Trump calls for an end to the Chips Act, redirecting funds to national debt

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- How do companies like TSMC stand to gain anything from domestic production? US workers cost a lot and expect cushier working conditions than Taiwanese workers.

Slap a tariffs on goods and... and what? Where else is anyone going to shop for bleeding edge chips?

TSMC has all the power in this situation. They did the US Govt a favor by taking a pittance in seed money and then building two cutting edge fabs in the US that are likely never going to be economically viable, just so the US has a domestic supply of cutting edge semi-conductors for NatSec purposes. There was undoubtedly a lot of back room smiley gladhanding with the US pinky promising that we have Taiwan's back in the event China gets uppity.

CHIPs was undoubtedly a shadow bailout for Intel, the one semi-competitive domestic fab company, but then we subsidize all kinds of stuff that is critical for national security and stability like farm subsidies (which is less and less little guy with overalls working his 40 acres and more and more massive aggra ops).

And at the end of the day it cost $50 billion dollars, which is basically nothing when the budget appropriates trillions.
The US government might be aware that relying on overseas production with Taiwan exposes the country to risks and while it may not be economically ideal for TSMC to set up shop in the US as you pointed out, US workers cost a lot and expect cushier working conditions than taiwanese workers, they may have seen it as a necessary move to secure a long term advantage and ensure they’re on the right side of political interests.

As for the economic viability of these fabs, you’re right that they might not be profitable in the short term, but in the greater scheme, companies like TSMC might not necessarily be focusing purely on the bottom line. The US incentives likely made it a more viable decision for them to invest in these facilities, and theres always the possibility that TSMC could leverage these fabs for further r&d, partnerships with US companies, and some market dominance.

The chips act could be seen as a form of subsidy not just for Intel, but for the broader ecosystem. Yes, there are aspects of it that might look like a bailout for domestic companies, (it isnt like the government hasnt bailed out big companies before..like Banks, GM, Chrysler, etc) but there’s also the bigger goal of bolstering US production capacity for critical technologies. This is something that a lot of other countries have been doing for years, so it's not surprising the US is finally jumping on the bandwagon.

And you’re right about the costs being "nothing" in the grand scheme of the federal budget. For a trillion dollar budget, $50 billion is just a drop in the bucket. But when it comes to national security and securing future technological dominance, that drop might be more valuable than we think.

In the end, while TSMC may have all the power in this specific situation, they’re also positioning themselves in a way that aligns with both the US and their own long term strategy.
 
I just don't think it's possible to explain to someone so dumb why moving chip foundries is so complex that it might look like they're doing nothing simply because it will be close to a decade before they're even just kinda done moving some of the volume out of Taiwan.

You know, kind of like nobody has been able to explain to him why a trade deficit is not a bad thing if you actually look at the end goods you're importing vs what you're exporting: He only sees 'Negative number? Not in 'Merica Mother*!*@#S' no matter how much anyone tries to explain with apples and oranges why even though you spend more than other countries you're still overwhelmingly more wealthy than them already.
 
At this point, it feels like he’s doing whatever it takes to drag America to its lowest point.

His actions and decision-making resemble those of a reckless 6-year-old, egged on by a "bully buddy" Elmo of DOGE nonsense.

It’s only Month 3, and we still have four more years of this unbuilding of America. I can’t even imagine what the global situation will look like in 2028.
 
If lowering the national debt (ND) is the goal -- which I believe is imperative, since in 2024 the interest paid on the ND was about a Trillion (a thousand Billion) dollars! -- it seems the obvious is not being forced upon Trump: Kill the current tax cut for 2025 and instead use the money to help pay down the national debt. In my opinion, this is the smart move that should be pursued.
 
At this point, it feels like he’s doing whatever it takes to drag America to its lowest point.

His actions and decision-making resemble those of a reckless 6-year-old, egged on by a "bully buddy" Elmo of DOGE nonsense.

