Tesla-hating pickup drivers are blocking charging stations, Model X owner shows they can...

p51d007

TS Evangelist
The parking spots should be labeled, if the city they are in, can pass some sort of ordinance that "any non bla bla bla vehicle may be towed if parked here" or similar. The EV charging stations around my city's city hall pretty much say that. No different than parking in a handicap spot. As long as their is a city ordinance against it, then tow them.
 

netman

TS Evangelist
What a perfect condition for the Tesla driver to tow the truck, icy ground parking lot and an empty unloaded truck. Try that with a fully loaded truck in summer time, your Tesla rear wheels would spin getting you nowhere!!
 
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cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
your Tesla rear wheels would spin getting you nowhere!!
Are they not four wheel drive?


I don't need regulations to tell me the parking spot has been designated for electric charging.. We as a society have so little common sense. That we need regulations to control our lives. Anyone that parks their ICE vehicle in front of an electric charging station needs to wear a dum-bass stick for everyone to see.
 

quadibloc

TS Addict
Usually, cars parked illegally on private property can be towed away to impound lots. All that's needed is signage in most jurisdictions. If this happens a few times, this kind of behavior will no doubt be quickly curtailed.
 

GeforcerFX

TS Evangelist
Yes people are responsible for their own actions, but these cars are being directly controlled by the companies who wrote the software. It is not the customer that caused the wreck/fatality - it is a direct failure of the hardware/software, bad design. If a person is driving/controlling their own car, yes it is on the person as it always has been.
No the car is still being directly controlled by the driver sitting in the seat behind the wheel. Who if was following the direction the company told them they would still be fully involved in the driving process and would be ready at a moments notice to take over if the car reached a point where it needed them to. Most of the crashes with tesla vehicles have been owner caused because they were not paying attention and they were not in a position to take over when the vehicle told them too. Will there failures on the vehicles, sure, every brand has suffered the same when trying something new engineering wise. But most of the issues are caused by drivers, not Tesla, or Honda or Toyota, or GM. Of all the things on the roads in the USA I consider a self driving Tesla to be pretty low on my threat list, the mom with 8 screaming kids in the mini van is still higher on it for me.
 

ShagnWagn

TS Evangelist
No the car is still being directly controlled by the driver sitting in the seat behind the wheel. Who if was following the direction the company told them they would still be fully involved in the driving process and would be ready at a moments notice to take over if the car reached a point where it needed them to. Most of the crashes with tesla vehicles have been owner caused because they were not paying attention and they were not in a position to take over when the vehicle told them too. Will there failures on the vehicles, sure, every brand has suffered the same when trying something new engineering wise. But most of the issues are caused by drivers, not Tesla, or Honda or Toyota, or GM. Of all the things on the roads in the USA I consider a self driving Tesla to be pretty low on my threat list, the mom with 8 screaming kids in the mini van is still higher on it for me.
So, you are telling me these systems are broken because someone still has to keep themselves and others from being killed. If this were the case, then none of these needless deaths would have happened? So, what is the point of spending these billions of dollars?

I'm sorry, but "self-driving" means I am not driving. I have no involvement nor should I need to. But we all know that hardware/software fails all the time. Just ask any mechanic. These things WILL fail, and will in the least opportune time. Just ask any mechanic on even just basic functions failing. Having to figure out a self-wrecking car's reason for failure? Egad!! It's already bad enough. If people don't even maintain their tires from being bald or blow out before replacement, do you think they are going to keep these working 100%? That is laughable.

You know as well as I do that people will become complacent anyway. A big portion of people want these cars so they can play on their phone instead of pay attention.
 
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senketsu

Could Tesla owners work around it by carrying appropriate extension cords?
one of the vehicles I operated was a Light Service Vehicle Wheeled (LSVW) like Canadian military vehicles it runs a 24v system. Meaning we can't get a boost off of a regular vehicle, so we carried cables around to be able to get/give a boost. Trust me, you don't want one of these in a passenger vehicle.
Given the amperage it must take to charge a Tesla I assume you'd require a similar size cable.
 
