Trump fires cybersecurity director for calling election "most secure in American history"

[m4a4]

Looks like yet another political dumpster fire on TS.

Surprised commenting is not locked yet...

 

[sac39507]

Good job Trump. Fraud deniers are just suffering from Trump derangement Syndrome.

 

[candle_86]

US farmers has been accepting socialist hand outs from the US government for the last 40 yrs. If it wasn't for subsidies 99% of farmers would have failed a long time ago. So why do t you get of your high horse.

Maybe you should do some research, the subsidies are becuase the government wanted to keep food costs down, farmers could do just fine if there wasn't a cap on the price of food goods, thats the government over reach maninpulating the market and dictating that farmers can't set prices that would pay their bills, so the government has to bail them out, because you want to buy canned beans for 78 cents, when in truth they should be costing you $4

 

[Shadowboxer]

You're right, something is fishy. One single very particular thing: Trump's claims of fraud.
What tampering? Beg the question much? Where do you get off in assuming that there was fraud? 50 bi-partisan state election committees disagree with you. Do you somehow know more than they do?

Or - are you just part of the internet echo chamber?

You seem to be very desperate to assert that there is no fraud. But how do you know? And there are now over 30 signed affidavits from poll workers admitting to fraudulent practises. Are they all making it up?

I look forward to your courts verdict, I will take their word. Not some desperate yahoo online.

 

[Arbie]

Good job Trump. Fraud deniers are just suffering from Trump derangement Syndrome.

Very clever! Now we can refer to "fraud deniers" - as if there is even fraud to deny.

Gotta admire the technique.

 

[Evernessince]

I mean anyone with a brain can see that there is something fishy going on somewhere. Who knows who did the tampering but claiming it was really secure was a bit of a dumb move.

Is that why over 10 lawsuits have already been dismissed by judges due to lack of evidence?

Hmm....

 

[Evernessince]

You seem to be very desperate to assert that there is no fraud. But how do you know? And there are now over 30 signed affidavits from poll workers admitting to fraudulent practises. Are they all making it up?

I look forward to your courts verdict, I will take their word. Not some desperate yahoo online.

You mean like the postal worker who rescinded his affidavit essentially admitting to lying. Or the other's made that show no signs of fraud?

https://www.freep.com/story/news/po...duct-do-not-show-widespread-fraud/6247949002/

Republicans like projection. Remember the 2016 election where trump complained about voter fraud and then won? Didn't see you guys complaining then. In fact I saw a lot of people making fun of their fellow Americans. Hillary was right, some people would prefer to play "sides" while the country burns.

Those who would see their country burn to sit atop a throne of asses will reap what's sowed come winter.

 

[Arbie]

And there are now over 30 signed affidavits from poll workers admitting to fraudulent practises. Are they all making it up? I look forward to your courts verdict, I will take their word. Not some desperate yahoo online.

As usual with your posts, you sadly overestimate your ability to play with words. And here underestimate your propensity for being gulled.

The whole point of the original story is that the Republican responsible for national cybersecurity has said that the elections were clean - at the cost of his job. If you still don't understand what that means, too bad, but you've got no business repeating conspiracy theories. Because you don't understand what doing that means either.

 

[pcnthuziast]

Luckily for me I never have to be in proximity with leftists other than online. In general humans suck, but leftists are as close to the aliens from 'They Live!' that I've ever seen. I don't actually care what happpens to America anymore, but under Democrat control 2021 is going to be way crazier than 2020. You people will of course still be blaming Trump long after he's gone. He's a buffoon no doubt, but the lesser of 2 evils by far. TS running articles like this has an agenda and I fully expect bans will start coming to users espousing anything even remotely right-wing, conservative or just anti leftist dogma.

 

[Arbie]

You people will of course still be blaming Trump long after he's gone.

Yup, for the damage he's done to our society and to our democratic processes. The leader of truth decay.

I fully expect bans will start coming to users espousing anything even remotely right-wing, conservative or just anti leftist dogma.

