Twitter's 'Birdwatch' will fight the spread of misinformation

[wiyosaya]

As has been revealed before, it is not only right-leaning voices that are silenced by social media - Oh yeah, this is a Media outlet so what it says cannot be valid, right?

Edit: Correcting link: https://www.marxist.com/social-medi... public control and ownership of social media.

 

[Endymio]

I think that the science clearly indicates that at least some types of home-made masks help to prevent the spread of the virus. (link)

The link you posted is not medical research. It's no more than a visualization, done with about $100 worth of equipment. You only know of it because it was widely quoted by the media, but its conclusions run counter to all actual research done. Certainly, a mask reduces macroscopic-size expelled droplets. Why? Because it turns many of them into far smaller aerosol particles, which linger in the air longer. Macroscopic-scale droplets only travel a meter or two, and are not a major transmission vector for respiratory viruses; fomites and aerosol particles are. Masks not do not help with these; they make the situation worse, through additional retention of moisture, an increased tendency of mask wearers to touch the face, nose, and mouth, poor mask disposal hygiene, and the aerosolizing effect I mentioned earlier.

From the National Library of Medicine:

A cluster-randomized trial of cloth masks compared to medical masks... : " The results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection."

A slightly older one, from the CDC's website:

"CDC: Nonpharmaceutical Measures..." : " In our systematic review, we...found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks "

These are just a few of the many available studies which demonstrate the ineffectiveness, and indeed the dangers of mask use by the general public. I know of only one actual medical study which disagrees. That, however, was based on self-reported polling data collected by Google, and its data quality level can only be regarded as low.

 

[wiyosaya]

The link you posted is not medical research. It's no more than a visualization, done with about $100 worth of equipment. You only know of it because it was widely quoted by the media, but its conclusions run counter to all actual research done. Certainly, a mask reduces macroscopic-size expelled droplets. Why? Because it turns many of them into far smaller aerosol particles, which linger in the air longer. Macroscopic-scale droplets only travel a meter or two, and are not a major transmission vector for respiratory viruses; fomites and aerosol particles are. Masks not do not help with these; they make the situation worse, through additional retention of moisture, an increased tendency of mask wearers to touch the face, nose, and mouth, poor mask disposal hygiene, and the aerosolizing effect I mentioned earlier.

From the National Library of Medicine:

A cluster-randomized trial of cloth masks compared to medical masks... : " The results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection."

A slightly older one, from the CDC's website:

"CDC: Nonpharmaceutical Measures..." : " In our systematic review, we...found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks "

Influenza. Interesting.

 

[Endymio]

As has been revealed before, it is not only right-leaning voices that are silenced by social media (link)

Lol, did you even read that article before you posted it? Yes, it quotes several "left-leaning voices" that were silenced -- but they were all silenced by other leftists, for not leaning left enough.

 

[wiyosaya]

The link you posted is not medical research. It's no more than a visualization, done with about $100 worth of equipment. You only know of it because it was widely quoted by the media, but its conclusions run counter to all actual research done. Certainly, a mask reduces macroscopic-size expelled droplets. Why? Because it turns many of them into far smaller aerosol particles, which linger in the air longer. Macroscopic-scale droplets only travel a meter or two, and are not a major transmission vector for respiratory viruses; fomites and aerosol particles are. Masks not do not help with these; they make the situation worse, through additional retention of moisture, an increased tendency of mask wearers to touch the face, nose, and mouth, poor mask disposal hygiene, and the aerosolizing effect I mentioned earlier.

From the National Library of Medicine:

A cluster-randomized trial of cloth masks compared to medical masks... : " The results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection."

A slightly older one, from the CDC's website:

"CDC: Nonpharmaceutical Measures..." : " In our systematic review, we...found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks "

These are just a few of the many available studies which demonstrate the ineffectiveness, and indeed the dangers of mask use by the general public. I know of only one actual medical study which disagrees. That, however, was based on self-reported polling data collected by Google, and its data quality level can only be regarded as low.

So, the CDC is FOS? https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...nteract with a person who is hearing impaired.

 

[wiyosaya]

Lol, did you even read that article before you posted it? Yes, it quotes several "left-leaning voices" that were silenced -- but they were all silenced by other leftists, for not leaning left enough.

LOL. the point is, leftists are not censoring only right-leaning speech. Which seems to be the right's argument that only the right is being censored.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Maybe the CDC is correct and you aren't?

COVID-19 ARCHIVED WEBPAGE

This historical page is not up to date. Find the latest on COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Endymio]

Maybe the CDC is correct and you aren't?

I gave you the research from the CDC's own site. The CDC's original recommendation was to not wear masks. They changed that guidance in May, due to political pressure -- but the research hasn't changed. Or I can quote from the WHO Report: "Advice on the Use of Masks in the Context of Covid-19" (link here).

" At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. "

Look, you two are both reasonably intelligent individuals. Don't automatically disagree for the sheer sake of disagreement. The research is publicly available; you can find all this out on your own:

1. Cloth masks aerosolize. Anyone wearing one should be shot on sight.
2. Three-layer cotton masks do not aerosolize (much). If people follow protocols on the wearing, handling, and disposal of them, they can reduce transmission somewhat. Nowhere near the 30-50% level that the media has quoted, but somewhat. That is why research indicates their use in medical settings, where people are trained on how to wear and use them.
3. The general public does not wear masks properly. They adjust the mask often, touching their face far more. They don't fully cover their nose or mouth. They reuse masks, they handle them without hand-washing, and they don't dispose of them properly. These reasons are why the minimal benefits of mask use are more than outweighed by the potential dangers.
4. Far more effective than mask use in public settings is simple hand-washing. But how often have you seen the media talk about that?