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cuerdc

TS Booster
Electric cars are good maybe no so practical for some but electric pedal bikes should be pushed more as your unable to legally ride one that's faster than 5mph or something...
 

cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
for some but electric pedal bikes should be pushed more as your unable to legally ride one that's faster than 5mph or something...
That depends on the roadway speed limit that requires a motorcycle license. If your bicycle is not capable of surpassing that speed a license is not needed. I just read Los Angeles requires a license to ride a bike period. I doubt that includes a motorized bicycle though.

https://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/17/yes-you-need-a-license-to-ride-a-bike-in-los-angeles/
 

bexwhitt

TS Evangelist
No the car is still being directly controlled by the driver sitting in the seat behind the wheel. Who if was following the direction the company told them they would still be fully involved in the driving process and would be ready at a moments notice to take over if the car reached a point where it needed them to. Most of the crashes with tesla vehicles have been owner caused because they were not paying attention and they were not in a position to take over when the vehicle told them too. Will there failures on the vehicles, sure, every brand has suffered the same when trying something new engineering wise. But most of the issues are caused by drivers, not Tesla, or Honda or Toyota, or GM. Of all the things on the roads in the USA I consider a self driving Tesla to be pretty low on my threat list, the mom with 8 screaming kids in the mini van is still higher on it for me.
So, you are telling me these systems are broken because someone still has to keep themselves and others from being killed. If this were the case, then none of these needless deaths would have happened? So, what is the point of spending these billions of dollars?

I'm sorry, but "self-driving" means I am not driving. I have no involvement nor should I need to. But we all know that hardware/software fails all the time. Just ask any mechanic. These things WILL fail, and will in the least opportune time. Just ask any mechanic on even just basic functions failing. Having to figure out a self-wrecking car's reason for failure? Egad!! It's already bad enough. If people don't even maintain their tires from being bald or blow out before replacement, do you think they are going to keep these working 100%? That is laughable.

You know as well as I do that people will become complacent anyway. A big portion of people want these cars so they can play on their phone instead of pay attention.
I want a self driving car because I hate driving and could do other stuff instead. They will enable the elderly so still be mobile and not have to rely on spotty public transport or expensive taxi's, how it that a bad thing?
 

ShagnWagn

TS Evangelist
I want a self driving car because I hate driving and could do other stuff instead. They will enable the elderly so still be mobile and not have to rely on spotty public transport or expensive taxi's, how it that a bad thing?
You hate freedom? That is odd. I hope you aren't one of those liberals out there trying to take away other people's freedoms. Beings that mentality means you are most likely young, I'm sure you know there are other companies besides a taxi to give you a ride? I also assume you have friends/family if needed.

How is it a bad thing? Because one of these things will still be on the road at the public's safety risk. How about we do a little test. We will put you in the passenger seat of one of these things. You are free to play on your little cell phone. We will put one of these driving around a sharp mountain road (away from anyone else) and simulate a sensor failure. Deal? At least by looking at your phone than the wonderful world around you, you won't see death coming.
 

cuerdc

TS Booster
That depends on the roadway speed limit that requires a motorcycle license. If your bicycle is not capable of surpassing that speed a license is not needed. I just read Los Angeles requires a license to ride a bike period. I doubt that includes a motorized bicycle though.

https://la.streetsblog.org/2008/09/17/yes-you-need-a-license-to-ride-a-bike-in-los-angeles/
I'm in uk....(eu rules for now) and not allowed to be powered over 15.5mph or exceed 250watts, if so need all licence, tax, insurance, registered and helmet which don't think is possible because no one will insure one...
 

bexwhitt

TS Evangelist
You hate freedom? That is odd. I hope you aren't one of those liberals out there trying to take away other people's freedoms. Beings that mentality means you are most likely young, I'm sure you know there are other companies besides a taxi to give you a ride? I also assume you have friends/family if needed.