Nothing is likely to help you at this point, as you apparently don't even understand the terms you're using. But you might consider that the two supreme anti-liberals in history were Hitler and Stalin. Wouldn't you rather be at the opposite pole from them? The middle ground is a liberal society. In fact the only great societies that have survived were / are based on liberal values. Read some history and maybe absorb that.

 

[Arbie]

Maybe you should do some research, the subsidies are becuase the government wanted to keep food costs down

Maybe you should do some research - the subsidies were because the government wanted to ensure the stability of food supply in wartime. Read some history and maybe absorb that.

 

[Endymio]

71% of the precincts in Wayne County Michigan (home to Detroit) reported a higher vote total than they had voters. Based on that, two of the four County Commissioners voted to withhold certifying the results until a full audit was performed. They were immediately inundated with verbal harassment and threats of violence, and then reversed their vote. Just one small example -- and without the additional votes in just that one county, Michigan goes to Trump, not Biden.

As for the article's main conclusion that Krebs was fired for his recent tweet debunking the "Hammer and Scorecard" conspiracy theory, it is of course nonsense. The first new stories that Krebs has been expecting to be fired came out nearly two weeks ago, long before that tweet was even sent. But this is what passes for journalism these days: who cares if its correct or not, as long as it feeds a narrative.

 

[QuantumPhysics]

Michigan goes to Trump, not Biden.

Michigan went to Biden - not to Trump.

Too bad poor Trump has to try and sue "just enough states to win".

It's not happening lol.

I wonder what type of Uhauls the presidency affords?

 

[Lionvibez]

He should have known better to avoid the war path trump is on.

But rest assured he is good at what he does and has a good name in the industry he will probably be hired back by Biden team once he gets into office.

so just think of it as a early Christmas break.

 

[nnguy2]

71% of the precincts in Wayne County Michigan (home to Detroit) reported a higher vote total than they had voters. Based on that, two of the four County Commissioners voted to withhold certifying the results until a full audit was performed. They were immediately inundated with verbal harassment and threats of violence, and then reversed their vote. Just one small example -- and without the additional votes in just that one county, Michigan goes to Trump, not Biden.

As for the article's main conclusion that Krebs was fired for his recent tweet debunking the "Hammer and Scorecard" conspiracy theory, it is of course nonsense. The first new stories that Krebs has been expecting to be fired came out nearly two weeks ago, long before that tweet was even sent. But this is what passes for journalism these days: who cares if its correct or not, as long as it feeds a narrative.

Dude... same day voter registration, how is that concept so hard to understand. That what happen when you motive people to vote.

 

[nnguy2]

Maybe you should do some research, the subsidies are becuase the government wanted to keep food costs down, farmers could do just fine if there wasn't a cap on the price of food goods, thats the government over reach maninpulating the market and dictating that farmers can't set prices that would pay their bills, so the government has to bail them out, because you want to buy canned beans for 78 cents, when in truth they should be costing you $4

OK let the government take the subsidies away. I'll gladly pay more for beans so you can't be hypocrites about taking government money and crying about socialism. You're the same people as those who what the government to take their socialist hands off their Medicare and SOCIAL security .

 

[QuantumPhysics]

"The two Republicans based their initial refusal to certify the results on discrepancies in certain Detroit precincts between the numbers of voters and the numbers of ballots tabulated. In theory those should be the same, but results that are “out of balance” by small amounts are not unusual and do not generally signify tampering or fraud, or change the final results appreciably when they are corrected.

The unofficial results showed that Biden won Wayne County by a margin of about 323,000 votes.

Trump has refused to admit defeat there and in numerous other jurisdictions, claiming in a tweet, “I win Michigan!” Twitter tagged the tweet as “disputed.”"

 

[Arbie]

As for the article's main conclusion that Krebs was fired for his recent tweet ...

Actually, the biggest element in the story was that the Republican director of homeland cybersecurity said that the election was clean. But better to muddy the waters with a secondary point, right? Except - Trump himself said the the Krebs was fired for stating that fact.

But then, believing anything our President tweets is chancy. Great state of affairs huh? That's what he's brought us to - along with our being the laughingstock of the world. Make America Gameable Again.

 

[Endymio]

Dude... same day voter registration, how is that concept so hard to understand.

