Trump fires cybersecurity director for calling election "most secure in American history"

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Recounts are expensive.
We recounted Florida three separate times during the Bush/Gore election, on far less evidence. I didn't hear anyone complaining about the expense of getting it right then. And in any case, I'm sure a recount will cost far less than the Mueller investigation.
 
We recounted Florida three separate times during the Bush/Gore election, on far less evidence. I didn't hear anyone complaining about the expense of getting it right then. And in any case, I'm sure a recount will cost far less than the Mueller investigation.


Florida was "one state"

Trump needs HOW MANY?

Dude needs like 5 states to win because he's such a tremendous loser.

Georgia's 16 votes are going to Biden.

It's gonna be like 322 -to - a lot less.

Neither Trump nor his supporters are worth it.

I've already heard Biden and Kamala's victory speeches.

There's no walking that back. The WORLD has heard and seen our new 46th President and our new Female VP.
 
Dude needs like 5 states
Two states, actually. Georgia is one: Trump has already picked up almost 3,000 votes during the recount, and Biden now leads by only 12,000 votes, out of 5 million cast.

Neither Trump nor his supporters are worth it.
That sounds a lot like, "My guy won, so who cares if its accurate?" Is that why you think it was necessary to recount Florida three separate times for Gore, but now believe we shouldn't even recount once? What are you afraid of?
 
Wow, looks like all the tinfoil hat wearers came out to comment on this article. Maybe the Russian bots just got a wiff of this and needed to let loose.
 
Emphasis mine:

"Nov 18 - "A senior Department of Homeland Security official said that former Cybersecurity Director Chris Krebs was "out of his lane" when speaking about voter fraud and the integrity of the election in CISA statements....

...the official [said that] while CISA was successful in preventing election interference via a cyberattack on election infrastructure during the 2020 election, election fraud is different than election interference, and outside the scope of CISA’s authorities....

CISA does not have firsthand information on allegations of voting fraud or investigate such claims, responsibility for which lies with State and local authorities..."
 
That sounds a lot like, "My guy won, so who cares if its accurate?"


5 STATES actually.

Biden is still 12,000+ ahead and the recount has not flipped for Trump.

Biden won Georgia and all that remains is it to be called.

As for: “my guy won“... yeah he did.

I couldn’t possibly care less about each and everyone of Trump’s cult members.

They’ve lost and his presidency is over.

The Democrats have coronavirus to thank for it but this is no different than the plague that God sent down on Pharaoh.

Trumps presidency has not only been a complete failure but he has been added to the only three presidents in history who’ve been impeached.

MAGA
 
Well what going on over there isn't my concern, but I am surprised by this news of government - government employees tussle.

Democracy is by the people, of the people. Where are people now? Can't they tell if the election was fair? Didn't they arrange this whole thing?
 
No, Krebs didn't have to do anything. He could keep swimming in the swamp, while his country is further divided internally and its reputation destroyed.
Let me make this clear. There is nothing secure about our voting system. Even if this year was more secure. That is not saying much. Once upon a time there was no choices for counting votes. We have choices now, yet we continue to use old outdated insecure counting methods. I'm surprised our ballots are not still transported by horse back.
 
Democracy is by the people, of the people. Where are people now? Can't they tell if the election was fair? Didn't they arrange this whole thing?


We currently have a president who is convinced that the election wasn’t fair if he didn’t win.

Not a big issue: he’ll be gone soon.

In fact: the only “irregularity” I see was the 2016 election.
 
Try again that's not a fact, that is an opinion. Just like my opinion thinking ill of the 2008, 2012, and (if you get your way) 2020 elections.


Hillary won by almost 3,000,000 votes. Although she lost the electoral college on a technicality.

Once the large blue states continue to do their job of forcing people to move out and into the red states that surround them we’ll eliminate the electoral college even without doing a constitutional amendment. Will make it irrelevant.

This time: Joe Biden destroyed Trump in the electoral college and beat him by more than 5 million votes.

I’ll think of you when Kamala Harris is swearing it on the Bible
 
How about Georgia? During the recount Monday, 2,000 uncounted votes were found, and 2,600 more on Tuesday. I haven't seen Wednesday's figures yet. How about dead people voting in Nevada -- is that just a "random error" too?

Glad to oblige:

"Nov 12 -- A Pennsylvania judge ruled in favor of the Trump campaign that the Pennsylvania Secretary of State -- Democrat Kathy Boockvar -- overstepped her legal authority by changing a crucial voting deadline just two days before the election...."
:laughing: Yeah, the only one Trump so far won. How many has he lost so far, 12 or 13 or some number in that range. 10% is not a good batting average. He's not likely to win any more. But what they hey! Trump has a right to court fights even if he is far from likely to win anything by it. It's his brand at stake. He hates looking like a loser.
 
5 STATES actually.
No. It's 3, as of today. PA, GA, and one of either NV, AZ, or MI. Any of those 3 pushes Trump over 270.