It’s only Month 3, and we still have four more years of this unbuilding of America. I can’t even imagine what the global situation will look like in 2028.
I get where you're coming from, but I think it's important to remember that not everything Trump has done has been as disastrous as it may seem. There’s been a lot of focus on his more controversial decisions, but he also made some showing in strengthening the economy, improving job numbers, and pushing for policies that prioritized American interests.

While his style and approach can be concerning for some, many believe his leadership brought positive change, and the rest are hoping for more of that moving forward. The global situation is definitely complex and a big concern, but I think it’s worth considering that sometimes unconventional leadership can shake things up for the better.

Like so few, I am willing to see how things play out in the years ahead.
 
Great insight, but I believe you have an misunderstanding.

Americans do not want to neutralize the swamp, they want it drained and removed, so that no POLITICAN EVER, can use America's money for their own ideology or purpose, it has to be for Americans and in American's interests. (again, not for their own personal bank for pet foreign project grifting, that reciprocates into THEMSELVE's getting reelected through illegals contributions, etc.)

DOGE is opening up the Government's books and we American's are seeing what these people have been doing with our money and it's absurd.

I'll post the President's own words here for posterity it insanity..!

"Thank you, Elon. You're working really hard. He didn't need this. Everybody appreciates it. Even this side appreciates it. Just listen to some of the appalling waste we have already identified."
-$22 billion for housing & cars for illegal aliens
-$45 million for DEI scholarships in Burma
-$40 million for inclusion of sedentary migrants
-$8 million to promote LGBTQ+ in Lesotho
-$60 million for Afro-Colombian empowerment
-$8 million for making mice transgender
-$32 million for left-wing propaganda in Moldova
-$10 million for male circumcision in Mozambique
-$20 million for Arab Sesame Street
-$1.9 billion for Stacey Abrams & decarbonization
-$3.5 million for lavish fish monitoring
-$1.5 million for voter confidence in Liberia
-$14 million for social cohesion in Mali
-$59 million for illegal alien hotel rooms
-$250 thousand for vegan climate action in Zambia
-$42 million for social change in Uganda
-$14 million for public procurement in Serbia
-$47 million for learning outcomes in Asia
-$101 million for DEI at the Department of Education

"By slashing all the fraud, waste, and theft, we can defeat inflation, bring down mortgage rates, lower car payments and grocery prices, protect our seniors, and put more money in the pockets of American families."

Trump exposed^ what is/was going on within our Government, broadly to the American people the other night and so many of the corrupt Democrats just sat on their hands that night, knowing their Political careers are ovr.


Understand, We The People have election every 2 & 4 years in America and we elect new Representatives, Senators, Governors and President. The US Constitution is the powers that be.

Some of these Grifters have been in Politics for 40~50 years. Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, etc.. Joe Biden never had a normal job he nvr struggled with money, etc. His entire life has been grifting off American dime and making him & his family filthy rich.

Trump isn't a Politicians, that is why DC hates him... bcz he represent the American people, not the Globalist elites in DC.


Similarly, to Politicians whom are elected, United States has millions of non-elected Bureaucrats (ie "The Swamp") whos stench is everywhere in DC. But thanks to DOGE, the elite Aristocrats are being disinfected too.

Their tears are so lovely...
You want to talk about tears?
The piddly things that pissed you MAGA wind up toys off about Biden, while still now standing by your president, not to mention tRUMP, are the things complete suckers are made of.
America is the laughing stock of the world once again. Thanks to people like you.
 
TSMC currently manufactures the most advanced AI Chips on the planet. If Trump moves forward with his plan, it will cripple USA ability to stay dominant in AI Technology . If China reclaims Taiwan, we lose TSMC. Is Trump retarded ?
 
Tariffs won't cause chip manufacturers to move their fabs to the U.S. Tariffs come and go on a whim, especially under the current administration, and no one is willing to spend hundreds of billions over a decade with such uncertainty.

Companies prefer benefits that are written in stone (I.e. laws). Those can come in the form of tax benefits or direct subsidies.

