Trump pardons US congressman who spent $1,500 of campaign funds on Steam games

Endymio

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What kind of country are you guys running over there? Amend your outdated constitution... It [sich] out of touch and out of date and it's being used to corrupt your entire democracy
Probably because we don't live in a democracy, and never have. The Founding Fathers, with good reason, refused to create any such form of government. Why not learn the at least the basic facts of an issue before attempting to criticize it?
 

CBTex

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The entire presidential pardon system is absolute horse manure!

What kind of country are you guys running over there, cancel that ridiculous corrupt system NOW.
Amend your outdated constitution and stop worshipping it as something that's perfectly written by God Himself.
It out of touch and out of date and it's being used to corrupt your entire democracy and laws.


First of all, mind your own business. I don't know what country you are from, but your opinion as to our government is worthless. I assume, based on your condescension, that you are European. Europe is the source of both fascism and communism, plus almost all of colonialism. Europe almost completely screwed the world multiple times in the 20th century.

Second, the Constitution is the best thing about the United States federal government. If it was actually followed by the federal government, things would be better. The Constitution did more to expand the rights of the individual than any other document in history.

Third, the idea of a presidential pardon is sound. It was included so that abuse of power by prosecutorial and judicial authority could be overruled. Just because both parties use it as a tool to repay political favor doesn't mean that it doesn't have a legitimate purpose. Many presidents, including both Trump and Obama, have used it for good.
 

wiyosaya

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(AP Wire) "Obama granted yesterday a pardon to General James Cartwright. Cartwright served as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Obama, and was “a key member of Mr. Obama’s national security team and earned a reputation as the president’s "favorite general,”. Cartwright had leaked classified information regarding Iran’s nuclear program to the media and lied to the FBI regarding those criminal leaks of information....Cartwright was due to be sentenced when the pardon was granted..."
"On his last day in office, Bill Clinton issued a pardon for international fugitive Marc Rich...Rich was wanted for a list of charges stretching back decades....he was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List. [Days before] the pardon, the financier’s ex-wife Denise had donated $450,000 to the Clinton Library and over $1 million to Democratic campaigns...."

The FBI opened a bribery investigation against the Clintons for this one. The investigation was assigned to James Comey, however, and, like the Clinton email investigation, went nowhere.
So these justify Grump following along. Got it. :rolleyes:
 

Edzz1

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In the last two years epic games have given out at least 2000$ worth of pc games, I don't even pirate games anymore I can BR for free(fortnite, warzone, ~some PUBG) and enter my 100 game strong epic games pc library where my total purchase amount is still zero
 

Endymio

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These latest pardons might just backfire on the Supreme Dalek -Trump. Why? Because it basically removes "pleading the fifth"
Your tinfoil hat is on a bit too tight today. Stone and Manafort have already testified under oath, and neither took the Fifth.

So these justify Grump following along. Got it.
To reiterate: when Trump pardons someone on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list, or a terrorist bombmaker, or a traitor who gave the largest ever trove of classified material to our enemies, let us know. I won't speak to Manafort, but there are few people more deserving of a pardon than Papadopoulos, Stone, or the Blackwater contractors.
 

Crinkles

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To reiterate: when Trump pardons someone on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list, or a terrorist bombmaker, or a traitor who gave the largest ever trove of classified material to our enemies, let us know. I won't speak to Manafort, but there are few people more deserving of a pardon than Papadopoulos, Stone, or the Blackwater contractors.

"it only matters when I say it matters, till then you mooks shutup" !!!!!!!

The now pardoned for eternity Blackwater Academi Instutite and Criminal Resources Department of the US Military...... Blackwater Security Consulting (now Academi), is a private military company contracted by the US government to provide security services in Iraq.

Blackwater murdered 17 and injured 20 in Nisour Square, Baghdad.


