The Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid, Vega 64 & Vega 56 Test: 32 Games Benchmarked
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Burty117
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I guess this is partially to blame:
I wonder if it's got any overclocking ability at all to be honest...
Just like Nvidia fans thought GTX970 was future proof? After that, they realized Nvidia and future proof don't belong on same sentence
Personally I think future proof is a dirty word when talking about GPUs in general so I never thought that for a second about the 970 or any card, but in fairness we're 3 years on and it's still holding its own, usually being the baseline for recommended specs or just under.
GreenNova343
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It might not, at least in the reference models. They made a note in the original Vega 56 review that they don't use nVidia's Founder's Edition GPUs anymore (just a fancy name for the reference models) because their cooling options aren't as good as the partner cards are, & they specifically mentioned how the MSI GTX 1070 they compared it with came with a factory overclock.
My suspicion is that we'll have to wait for a) someone to remove the reference card cooling system & attach their own custom cooling solution, or b) the partners to release their own versions (including factory overclocked figures) before we'll see how much Vega can be OC'd.
AMD worshippers are like cheetos jesus (trump worshippers) or any other religious zealots ISIS included. Nothing like being poorly educated, even when real life experience proves them wrong, they will still swear up and down about holding true to their faith because the future will go their way at some point, and it wouldn't matter if everyone including them is long dead by then. The only thing that is truly future proof is death, no one escapes that.
The whole notion of future proof is complete utter nonsense. It is just marketing malarkey. It makes for great FUD and works good as a delaying action, trying to stall people from buying your competitors products. What works much better however is buying the best-bang-for-the-buck. Because the money you save now allows you the option to switch over later, it is about balance. Just like diversification in investing, and not overcommitting all your money, like putting all your eggs in one basket wishing for a miracle.
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Way to lie about AMD release notes. It is not 18% accross the board like the way your want to misrepresent it. Here, the Extreme cherry picking trophy for you. It is not like google does not exist see the whole thing please:
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-art...mson-ReLive-Edition-17.8.2-Release-Notes.aspx
It is for "PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS™ Early Access" see:
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PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS™ Early Access
Up to 18% performance improvement measured on Radeon RX Vega 64 graphics when compared to Radeon Software Crimson ReLive edition 17.8.1(2)
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Who the heck cares about "PLAYERUNKNOWN'S BATTLEGROUNDS™ Early Access"? What the heck is that? Another AMD sponsored benchmark or something?
Do you know DayZ? Well, that's like "DayZ 2". Crappy game that small but noisy group of people consider best ever.
Guillermo Belli
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Nice article. Good to see follow ups of recent products.
Is it possible to evaluate power/performance of Vega 56 using the different included power profiles?
At launch I read and article stating that the Vega 64 gained just around 8% faster but consumed over 100W more going from "power saving" to "turbo". Power consumption was fairly close between "balanced" and "turbo", so "power saving" did keep power and best at bay without giving up too much performance.
I'd like to see something similar for Vega 56.
Is it possible to evaluate power/performance of Vega 56 using the different included power profiles?
At launch I read and article stating that the Vega 64 gained just around 8% faster but consumed over 100W more going from "power saving" to "turbo". Power consumption was fairly close between "balanced" and "turbo", so "power saving" did keep power and best at bay without giving up too much performance.
I'd like to see something similar for Vega 56.
To each their own. AMD was able to get it 18% improvement probably because it was doing terribly to start with. Even with 18% improvement for the Vega64, who know how far behind the Vega 64 is relative to other GPUs.
And for someone to put out 18% improvement as if it is across the board and not just for one game, it is deliberately misleading.
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Fobus
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Oh my God, is that all you were pissed about? That a person talking about a RX Vega GPU in an article about RX Vega GPU was not precise enough or forgot to write two letters RX??
How many people even know or care about compute? When people say Vega, they primarily mean gaming...
AMD's marketing right now is all about bait-and-switch. Ryzen and Vega neither or which can claim absolute, unqualified wins, across the board for gaming, so they always switch the subject and now it is about the "compute" market....
Really AMD. Who but the "poorly educated" would fall for tactic that blatant and that obvious. How about AMD deliver real value. This AMD can do by themselves today, by lowering their prices. You don't need to win the performance crown to have a competitive product, if you can price the darn thing a with real substantial price advantage. How about beating Intel and nVidia by $100 or 50% lower prices, like back in the days withe AthlonXP (barton, t-bird, thoroughbred) when they earned lots of goodwill from a wide range of buyers, gamers, and consumers?
trajan2050
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We have a much less exciting comparison to make with the air-cooled Vega 64 model -- what a stinker. Overall it was 5% slower than the GTX 1080 Founder Edition and of course it runs much hotter, louder and burns more power than a Skylake-X processor on steroids. Not much else needs to be said here. The reference card just isn't cutting it.
As most Pascal are custom cooled oc cards, this makes Vega Already pushing it's limits , less attractive.
As most Pascal are custom cooled oc cards, this makes Vega Already pushing it's limits , less attractive.
RealNeil
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So if I have one PC with a pair of 1080FE cards in SLI, and one PC with a pair of Gigabyte 1070 Gaming G1 cards in SLI, and One PC with three 980Ti cards in SLI, I don't need Vega. (right?)