How is it a bad thing? Because one of these things will still be on the road at the public's safety risk. How about we do a little test. We will put you in the passenger seat of one of these things. You are free to play on your little cell phone. We will put one of these driving around a sharp mountain road (away from anyone else) and simulate a sensor failure. Deal? At least by looking at your phone than the wonderful world around you, you won't see death coming.
An awful lot of assuming going on there, if by freedom you mean to drive recklessly I'm all for curtailing that.
 

ShagnWagn

TS Evangelist
An awful lot of assuming going on there, if by freedom you mean to drive recklessly I'm all for curtailing that.
So you don't want to drive because you drive recklessly? Then see my advice to ride with others. Do others do it? Yes, especially in the last couple years it's been much worse. They ride within inches of bumpers at 70+ mph. They get a lesson if they do this to me. I back off if I see people doing it to others because I don't want to be involved in a pile-up. People need to drive like there is a police car behind them. Unfortunately, police do not follow the rules of the road either. They follow too close, switch lanes during a turn, and fly by people on the highway at night doing 120+ mph with no lights on. Lead by example.
 

cliffordcooley

TS Redneck
There is a fine line between driving wreck-less and defensive. You will get your a$$ run over if you are not walking (sorry lets keep the pun: riding) that line.
 

captaincranky

TechSpot Addict
Oh well, now that Tesla has taken the low capacity battery option out of their cars, offering only the high capacity unit, the owners will be better equipped to drive on to another charging station, which hopefully, won't be blocked.

And who said, "no good can come from a $20,000 price increase"? :rolleyes:
 

bexwhitt

TS Evangelist
So you don't want to drive because you drive recklessly? Then see my advice to ride with others. Do others do it? Yes, especially in the last couple years it's been much worse. They ride within inches of bumpers at 70+ mph. They get a lesson if they do this to me. I back off if I see people doing it to others because I don't want to be involved in a pile-up. People need to drive like there is a police car behind them. Unfortunately, police do not follow the rules of the road either. They follow too close, switch lanes during a turn, and fly by people on the highway at night doing 120+ mph with no lights on. Lead by example.
I want to get places without depending on people and if I didn't have to drive that's fine with me, why the defensive nonsense? Driverless cars are coming, even now they are safer than people driving and I expect 50 years from now you will have to go through serious hoops to have full control of the car if that's at all possible.
 

ShagnWagn

TS Evangelist
I want to get places without depending on people and if I didn't have to drive that's fine with me, why the defensive nonsense? Driverless cars are coming, even now they are safer than people driving and I expect 50 years from now you will have to go through serious hoops to have full control of the car if that's at all possible.
Please explain "safer". You are referring to total accidents over a few million miles over several years of these compared to the trillions of human miles every day? Multiply the accidents and fatalities of these things to total miles of humans. You are going to go into shock. Also, you need to multiply the accidents and fatalities because these cars do NOT drive in real world situations such as weather and natural obstacles. You are trying a laughable comparison. I'm sorry, but it will be a very long time, if ever. They are on the road now, in perfect scenarios, because enough palms have been greased. Why am I defensive? Because I care about the people around me. Don't you? I am a mechanic at home and an IT professional for over 25 years. I know how often hardware and software fails. The term "software crash" has a whole new meaning for these things. "Blue screen of death", as we've seen numerous times already. Those people would still be alive if these weren't put in public at our safety risk. I don't see why none of this sinks in to you people. If you only knew. All in the name of "technology" as I see it - damn the people. :( Liberals are the ones who try to take away everyone else's freedoms. That is a bleak future you wish.
 

kingpoon

TS Rookie
Kinda fake.... Silverado blocked maybe 4 of 9 charging stations (vide 2:44 in clip).

Aside, towing works better if you wet the pavement and is not good on gravel.

Better to pass a proper local statute and do it legally.
fake how? he literally said in the video that it was his sister's truck. he wasn't pretending to be towing some random pickup.