While escorting a U.S. embassy convoy. The killings outraged Iraqis and strained relations between Iraq and the United States.
In 2014, four Blackwater employees were tried and convicted in U.S. federal court; one of murder, and the other three of manslaughter and firearms charges; all four convicted were pardoned by Donald Trump in December 2020 [sources = world]
 

kiwigraeme

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Obama handed out 212 pardons and 1,700+ clemencies -- several times what Trump has. Obama also pardoned one traitor (Bradley Manning: over 750,000 classified documents given to our enemies), and one terrorist bomb-maker: FALN member Oscar Lopez. None of Trump's pardons involves traitors or terrorists.

Would you like to try again, this time with some facts?


Weird system - but aren't you leaving out - how many are initiated by the Prez and those that come across their desk by the department that reviews and vets them . I think Obama is reasonably in the clear on that - Clinton & Trump not so much
 

QuantumPhysics

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But yet, you still posted the first political post that was immediately debunked as false and inaccurate. Why would anyone care about your opinion after that or even trust that anything you would say would be remotely truthful. Next time, post something factual, back it up with a official source and then we might care to listen.



I'd love to explain it to you OFF of censored threads. This way I'd be able to deliver 100% of my message to you.
 

Endymio

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Blackwater murdered 17 and injured 20 in Nisour Square, Baghdad.
Correction. Blackwater contractors killed 17. Not murdered The original case against these men was thrown out by a federal judge. It takes an astonishingly gullible mindset to believe four separate men, in the middle of escorting a convoy, would suddenly stop and all four simultaneously and without reason begin a murderous killing spree-- a killing spree in which they retained enough presence of mind to radio for help multiple times. The judge laughed the politically-motivated case out of the courtroom.

Then VP Joe Biden, in an attempt to curry political favor, loudly and publicly forced the Justice Department to engage in a fresh prosecution. The men were convicted -- only to later find out that evidence favorable to the men had been withheld, and the prosecution's star witness -- Iraqi Lt. Colonel Faris Karim of the Iraqi Secret Police, himself had ties to terror groups, and had been involved in witness tampering and destruction of evidence in other cases. That alone warants a pardon, and victims' rights group had long called for such.

Any more questions?
 

Crinkles

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Correction. Blackwater contractors killed 17. Not murdered The original case against these men was thrown out by a federal judge. It takes an astonishingly gullible mindset to believe four separate men, in the middle of escorting a convoy, would suddenly stop and all four simultaneously and without reason begin a murderous killing spree-- a killing spree in which they retained enough presence of mind to radio for help multiple times. The judge laughed the politically-motivated case out of the courtroom.

Then VP Joe Biden, in an attempt to curry political favor, loudly and publicly forced the Justice Department to engage in a fresh prosecution. The men were convicted -- only to later find out that evidence favorable to the men had been withheld, and the prosecution's star witness -- Iraqi Lt. Colonel Faris Karim of the Iraqi Secret Police, himself had ties to terror groups, and had been involved in witness tampering and destruction of evidence in other cases. That alone warants a pardon, and victims' rights group had long called for such.

The pardon is preposterous. You know it and I know you know, what we don't know is why anyone is hauling water for Blackwater criminals and trump.

This,
for posterity.

December 4, 2008, one guard, Jeremy Ridgeway, agreed to plead guilty and to testify against the other five men: Paul A. Slough, Evan S. Liberty, Dustin L. Heard, Donald W. Ball, and Nicholas A. Slatten.

On December 31, 2009, a U.S. district judge dismissed the manslaughter charges against Slough, Liberty, Heard, Ball, and Slatten because the case against them had been improperly built on testimony given in exchange for immunity.

Three weeks later, Vice President Joe Biden, who was overseeing U.S. policy in Iraq, promised Iraqi leaders that the U.S. would appeal the dismissal of charges.

On April 22, 2011, after closed-door testimony, a U.S. federal appeals court reinstated the manslaughter charges against the five men.

A jury found Slatten guilty of first-degree murder, the other three guards (Slough, Liberty and Heard) guilty of at least three counts of voluntary manslaughter and using a machine gun to commit a violent crime.

