Vinyl outsells CDs for the first time in 35 years with 41 million records sold in 2022

That's pretty amazing but I guess the reason is that digital audio on CDs sounds no different than digital .mp3 files while the analog recording on a record has a different quality to it. Objectively, the digital sound is better but the enjoyment of sound is anything but objective.
 
No it's not baffling. People want to be in with the In Crowd and What better pick up line than...Wanna come up to place and listen to some 45's?
"people want to be in the crowd" exactly why its even MORE baffling, it sucks, AND people do it just to be relevant or matter or go along with some stupid trend
trends in itself are already stupid, but going long with them to be part of a crowd?? thats just purely *****ic and pathetic
 
That's pretty amazing but I guess the reason is that digital audio on CDs sounds no different than digital .mp3 files while the analog recording on a record has a different quality to it. Objectively, the digital sound is better but the enjoyment of sound is anything but objective.
Yes then just say so.
It's not about the chase for objectively better sound quality, but the chase for the subjective enjoyment.
Clearly then, the sound doesn't have to be objectively better for it to be subjectively enjoyed more. So what's with the self-proclaimed objective audiophiles all this while?
 
All vinyl being pressed now is mastered from a digital copy. So you're just playing back a digital file via an analog format.
I don't know if that is the case for older music... say pre 1980's. It is certainly the case for newer music though. My dad has a few old albums he bought back in the early 70's and I've got a few remastered copies of those same albums but on new vinyl records, and we've compared them back to back on the same equipment. I think the new sounds way better, but he thinks the old ones sound way better. I think it is just perhaps what you fell in love with in the beginning, and if I can liken music to people... when you first met a really good friend or spouse, you don't want them to change from what you fell in love with in the beginning. You remember all the good feelings of when you first got together and are not just nostalgic of them, but prefer them. So remastered music is kind of like a person's personality; having been changed, is more mature, has grown wiser; and you may not be in love with that more mature, "better" person as much as who they used to be. I think that is what is going on here with my dad thinking the old records sound better than my new remastered, and perhaps the lot of us who really do think the old stuff just sounds better.
 
Yes then just say so.
It's not about the chase for objectively better sound quality, but the chase for the subjective enjoyment.
Clearly then, the sound doesn't have to be objectively better for it to be subjectively enjoyed more. So what's with the self-proclaimed objective audiophiles all this while?
I have no idea. I've never claimed to be an audiophile myself, hell, I just use on-board sound myself and I don't have a turntable (or a CD player for that matter). Because of my age, I do have an extensive CD library but everything I own has been ripped to .mp3 and that's what I use.

To me, it all sounds good so I just use what's the most convenient. I just know that a lot of people like the sound of records. I don't really undertstand why, but I know that it's a thing.
 
I have no idea. I've never claimed to be an audiophile myself, hell, I just use on-board sound myself and I don't have a turntable (or a CD player for that matter). Because of my age, I do have an extensive CD library but everything I own has been ripped to .mp3 and that's what I use.

To me, it all sounds good so I just use what's the most convenient. I just know that a lot of people like the sound of records. I don't really undertstand why, but I know that it's a thing.
If they really like the sound as claimed, then it's because of pleasant distortion that brings out the "sweetness" of vocals, especially female ones. And makes the mids sound silky smooth.

But they're just indicating that they prefer distortion, not unadulterated signal. Pleasant distortion is still distortion.

And there's that group that just wants to play with flat frisbees. So it's not really just about the sound any more. And of course there's that small percentage that does things just because they can be proud of seemingly affording what nobody else can.
 
Because materialism will never die.
(IMHO), "materialism", is an evolutionary outgrowth of, "territorialism" in the animal kingdom. An alpha male lion declares his superiority by the amount of hunting area he controls. Humans do the same thing with material goods, subconsciously equating them with "territory".

The old adage,"he who dies with the most toys wins", pretty much sums it up.
 
If they really like the sound as claimed, then it's because of pleasant distortion that brings out the "sweetness" of vocals, especially female ones. And makes the mids sound silky smooth.

But they're just indicating that they prefer distortion, not unadulterated signal. Pleasant distortion is still distortion.

And there's that group that just wants to play with flat frisbees. So it's not really just about the sound any more. And of course there's that small percentage that does things just because they can be proud of seemingly affording what nobody else can.
That sounds about right, yeah.
 
"people want to be in the crowd" exactly why its even MORE baffling, it sucks, AND people do it just to be relevant or matter or go along with some stupid trend
trends in itself are already stupid, but going long with them to be part of a crowd?? thats just purely *****ic and pathetic
Quote accurately "People want to be in with the In Crowd " not...
people want to be in the crowd
 
Yes but not in the overrated way that most people imagine it to be, this makes them susceptible to confirmation bias, especially in the absence of scientifically-valid testing: ABX.

A lot boils down to good mastering, and there's 2 things to consider:
1) 24-bit depth with its larger dynamic range is perhaps more forgiving of crappy mastering
2) Companies know the power of marketing - they master 16-bit stuff crappily while giving extra tender loving care to 24-bit stuff, so that the uninitiated will pay more for... better mastering, not higher bit depth.
Got it; 24-bit & 16-bit are equal to the human ear. But if it takes the "rating" of 24-bit to get better mastering, then I'm for it all the way.