Biden is still 12,000+ ahead and the recount has not flipped for Trump. Biden won Georgia..
The recount is ongoing, and of the three large batches of uncounted votes found during the recount, somehow all were mostly for Trump. Just a coincidence though, right?

Much more concerning to me, though, is that in that state (and many others) it is actually against the law to compare signatures on mail-in ballots to confirm they match the voter registration card. There is no process whatsoever to confirm that a ballot received by mail was actually filled out by the person named on that ballot. None whatsoever.

There are many third-world nations who run more secure elections than that. And mindlessly chanting "no evidence of fraud" means nothing at all when there's no way for fraud to ever be found.


The Democrats have coronavirus to thank for it but this is no different than the plague that God sent down on Pharaoh.
It was China who sent this plague, not God. And China's favored candidate won as a result.
 
:laughing: Yeah, the only one Trump so far won.... He's not likely to win any more.
You never tire of being wrong. The campaign won a second case in PA as well, regarding Republican poll watchers which were not allowed to observe the counting process. Most of the remaining cases are either pending at the district level, or pending appeal.
 
No. It's 3, as of today. PA, GA, and one of either NV, AZ, or MI. Any of those 3 pushes Trump over 270.
Where have I heard "as of today" before?

The recount is ongoing, and of the three large batches of uncounted votes found during the recount, somehow all were mostly for Trump. Just a coincidence though, right?
I am sure there is a conspiracy in there somewhere. :laughing:

Much more concerning to me, though, is that in that state (and many others) it is actually against the law to compare signatures on mail-in ballots to confirm they match the voter registration card. There is no process whatsoever to confirm that a ballot received by mail was actually filled out by the person named on that ballot. None whatsoever.
Do you sign your signature exactly the same way every time? I bet not. Signature matching is more an art, not a science. I am sure that you would not mind that your vote did not count because some poll worker was not an expert in signature matching, right?

There are many third-world nations who run more secure elections than that. And mindlessly chanting "no evidence of fraud" means nothing at all when there's no way for fraud to ever be found.


It was China who sent this plague, not God. And China's favored candidate won as a result.
🤣 Spoken like a true scientist.
 
Hillary...lost the electoral college on a technicality.
Did you actually call the constitutionally-mandated election process a "technicality"? What's even more frightening is that you're not even embarrassed by such a statement. You may have skipped a few years of high school civics, but there is no such thing as a "popular vote winner" in the United States. We live in a republic, not a democracy.
 
You never tire of being wrong. The campaign won a second case in PA as well, regarding Republican poll watchers which were not allowed to observe the counting process. Most of the remaining cases are either pending at the district level, or pending appeal.
And you never tire of pretending you are always right and should not be questioned. 🤣
Google it, if you know how - the PA supreme court over-ruled that order https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rejects-trump-campaign-election-claim
 
Do you sign your signature exactly the same way every time? I bet not. Signature matching is more an art, not a science.
When my signature doesn't match on a check, the bank calls me to verify I actually signed it. Well over a billion checks were written in the US last year alone -- we can't verify signatures on a far smaller number of ballots?

In any case, I'm not wed to signature matching. What other form of verification would you suggest? The current situation of "no security whatsoever" isn't workable, plain and simple. It wasn't a serious issue when a tiny fraction of votes were mailed in, but in this election the majority were absentee ballots -- the first such ever in US history.
 
When my signature doesn't match on a check, the bank calls me to verify I actually signed it. Well over a billion checks were written in the US last year alone -- we can't verify signatures on a far smaller number of ballots?

In any case, I'm not wed to signature matching. What other form of verification would you suggest? The current situation of "no security whatsoever" isn't workable, plain and simple. It wasn't a serious issue when a tiny fraction of votes were mailed in, but in this election the majority were absentee ballots -- the first such ever in US history.
Ah, changing the argument. Do you seriously think that every single check written in the US goes through a signature verification process?
 
Do you seriously think that every single check written in the US goes through a signature verification process?
Maybe not. But in the end those checks are audited. If not the account holder sucks at keeping records and account balancing. That is definitely a stage we don't get as voters.
 
The arguments over ballot technicalities rage not because Trump or any of his proxies think there is significant fraud nor that the audits etc. will change anything - but just because he's screaming. That's it.

The result of this screaming? More than half of Republican voters believe that the election was stolen. That's tens of millions of our citizens. Plus the trashing of our reputation as a democratic icon to billions.

What an awful legacy from the most secure and probably most scrutinized election we've ever had. And it's all due to Mr. Trump.

All you Trump apologists and enablers ought to get your heads out of your partisan cavities and think about that. Think about the damage to your democracy. You know... what the flag represents? Your buddy is using it to wipe his butt. Actually, he's having you wipe it for him.
 
You know... what the flag represents?
That would be a balance between democracy and republic? You can't throw out either one without disrupting the balance our forefathers built for us. It's time you democrats learned that, and stop calling the US a straight up democracy. Every time you straight up vote democracy. You are voting for the loss of freedom. That is not how this country was founded.
 
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