The DEA kept a huge database of people that purchased money counting machines

William Gayde

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Money counters aren't illegal and they are typically purchased by companies doing legitimate financial transactions. The DEA however worked under the assumption that if an individual wanted to purchase a machine, it was likely they were involved in money laundering or drug dealing. To try to catch these supposed criminals, the DEA issued wide ranging subpoenas to the manufacturers of such machines and collected the data in a database.

A publicly released report by the Office of the Inspector General outlines the DEA's use of such programs. Sections of the report are redacted, but a key section was mistakenly left uncensored. This inadvertent leak was first spotted by Twitter user Sarah St. Vincent.

The DEA hid this information from the courts and others because they believed "criminals would obtain money counters by other means if they knew that the DEA collected this data." The agents "were instructed to state in reports [...] that they received a lead from a source of information that indicated that the [suspect] may be involved in drug trafficking and money laundering."

In the report, all other mentions of "money counters" were supposed to be redacted but this paragraph was left in. The report goes on to describe field officers' complaints about how the program was generating too many false-positives to be a useful tool. The DEA later refined the program and was able to successfully make arrests and seize the illegal cash.

The program was never subject to scrutiny by the courts because the DEA hid it from them. When the DEA wanted to act on a lead generated by the program, they would use Parallel Construction. This is a technique of first obtaining the information you want using questionable tactics, and then requesting a targeted subpoena to re-obtain it legally.

The New York Times reached out to both the DEA and OIG but neither would comment.

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QuantumPhysics

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We'll jail and kill people supplying legal drugs because it's fun to keep brown people from getting wealthy.

MEANWHILE the "legal" drug companis continue to get Americans hooked on "legal" drugs until they eventually overdose and die from them.

The bodies are literally piling up like pink raw chicken.

Marijuana overdoses? 0

Legal drugs = hundreds of thousands.
 

Eldritch

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Strange how neither the DEA (nor any other government agency) ever bothered to check how Big Pharma has been bribing doctors into prescribing millions of opioid prescriptions!!

But a money counting machine...now that's a big problem!!
Well, the move is obviously aimed at illegal ciminal enterprises not the government sanctioned criminal enterprises.
How $0.5 medicine is sold for $500 (1000x price!) and how hospitals charge upward of $5k for a simple injury and $16000 + for an average c-section is beyond comprehension.
But hey, lets fight and be divided about useless issues like Rep vs Demo, forgetting completely that they are both complicit in this crime.
OMG, Trump said that!!! Polosi said this!!! Muller said that!!!!
 
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Knot Schure

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We'll jail and kill people supplying legal drugs because it's fun to keep brown people from getting wealthy.

MEANWHILE the "legal" drug companis continue to get Americans hooked on "legal" drugs until they eventually overdose and die from them.

The bodies are literally piling up like pink raw chicken.

Marijuana overdoses? 0

Legal drugs = hundreds of thousands.
I don't even think that is the main point here - the subject at issue IS... the government caught breaking the law again, and nobody sees the inside of a jail cell.

Time to completely re-write the law.
 

FPSChris

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Similar thing in the UK but with things that can pickup a TV signal.
Go to shop, buy TV, few weeks later you get a snotty letter saying you don't have a TV license if it's not your name on the license. They continue to badger you.
It's not just things like money counting machines - Phones, radios, chemicals, paypal transactions will all be noted on some higher ups database.
1984.
 

Uncle Al

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I remember hearing about the government being ordered to halt this program but just how many private owners outside of betting facilities, drug dealers, and money exchange agents can afford one of those machines? Back then one would run darn near $15,000 each, I'm sure they are significantly higher now .....
 

QuantumPhysics

Posts: 3,283   +3,091
We'll jail and kill people supplying legal drugs because it's fun to keep brown people from getting wealthy.

MEANWHILE the "legal" drug companis continue to get Americans hooked on "legal" drugs until they eventually overdose and die from them.

The bodies are literally piling up like pink raw chicken.

Marijuana overdoses? 0

Legal drugs = hundreds of thousands.
I don't even think that is the main point here - the subject at issue IS... the government caught breaking the law again, and nobody sees the inside of a jail cell.

Time to completely re-write the law.

After watching the current president, I think it's obvious that those in government have no respect whatsoever for the law. Whether I point to the corruption before him or the corruption he's added.
 

dogofwars

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We'll jail and kill people supplying legal drugs because it's fun to keep brown people from getting wealthy.

MEANWHILE the "legal" drug companis continue to get Americans hooked on "legal" drugs until they eventually overdose and die from them.

The bodies are literally piling up like pink raw chicken.

Marijuana overdoses? 0

Legal drugs = hundreds of thousands.
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