Sorry, but that argument doesn't fly, since discrepancies were also in the absentee vote counts. You can't send in an absentee ballot, then show up on election day to register. Nor does it make sense that, with an overall turnout of 49.6% for all precincts, that these certain districts had over a 100% turnout.

 

[Endymio]

"...discrepancies in certain Detroit precincts between the numbers of voters and the numbers of ballots tabulated. In theory those should be the same, but results that are “out of balance” by small amounts are not unusual and do not generally signify tampering or fraud

"In theory" they should equal? Any time the number of votes counted doesn't equal the number cast, there's a problem. Why not do an audit and see what happened? One person, one vote -- remember?

I'd love to see any other business try such a ridiculous excuse. Imagine the military saying "well in theory, the number of weapons we shipped to that base should equal to number we have there -- but if we're off by a few thousand, what does it matter?

 

[Arbie]

Two of the four County Commissioners voted to withhold certifying the results until a full audit was performed.

Whole story please... The two in question are Republicans. The other two are Democrats. Despite the obvious fact that any miniscule difference in counts was irrelevant to the final result, the former decided to toe the party line - at least briefly - with a delay. Of course everyone criticized them for this stupidity, and of course they found a face-saving way to reverse course back into reality. End of Trump-inspired non-drama. But how different from the way you report it...

Just one small example ...

Typical Trump-era FUD, although you're right about "small". Where are all the other, large examples? Links? Numbers? Evidence? Court wins? Anything other than random errors somewhere in 70 million votes?

Oh wait, I keep forgetting - since Trump lost it's automatically fraud. Hard to get my head around that. But research shows that a lie repeated many times will eventually be taken as truth, even by those who suspect it's a lie. Donald knows that very well, and here we see it in action.

 

[Endymio]

Actually, the biggest element in the story was that the Republican director of homeland cybersecurity said that the election was clean.

It's astonishing how you're able to rationalize what you wish to believe. Krebs did not say the election was "clean", nor would he even be in any position to know. State and county boards oversee voter registration, ballot counting, and every other aspect of the election process. The only thing Krebs has responsibility for is cybersecurity -- protecting voting machines from cyber attacks by foreign adversaries. His statement that the election was "secure" (not "clean") was in that cybersecurity context. And regardless, Krebs has no more or less knowledge of general election integrity than do you or I.

Except - Trump himself said the the Krebs was fired for stating that fact.

Once again you're deluding yourself. Trump said no such thing. Trump tweeted that Krebs' tweet was incorrect, period. The media are the ones who made the connection ... despite their having written the earlier stories that said Krebs was already on the chopping block.

 

[Arbie]

Any time the number of votes counted doesn't equal the number cast, there's a problem. Why not do an audit and see what happened?

The voice of reason. Of course "counting every vote" in this case means "feeding the Trump fantasy that he lost because of fraud". The problem is not that the count is wrong - nobody wants that - but the unprecedented insinuations (massive national fraud) and unprecedented transition delay.

The few remaining questionable votes will be counted or deleted anyway, in time. Everyone including you knows that, and that Trump lost. But you and he are willing to entertain these charades for revenge and perhaps political gain. At enormous cost to the country.

 

[Endymio]

Where are all the other, large examples?

How about Georgia? During the recount Monday, 2,000 uncounted votes were found, and 2,600 more on Tuesday. I haven't seen Wednesday's figures yet. How about dead people voting in Nevada -- is that just a "random error" too?

Court wins?

Glad to oblige:

"Nov 12 -- A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign that the Pennsylvania Secretary of State -- Democrat Kathy Boockvar -- overstepped her legal authority by changing a crucial voting deadline just two days before the election...."

 

[QuantumPhysics]

"In theory" they should equal? Any time the number of votes counted doesn't equal the number cast, there's a problem. Why not do an audit and see what happened? One person, one vote -- remember?

I'd love to see any other business try such a ridiculous excuse. Imagine the military saying "well in theory, the number of weapons we shipped to that base should equal to number we have there -- but if we're off by a few thousand, what does it matter?

Recounts are expensive.

Neither Trump or his supporter's feelings are worth it.