If you don't want the government to subsidize chip fabs (and tariffs ARE subsidies) then get ready for the fallout when China seizes control of Taiwan and TSMC.

OUCH! That didn't age well chicken little!

 
In the United States: Federal Employees are paid by the Tax Payers.
These Tax Payers who pay these Federal Employee salaries are the same people who work 60 hours a week in factories in detroit, or the steel workers in pennsylvania who work 84 hours/week, or the Garbage Collectors who are outside in 0* weather picking up trash, or the Truck drivers, or Teachers, or Engineers, or the Farmers, or Ranchers, etc...
Believing a small group of billionaires are suddenly working tirelessly for the benefit of the working class requires a spectacular level of stupidity.
 
TSMC currently manufactures the most advanced AI Chips on the planet. If Trump moves forward with his plan, it will cripple USA ability to stay dominant in AI Technology . If China reclaims Taiwan, we lose TSMC. Is Trump retarded ?
How is that?
TSMC wants to build fabs in the US. see BadThads post and link.

And China isnt taking Taiwan. You all really need to stop watching TV and drop down to reality.
An invasion would effect global supply chains, from automotive to electronics, as well as threaten world stability.

An invasion would likely lead to significant military conflict, with devastating human, economic, and geopolitical costs. The global response would be critical, with the U.S. and its allies intervening, which could trigger WW III.

China is not stupid. And that is not sarcasm, they know the entire world minus Russia would invade, and in case you havent noticed, Russia is stretched very thin. The only other outcome is a nuclear war, and that solves nothing.

Some of you act like the leaders of countries are unintelligent....they arent. Just because you dont agree doesnt mean your right.
 
A) Who assumed that?
B) Austrian Economics better explains the economic outcomes globally. By a wide margin. I prefer predictions that are usually right than those that are often wrong. The only reason it hasn't gained much traction is that it shows that government is a drag on the economy and therefore should be kept as small as possible. But guess who employs most economists? Governments and organizations getting money from governments.
Economists on both sides of the aisle in the US, whether they are employed by the government or not, seem to agree that simply firing government employees will make things worse.

Time will tell.
 
Please stop being obtuse, as none of those were getting millions from a secret goverment account, that was uncovered by DOGE.
Sorry. I know it must be difficult for you to actually think for yourself.
Ironically, what Brietbart, News Nation, Truth Social and others found out... that Joe Biden (& under Obama) they were unconstitutionally using Government agencies to SILENCE conservative publication like those.

There is no equivalency.
I guess you haven't been following Truth Social, then because there's this - that Trump, himself, posted there https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...llegal-protests-without-specifics/ar-AA1AkKis
No equivalency??? Got it, especially when his post appears to be in direct contradiction to the 1st amendment rights of those who he is threatening.

I guess Trump wants to repeat Kent State.
You have been on the loosing end of every statement you have commented on, except this:
According to you. That's an interesting trend, IMO, that righties assume they must be right because they said something that appeals to the emotions of others rather than reason.

Its unfortunate that for what most of the righties say, there's no proof. And here's an example of a rightie dolt making a statement for which there is no proof. https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...anada-has-been-taken-over-by-mexican-cartels/

In point of fact, if you dare to drill baby drill to the truth in the matter, Canada has barely any trafficking problem of Fentanyl to the US. I'll leave that for you to verify as an exercise, and say that for any proof you come up with "Because I say so" does not count.

But Trump says Canada is allowing Fentanyl to come through to the US and, by God, it must be Truth. :rolleyes:
Yes, Donald J. Trump is right, that Social Security HELPS people who deserve it. I've been paying into Social Security (it comes right out of your paycheck each week) for nearly 40 years... how long for you?
As if paying into it has anything to do with the problem.

Congress can solve the problem, but has chosen to kick the can further, and further down the road, and thus Social Security's problems persist.

And how long have I been paying in to it?? As if that somehow scores a point for either of us? I'll just say longer than you have.
 
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