Either way, better mastering, and/or 24-bit sounds better to me. If it's a placebo effect, I don't care. I didn't pay more for my recent 24-bit purchase than I have for rececent 16-bit recordings.
 
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Interestingly, this isn't a global trend. Here's what he BPI has to say about the UK market:
“There were 11.6 million CDs and 5.5 million vinyl LPs purchased across the year, as well as 195,000 cassettes and 3.7 million album downloads." Now that's roughly 2:1. (Interestingly the British press have been lauding the value rather than the quantity of sales).
Also consider that the second hand market, excluded from the RIAAs report, will most likely be dominated by CDs as vinyl is a format that is dominated by collectors.
Why have the RIAA combined LPs and EPs? That makes me suspicious - EPs were 7" or 12" singles in my day. nb The RIAA defines an EP as containing between three and five tracks or running less than 30 minutes - that's a single in my book.
WOW! 195,000 cassettes, the belts desintergrated in my player years ago. I remember only finding one type of metal tape that sounded good for recording, then they quit making them, I guess they got shut down because you could make tape that sounded better than the prerecorded ones, sad!
 
WOW! 195,000 cassettes, the belts desintergrated in my player years ago. I remember only finding one type of metal tape that sounded good for recording, then they quit making them, I guess they got shut down because you could make tape that sounded better than the prerecorded ones, sad!
The cassette industry couldn't spend an extra 3c to 5c per tape to swtich to Chrome, which when recorded correctly, might have given the format another 10yrs.

Then they had the issue of the distribution of secondary 'master' tapes for reproduction - they were sometimes fouth-hand copies.

They started to realize the error of their ways, as some of the last commerecial cassettes were marked as being copied from a digital source.

All too little, too late.

Me, I have a Nakamichi to this day. Right now it is off for a full-service / belts and recalibration, which will take about a month, then I will list it on a well-known auction site, as my hobby requires some more rack space.

But when I record directly from the SACD to a Metal tape, it sure sounds nothing like the tapes did, when I was a child...
 
The cassette industry couldn't spend an extra 3c to 5c per tape to swtich to Chrome, which when recorded correctly, might have given the format another 10yrs.

Then they had the issue of the distribution of secondary 'master' tapes for reproduction - they were sometimes fouth-hand copies.

They started to realize the error of their ways, as some of the last commerecial cassettes were marked as being copied from a digital source.

All too little, too late.

Me, I have a Nakamichi to this day. Right now it is off for a full-service / belts and recalibration, which will take about a month, then I will list it on a well-known auction site, as my hobby requires some more rack space.

But when I record directly from the SACD to a Metal tape, it sure sounds nothing like the tapes did, when I was a child...
Wow, that Nakamichi should fetch some good money. Which model have you got? I haven't heard that name in a long time. Nakamichi and Tandberg were the best of the best.
 
Wow, that Nakamichi should fetch some good money. Which model have you got? I haven't heard that name in a long time. Nakamichi and Tandberg were the best of the best.
Indeed, it was a Revox / Studer that I was initally looking to buy. But 2nd hand condition for the few models on offer, and the lack of parts, was my primary concern with those.

I had unidentified songs that I hoped Shazam / SoundHound could take a stab at, as well as some sample of the families' voices as children, so I thought a temporary high end purchase might provide the best resolution for this task - and it did. I choose the Nakamichi MR-1 Professional.

I broke out all sorts of mix tapes etc and spent a couple of days sorting through them. And once I had done that, and experimented with modern recording to the format, I was left holding a baby, so to speak. Nice to look at in the rack, nice to show off to fellow audiophiles, but of little use when a DAT/DCC would have done it so much better, and have been a nice thing to record from the streamer with in the long term.

I tried asking around friends / family for what cassettes they had for me to have, and it seems they all made it to the charity shop, quite some years ago. Shame.

Have a look: https://www.hifinext.com/which-cassette-decks-are-better-than-nakamichi-dragon/
 
Indeed, it was a Revox / Studer that I was initally looking to buy. But 2nd hand condition for the few models on offer, and the lack of parts, was my primary concern with those.

I had unidentified songs that I hoped Shazam / SoundHound could take a stab at, as well as some sample of the families' voices as children, so I thought a temporary high end purchase might provide the best resolution for this task - and it did. I choose the Nakamichi MR-1 Professional.

I broke out all sorts of mix tapes etc and spent a couple of days sorting through them. And once I had done that, and experimented with modern recording to the format, I was left holding a baby, so to speak. Nice to look at in the rack, nice to show off to fellow audiophiles, but of little use when a DAT/DCC would have done it so much better, and have been a nice thing to record from the streamer with in the long term.

I tried asking around friends / family for what cassettes they had for me to have, and it seems they all made it to the charity shop, quite some years ago. Shame.

Have a look: https://www.hifinext.com/which-cassette-decks-are-better-than-nakamichi-dragon/
Very nice!
 
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