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Tech giants come together to demand NSA surveillance transparency

By Jos ¬∑ 11 replies
Jul 19, 2013
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  1. Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook have come together along with several other major technology firms and civil liberty groups to demand a deeper level of transparency surrounding U.S. National Security Agency surveillance activity.

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  2. IvanAwfulitch

    IvanAwfulitch TS Booster Posts: 218   +11

    Hooray! The cat's out of the bag! Now the entire country knows undeniably that Google, Apple, Facebook, and MS are spying on their customers! Let's all call for 'transparency' to save face!
    learninmypc and coppersloane like this.
  3. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 923   +491

    You must be quite ignorant to think that the government hasn't been using US company info to spy on its citizens for quite some time now -_-
  4. IvanAwfulitch

    IvanAwfulitch TS Booster Posts: 218   +11

    You didn't even read my post, did you. I have no illusions about this. The key word here was "undeniably", as in they have no plausible deniability to rely on anymore after what Snowden did. My entire post reeks of sarcasm, but I guess you didn't get that.
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  5. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,409   +3,422

    Give a kid some candy to stop them from crying.

    The tech industry was fine with the way things were. And now they are looking for a way to silence the crowd, without actually fixing the issue.

    More transparency, BS! Full transparency or continue to hear us *****. Send notifications to anyone that is in suspicion and under surveillance. The idea is to prevent crime, not wait for it to happen. Who knows your snooping and letting people know you are snooping may actually minimize crime. Allowing people to continue thinking they are not being watched is one step in allowing the incident to happen. I'm not against surveillance, I'm against them secretly doing so.

    I remember years ago when Wallmart implemented surveillance and mounted black domes throughout the store. I often heard stories that not all of the domes had cameras. It didn't really matter though because if you saw a dome, you had suspicion there was a camera inside. Camera or not, I don't know about anyone else but I'm not gonna take the chance in view of a dome. From a criminal standpoint; would you jump in shark infested waters, if you thought it was safe or full of sharks.

    I'm almost willing to bet all this trash talk would go away, if they would just come forward and tell the people what it is they are doing. And then fess up to the resources they have at their disposal.
  6. Aside from the obvious constitutional violation, the spying is a service provided for the elite to make sure their sheeple keep in line. Any benefits big brother concedes is coincidental to the needs of the elite. YOU are the targets not the intended beneficiaries.
  7. coppersloane

    coppersloane TS Enthusiast Posts: 108   +33

    Precisely my thoughts. They didn't care when it was being done without our knowledge; why do they care now? To save face. Opportunistic wankers.
  8. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,875   +1,206

    The irony is of course, if the NSA makes public how they use all the data, then they won't have much use for it because criminals will work around the NSA guidelines.
  9. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,409   +3,422

    How is that irony when criminals are probably already doing so, because unlike us they already know all the facts?
  10. Rinzler

    Rinzler TS Rookie

    The US Gov't has always demanded access to ALL technology companies technologies PERIOD. The fact that this has become public lately doesn't mean they haven't all along.
  11. Lamont Briggs

    Lamont Briggs TS Rookie

    Good!!! Let's just hope it has an impact, and doesn't fall by the wayside. This is important, very, very important!
  12. IvanAwfulitch

    IvanAwfulitch TS Booster Posts: 218   +11

    I don't see how this helps. Just because we can now see what information they are taking doesn't mean they're going to stop taking the information. And on top of that, how do we know that they're going to make everything transparent? What's stopping them from only showing 1 of their 5 cards in their hand? Transparency in this instance doesn't mean jack s***. They're still going to spy, they're still not going to show you what info they're taking, and you're still going to have a useless Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    This isn't important at all. It's just a front to win the hearts of the people, and I hope and pray that it fails miserably.
    cliffordcooley likes this.

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