The complete list of alternatives to all Google products

cliffordcooley

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Google never has been the goto place for my applications. So comparing applications to Google products is difficult to understand for me.
 

dangh

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Qwant is as well indexing pages by itself, not using metasearch.

DuckDuckGo - I'd be very cautious with it as it is based in US and therefore any US law have to be implemented there so you never know which country will be banned, or what backdoor implemented.
 

Alexmx

Posts: 45   +25
I object less to the tracking and ads than I do to the ideologically manipulated nature of the search results. I welcome alternate viewpoints.

This goes also for me. With how tailor made are my results, I know that sooner or later I would end in an echo chamber that wouldn't allow me to be open to other viewpoints.

Also, since google decided that they would remove adblockers from Chrome, I switched to another broswer along with search engine.
 

Yynxs

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So why am I trying to avoid Google again? I enjoy my free Google services and understand what there using my data for and it doesn't bother me.
Oddly, the same things are said by real slaves today as well as, pre-Civil War. Some people just prefer eating to freedom. Some don't, hence, New Hampshire's motto.
 

Yynxs

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Yeah, good luck with the whole securing your privacy on the internet thing. After you "get rid of" Google (lol), you'll need to do the same with MS, Apple, Facebook, Instagram, your cell provider, your ISP, your government, and several hundred others.
I have. My family and the techs I know feel it is ridiculous too. However: I don't get updates unless I look. **** doesn't break at random. I like random adverts because there's stuff out there that is just interesting. VMalware may get in but it can't get out again. The list of positive activity when all the web is blocked far exceeds the limitations.
 

Yynxs

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I hear so much complaining about Google and how much money they're making... But all the services I use and information I get from Google is FREE to the public! I understand what Google does with information... AND I really don't care! All the power to them! I have nothing to hide! I wish I had had the use of Google and YouTube when I was young and going to school! Why do so many people whine about such a good and free information source? Could it maybe be because they're just envious or bored or they simply just like repeating other people's whining complaints? I'm 67 and I've learned so much via Google and YouTube. If you're a person that likes to learn things Google and YouTube are invaluable! So what if they earn money for their services??? So what if they know what you're interested in??? What do all you whiners have to hide?
If you learned via Google and web searching you may have had a poor educational experience and training. Google was useful in the beginning because it made remembering what I read earlier, sometimes scores of years earlier, easier to locate. Google did not and does not increase an education. Google makes it easier for the uneducated to say "I knew that. I found it on Google". Knowing something exists does not indicate interpolation, integration, synthesis, and creation of new knowledge. Those require an education.
If you see advertising for tech products, which Google will give you, that does not in anyway provide the insight that Techspot adds when reviewing or commenting on the tech product.
Techspot is like that really great teacher that tells you what ELSE something means besides what you see and Google is like a fast Dewey Decimal Card catalog. Yeah, there's a subject there, but reading the title and knowing where it is on the shelf doesn't read the book.
I'm 71. And yes that was deliberate ego stroking for people that can research and provide this type of article. Good work.
BTW. "Nothing to hide" does not mean nothing to keep private. Read the articles on listening to your home conversations and your bedroom noises and bathroom noises by "voice assistants". Those 'assistants' are just the end of a long line of intrusions designed for people who feel other people won't pay attention. You're younger than me, but you're getting old. This article https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-10-ags-cocare-aga-seminal-delirium.html is about helping and preventing delirium (a pleasure to look forward too if you think about it). Done by people who actively think they're doing good for you. The question will come for you sometime by someone as to whether delirium applies to you. Feel free to share everything with Google, so when Google is asked by a duly assembled court, whether your mental faculties have declined, Google can give a fully and algorithymically verified assessment of all your posts, emails, et al., over the years, to deprive you of your freedom to handle your own affairs. You have nothing to hide. They're just trying to help you.
 

Yynxs

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A person who has a condition on the schizophrenia spectrum may experience delusions and what is commonly known as paranoia.
These delusions may give rise to fears that others are plotting against the individual. Everyone can have a paranoid thought from time to time. On a rough day, we may find ourselves saying "Oh boy, the whole world is out to get me!" But we recognize that this is not the case.

People with paranoia often have an extensive network of paranoid thoughts and ideas.

This can result in a disproportionate amount of time spent thinking up ways for the individual to protect themselves from their perceived persecutors. It can lead to problems in relationships and at work.
It can also get you hired to prevent network intrusions if you're savvy enough. The psychological view you espouse is based only on the presumption that there is no reason to be paranoid. Tell that to the company director selling space to ICE to house wannabe refugees from central america and China and Africa, who was threatened, along with his wife and children, by a young protestor with a megaphone. Combine that with leaked memos from Google developers saying what they can do to 'target' the other side. After you tell him, you can explain the "...extensive network of paranoid thoughts..." concept.
 