I did buy into Ryzen and will probably get a ThreadRipper box too. AMD still needs to work on their GPU offerings, But they are really back when it comes to CPUs.
I did buy into Ryzen and will probably get a ThreadRipper box too. AMD still needs to work on their GPU offerings, But they are really back when it comes to CPUs.
amstech
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Sometimes I think Steve does these comparisons just so the Techspot staff can decipher who is the best at hiding their inner, raging fanboy. The chosen winner/poster should then get a Loot Crate of the opposing brands products, complete with a signed GPU by Steve, T-shirt and coffee mug that states 'Don't Be A B!tch, Bro'.
NightAntilli
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I'd love to see the Ryzen 7 results. I think in some cases Ryzen will have superior performance to the 7700k, particularly on Vega. It clearly has more CPU bottleneck issues than nVidia cards.
Someone is trying hard to win that "loot crate". Really "more CPU bottleneck issues than nVidia cards"? Really? Conspiracy much. See Techspot's very own:
https://www.techspot.com/article/1374-amd-ryzen-with-amd-gpu/
GreenNova343
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Page 5 of this review...
NightAntilli
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What "loot crate" are you talking about?
Thank you for proving me right though...(y) The fact that at 720p the RX 480 performs much worse than the GTX 1060 with a 1800X in certain games confirms that AMD has more CPU bottleneck issues compared to nVidia;
Secondly, I said some cases. Particularly the ones where additional threads can help against the minimum framerate. Since AMD cards require more single thread CPU power (particularly under DX11), the 1% lows will be lower, thus, if the game is programmed to be more multi-threaded, the additional Ryzen cores compared to the 7700k can help. Obviously the likes of GTA V will not change for the better, but there are a few that will.
Sum Guy
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Adhmuz
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Nor was it mine.
The statement that Vega is a failure is pretty accurate when I look at the article at hand, especially from the perspective that AMD is 18 months late to market with a competing product and it barely does that whilst also consuming more power. Sorry but this to me (and a lot of other people reading this review) = failure. This is our opinion and if you want to argue that, good luck, it won't change our collective minds.
Okay, hold your horses there, YOU have not gone and provided proof to the contrary, sadly to say much like other AMD fanboys, you simply make statements and expect people to believe you without any facts to back them up. On top of that you than get upset that nobody wants to believe you and that makes us all nVidia fanboys? Now THAT is some fine logic right there.
Oh and if you're expecting an apology for such a stupid semantic problem you must be out of your god damn mind and should just get right off the internet as fast as possible. Take an axe and cut all the data lines entering your residence, it's the only way you'll sleep at night.
Sum Guy
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I was an AMD fan boy until this. I ordered a 1080ti today for less than a Vega. I have been holding out for vega all this time. I have been an amd fan since the HD4890. My last card was the fury. I have never had an Nvidia card before. I wonder how many more of us just got converted from this massive betrayal. I just hope the grass is truly greener.
What is it with people about being right all the time? Really right about what?
You are entitled to think you are right in any case or every case you like. But facts are facts. From the chart with the GTX1060 and RX480 I do NOT see Ryzen scoring better or being superior in any scenario.
Well I doubt you nor AMD can dictate to game developers how they choose to code and which platforms they select to optimize for. How about AMD just deliver better single core performance to start with, and NOT conduct bait-and-switch marketing tactics with the gamers and endusers alike? The current generation of Ryzen has been shown to gimp GTX1080ti and in all likelihood do no better with Vega.
Waiting for game developers to re-code their existing games and get those optimizations out could be a long time in waiting. Why doesn't AMD take a 20% deposit now and get the rest later, like 2 years later, when those optimizations for "moar cores" or updates for vega arrive later. And since they can't deliver that performance, how about they lower their prices so the gamers and endusers are not the ones to bear the risk.
The truth of the matter is that, grass is only greener for a little while until the next gen or two, regardless which side you are on, Intel, AMD, nVidia etc.. Sometimes that might take awhile, because AMD has been know to be out in the weeds for possibly a decade so, the last competitive CPU for AMD was the the socket 939 Athlon generation circa 2003-2007. But I can tell you that you are greener, because you got to keep more of your green in your wallet, and over time from less power consumption and lower power bill.
hahahanoobs
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AMD should just focus on CPU's. They should completely give up on graphics.
They used HBM, because they said GDDR5 was "power hungry."
Even with HBM, they still needed water to stop throttling.
The power consumption is atrocious, and has been for years.
Overclocking Radeon flagships is a joke.
Everyone is going to say, "but, but AMD cards are cheaper." Yea, well AMD can't survive doing that anymore. If you want AMD to stick around, then you want someone that knows what they are doing over there and Raja is not that guy. I don't know who is, but it's not him.
They used HBM, because they said GDDR5 was "power hungry."
Even with HBM, they still needed water to stop throttling.
The power consumption is atrocious, and has been for years.
Overclocking Radeon flagships is a joke.
Everyone is going to say, "but, but AMD cards are cheaper." Yea, well AMD can't survive doing that anymore. If you want AMD to stick around, then you want someone that knows what they are doing over there and Raja is not that guy. I don't know who is, but it's not him.
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