 

[Endymio]

LOL. the point is, leftists are not censoring only right-leaning speech. Which seems to be the right's argument that only the right is being censored.

If your point was that Leftists will even censor other Leftists who don't fully agree with them on every aspect of their approved orthodoxy -- point well made.

 

[BadThad]

One of many reasons I don't use the platform, they allow the spread of leftist propaganda since it fits their company narrative. They are simply creating a public scapegoat to defend themselves for taking down posts since "misinformation" is generic enough they can take down a post for ANY reason.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I gave you the research from the CDC's own site. The CDC's original recommendation was to not wear masks. They changed that guidance in May, due to political pressure -- but the research hasn't changed. Or I can quote from the WHO Report: "Advice on the Use of Masks in the Context of Covid-19" (link here).

" At present, there is no direct evidence (from studies on COVID19 and in healthy people in the community) on the effectiveness of universal masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including COVID-19. "

Look, you two are both reasonably intelligent individuals. Don't automatically disagree for the sheer sake of disagreement. The research is publicly available; you can find all this out on your own:

1. Cloth masks aerosolize. Anyone wearing one should be shot on sight.
2. Three-layer cotton masks do not aerosolize (much). If people follow protocols on the wearing, handling, and disposal of them, they can reduce transmission somewhat. Nowhere near the 30-50% level that the media has quoted, but somewhat. That is why research indicates their use in medical settings, where people are trained on how to wear and use them.
3. The general public does not wear masks properly. They adjust the mask often, touching their face far more. They don't fully cover their nose or mouth. They reuse masks, they handle them without hand-washing, and they don't dispose of them properly. These reasons are why the minimal benefits of mask use are more than outweighed by the potential dangers.
4. Far more effective than mask use in public settings is simple hand-washing. But how often have you seen the media talk about that?

Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

We talked to UCSF epidemiologist George Rutherford, MD, and infectious disease specialist Peter Chin-Hong, MD, about the CDC’s reversal on mask-wearing, the current science on how masks work, and what to consider when choosing a mask.

www.ucsf.edu

WEAR A MASK!!!

 

[cliffordcooley]

WEAR A MASK!!!

If no one around you is getting sick there is no point. Besides even if everyone around me was sick. I still wouldn't wear one. I don't care how many times you or someone else tries making me wear one. The threat of being fined still doesn't scare me.

 

[Endymio]

Squid Surprise, post: 1844249, member: 363753"]WEAR A MASK!!!

Squid, in all seriousness, I am pleased that you are attempting to research the subject now. We've hijacked the thread with mask talk long enough, though (I'm already looking over my shoulder for mailpup), so this will be my last post here, but I will happy to continue with a thread in general discussion or a private conversation if you wish. In either case, I encourage you to go a little further, and search some actual medical journals for publications therein.

As for the article you found, it is not written by a researcher, but rather by
'Nina Bai', whose bio says she "joined the digital communications team in 2016 as a web writer." Nina makes some rather amusing assertions, including this one which contains the most basic of all statistical errors, something you're taught on Day 1 in every introductory class on statistics:

"In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19...."

I won't insult your intelligence by playing "spot-the-error" with you. I'm sure you see it -- or rather them, as this contains several. Nina does cite some actual research, none of which contradicts the points I've made, starting with her mention of the video droplet visualization we've already discussed above. I urge you to click through, and read them yourself.

 

[Squid Surprise]

If no one around you is getting sick there is no point. Besides even if everyone around me was sick. I still wouldn't wear one. I don't care how many times you or someone else tries making me wear one. The threat of being fined still doesn't scare me.

Really? And how about the vast quantity of "sick" people who show no symptoms? You just going to assume that they won't breathe your way?

And while I appreciate that you don't care about your own health... all the people who YOU then breathe on could possibly get infected... thanks for being a part of the problem.

Squid, in all seriousness, I am pleased that you are attempting to research the subject now. We've hijacked the thread with mask talk long enough, though (I'm already looking over my shoulder for mailpup), so this will be my last post here, but I will happy to continue with a thread in general discussion or a private conversation if you wish. In either case, I encourage you to go a little further, and search some actual medical journals for publications therein.

As for the article you found, it is not written by a researcher, but rather by
'Nina Bai', whose bio says she "joined the digital communications team in 2016 as a web writer." Nina makes some rather amusing assertions, including this one which contains the most basic of all statistical errors, something you're taught on Day 1 in every introductory class on statistics:

"In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19...."

I won't insult your intelligence by playing "spot-the-error" with you. I'm sure you see it -- or rather them, as this contains several. Nina does cite some actual research, none of which contradicts the points I've made, starting with her mention of the video droplet visualization we've already discussed above. I urge you to click through, and read them yourself.

I agree that Nina isn't a researcher - but she links to actual reports:

https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

Respiratory virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks - Nature Medicine

A study of 246 individuals with seasonal respiratory virus infections randomized to wear or not wear a surgical face mask showed that masks can significantly reduce detection of coronavirus and influenza virus in exhaled breath and may help interrupt virus transmission.

www.nature.com

Here's a summary:
" The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces the transmissibility per contact by reducing transmission of infected droplets in both laboratory and clinical contexts. Public mask wearing is most effective at stopping spread of the virus when compliance is high. The decreased transmissibility could substantially reduce the death toll and economic impact while the cost of the intervention is low. Thus we recommend the adoption of public cloth mask wearing, as an effective form of source control, in conjunction with existing hygiene, distancing, and contact tracing strategies. We recommend that public officials and governments strongly encourage the use of widespread face masks in public, including the use of appropriate regulation. "

Again: WEAR A MASK!!!