Yynxs

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Yeah, or most people can just accept that they aren't nearly as important as they think they are.
It isn't the 'importance' that I care about. It's the fact that it is MY privacy being invaded. I didn't authorize it. I don't buy products from them or anyone who uses their hosting. I actively avoid (actively being a critical term) anything Google.

NSA and the government alphabets are less intrusive and have laws and oversights on them. Google, et al. do not.

The freedom to associate is built in to the Constitution for a reason. BY IT'S NATURE, Google violates that. I'm not asking permission for them to not track me. They shouldn't be doing it in the first place without my express in writing on a piece of paper permission. In any decent country, they would be regulated and inspected by the government or kicked out of the country. Europe learned this and is doing something. I'm looking to make the same things happen in the US.
 

hk2000

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It isn't the 'importance' that I care about. It's the fact that it is MY privacy being invaded. I didn't authorize it. I don't buy products from them or anyone who uses their hosting. I actively avoid (actively being a critical term) anything Google.

NSA and the government alphabets are less intrusive and have laws and oversights on them. Google, et al. do not.

The freedom to associate is built in to the Constitution for a reason. BY IT'S NATURE, Google violates that. I'm not asking permission for them to not track me. They shouldn't be doing it in the first place without my express in writing on a piece of paper permission. In any decent country, they would be regulated and inspected by the government or kicked out of the country. Europe learned this and is doing something. I'm looking to make the same things happen in the US.
I mean, in a way, I agree, but Google provides a service that is absolutely free to the consumer and the consumer certainly has a right not to use it, but cosidering what most normal people do on the internet, it's really a small price to pay, with them being upfront about it and giving the person a chance to request they don't do it. Let me ask you this: If a product maker gave it for free only asking in return that people submit their basic personal information, would people take it? Don't you think the majority of people would jump on it? Where do you think the idea of sweepstakes came from? I bet you 90% of the population would take part in a sweepstakes if they're absolutely guaranteed to win, and they'll submit their personal information willingly in the process!!!
 

Yynxs

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I mean, in a way, I agree, but Google provides a service that is absolutely free to the consumer and the consumer certainly has a right not to use it, but cosidering what most normal people do on the internet, it's really a small price to pay, with them being upfront about it and giving the person a chance to request they don't do it. Let me ask you this: If a product maker gave it for free only asking in return that people submit their basic personal information, would people take it? Don't you think the majority of people would jump on it? Where do you think the idea of sweepstakes came from? I bet you 90% of the population would take part in a sweepstakes if they're absolutely guaranteed to win, and they'll submit their personal information willingly in the process!!!
Then you would bet wrongly and lose. What Google offers is not a sweepstakes with a large cash prize and thus a large privacy sacrifice required (you might look into Lottery winning for people struggling with that situation and why they're advised to get a financial advisor before collecting the winnings). What Google offers is small computing processes for an irrecoverable resource. Once collected, like virginity, you can never get your privacy back. Google, et al, and their henchmen are selling it and passing it back and forth. Your privacy is a capitalized value of the company and every company they sold it to. Google got wise to this a while back and now only directly sells the advertisement access to the audience, but the damage was done when the data was and is collected. And Google didn't limit itself to collecting from it's own agreeable crowd, they also collected and shared from people their Google-Aid drinkers knew. Ripping off the neighbors and family used to be a pyramid or ponzi scheme methodology before Google.

Most of the population of the US did not understand the privacy they enjoyed because case law long since settled law enforcement getting access to the US mails. Federal law affected government activity with the telephone and standard law enforcement has procedures in place to spy on you if they thought it was required but still had to prove the need.

None of those protections applies to tech and Google, et al, ensure no major anti-tech decisions by including third-party decisions about conflicts being under arbiter instead of jury trial in their deliberately obtuse EULAs.

Google grew because no one wanted to look at them and lose the little 'luxury' items provided and never really understood what 'forever' meant. At least one full generation and a good start of another have been conditioned to expect everything to be free (take a look back at music hacking and artists being ripped off in the 90's and 00's as an example). Google also took a page from the Bible in providing 'free software and free training' (Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.) for web development and insuring familiarity so the largest proportion of web developers would be familiar with and their tools and fonts and analytics and scripts on their pages. (because who wants to go back to school to learn something entirely new while trying to make a living?)

No. I don't think anyone old enough to have half an understanding of the loss would give up their privacy for Google apps. This is aside from the current issues of people being attacked and losing their jobs for stupid crap they said as teenagers (you know when they weren't paranoid about the world). See also China's social credit system to see what's coming to you if they (the big 'they') are not stopped.
 
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