Jurors sided with prosecutors' contention that the shooting was a criminal act, not a battlefield encounter gone wrong. Slatten faced a potential sentence of life in prison. The other three guards faced decades in prison; the weapons charges carried a minimum 30-year sentence under a law enacted during the 1990s cocaine epidemic.

On April 13, 2015, federal district judge Royce C. Lamberth sentenced Slatten to life in prison and the other three guards to 30 years each.

August 4, 2017, the sentences for Heard, Liberty, and Slough were overturned and they were re-sentenced to time already served.

Slatten was also ordered to at best undergo a re-trial on grounds that he should have had a separate trial. The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit's fractured per curiam decision first found that Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act authorized the prosecutions, over the partial dissent of Judge Janice Rogers Brown.

The court then found the mandatory minimum sentences as applied to the defendants were unconstitutional cruel and unusual punishments, over the partial dissent of Judge Judith W. Rogers.

On December 19, 2018, Slatten was found guilty of murder and was sentenced to life in prison on August 14, 2019.

On December 22, 2020, trump granted full presidential pardons to Slatten, Slough, Liberty, and Heard.

Witness' statements:
Halim Mashkoor told AP Television News: "We see the security firms ... doing whatever they want in the streets. They beat citizens and scorn them...if such a thing happened in America or Britain, would the American president or American citizens accept it?"

Hasan Jaber Salman, a lawyer who was one of the wounded, said that "no one did anything to provoke Blackwater" and "as we turned back they opened fire at all cars from behind"

An Iraqi police officer who was directing traffic at the scene said Blackwater guards "became the terrorists" when they opened fire on civilians unprovoked.

A businessman said he wasn't seeking compensation but only "the truth" from the guards. /

After a group of Iraqi ministers backed the Iraqi Interior Ministry's decision to shut down Blackwater USA's operations in Iraq, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki called on the U.S. government to end its contract with Blackwater and called on Blackwater to pay the families $8 million in compensation.

A U.S. judge's decision to dismiss all charges against Blackwater on January 1, 2010, sparked outrage in the Arab world.

Again, December 22, 2020, trump granted full presidential pardons to Slatten, Slough, Liberty, and Heard.

Any more questions?

How about yourself?

Feeling good things for Blackwater | Academi, and supporting a murdering Blackwater | Academi organaziton is very UN-american. But, you do you.

#BeBest
 

Endymio

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Jurors sided with prosecutors' contention that the shooting was a criminal act, not a battlefield encounter gone wrong.
You find it credible that four experienced and professional men simultaneously went berserk without reason, and began firing into a crowd for sheer kicks? All four were honorably-discharged military vets: two were ex-Marines, one had served in the 82nd Airborne, and three of the four had done prior tours in Iraq without incident.

If you can swallow that, then perhaps you can explain why they choose to radio for help during this mad killing spree? And why was the Dept. of State armored vehicle that they were escorting disabled by an AK-47 round, a weapon that none of the four carried?

Here's how the investigation was handled:

"The FBI outsourced the investigation to the Iraqi Police, an organization infiltrated with anti-American insurgents. According to U.S. intelligence files, which were hidden from the defense for a decade, the man who led the Iraqi investigation, Col. Faris Karim, may have collaborated with Iranian terrorist organizations. The Iraqi Police collected [the] physical evidence, most of which disappeared. Advertisements on Iraqi television promised compensation for persons who identified themselves to be victims. The Iraqi Police identified the witnesses and claimed victims and coordinated their stories so that they would all claim that [the men] shot without provocation, contrary to what untainted Iraqi witnesses told the U.S. Army Captain at the scene. FBI investigators did not visit the site until several weeks after the incident...."

The other three guards faced decades in prison; the weapons charges carried a minimum 30-year sentence under a law enacted during the 1990s cocaine epidemic.
This simply demonstrates the unethical behavior of the prosecution. All four men were required by the US State Department to carry the machine guns with which this case criminally charged them with possession of.