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terzaerian

Posts: 662   +923
Do you think a Vitnamese internet cafe that has been closed for over a year has enough cash to buy the overpriced GPUS (plural) needed to make a living out of crypto mining? How many cards would you need?
As many cards as you already have on hand?

Antis seethe that mining needs to be banned permanently so they can overcome a temporary shortage (which isn't going to work anyway because gaming demand outstrips mining demand by orders of magnitude) and roll out intellectually dishonest virtue signaling about climate change to justify it. It's the height of hypocrisy and greed and I'm getting sick and tired of seeing the same stupid, outdated arguments about it here.
 

Cycloid Torus

Posts: 4,719   +1,520
I think we may be missing an important element - tariffs. One definition of a tariff is a tax on foreign goods paid by the hometown buyer because his government wants him to buy (and / or 'protect') a local product which may be a lesser grade or inefficiently produced.

I've wondered why the new administration has not addressed this already, but I've decided that it is a delayed decision waiting for an opportune time (so we don't look like *****s). Can't imagine Yellin wanting to continue a "tariff war".
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 266   +228
Yeah right. Democrats wont do anything to screw over their brothers in arms in the CCP, and china is a major investor in bitcoin and other altcoins now. USA banning it would screw over chinese business interests.

Also, the hypocracy of claiming that Mining is terrible for global warming, while wanting these GPUs to play video games, can be seen 20 light years away. Gaming produces nothing, at least with coin mining you can produce something of value. It's no less a currency then FIAT currency, like the US dollar.

Why are people upvoting these arguments ?- please engage your critical thinking .

So apparently this construct of a cryptocoin has intrinsic and absolute worth independent of humans .

Human Activities like gaming , being with family , playing sport etc etc produce nothing .

Reduce to the ridiculous - Bitcoins are much better for the environment than human activities. Mining Bitcoins is not Human Activity like Gaming

So we mine these wonderful things using the same power as say Argentina uses -
Then we don't spend them for human activities like gaming.

Do you also believe that you just made $100 when you buy a $1000 pair of Yeezys for $900.

Come on guys please lift your game - Happy to hear your argument as to why you ticked like.

TL/DR language is a tool , money is a tool - we use these tools to be Human . One of the activities we use money and language for is gaming
 

Nobina

Posts: 2,953   +2,716
Why are people upvoting these arguments ?- please engage your critical thinking .

So apparently this construct of a cryptocoin has intrinsic and absolute worth independent of humans .

Human Activities like gaming , being with family , playing sport etc etc produce nothing .

Reduce to the ridiculous - Bitcoins are much better for the environment than human activities. Mining Bitcoins is not Human Activity like Gaming

So we mine these wonderful things using the same power as say Argentina uses -
Then we don't spend them for human activities like gaming.

Do you also believe that you just made $100 when you buy a $1000 pair of Yeezys for $900.

Come on guys please lift your game - Happy to hear your argument as to why you ticked like.

TL/DR language is a tool , money is a tool - we use these tools to be Human . One of the activities we use money and language for is gaming
Bruv, miners can fund cancer research with their profit therefore mining is beneficial for the human race, essential even.
 

terzaerian

Posts: 662   +923
Why are people upvoting these arguments ?- please engage your critical thinking .

So apparently this construct of a cryptocoin has intrinsic and absolute worth independent of humans .

Human Activities like gaming , being with family , playing sport etc etc produce nothing .

Reduce to the ridiculous - Bitcoins are much better for the environment than human activities. Mining Bitcoins is not Human Activity like Gaming

So we mine these wonderful things using the same power as say Argentina uses -
Then we don't spend them for human activities like gaming.

Do you also believe that you just made $100 when you buy a $1000 pair of Yeezys for $900.

Come on guys please lift your game - Happy to hear your argument as to why you ticked like.

TL/DR language is a tool , money is a tool - we use these tools to be Human . One of the activities we use money and language for is gaming
Someone call Rold Gold because we've just invented a new form of intellectual pretzel knots here.

If you're going to bring out climate change carbon credits as a measuring stick by which crypto will be judged, then don't be surprised when the same measuring stick gets brought out against gaming and finds it consumes exponentially more power and finite resources, and produces objectively nothing but self-gratification for the bargain.

You can come back to the table to discuss with the adults once that ridiculous canard has been put away and your position isn't "ban this new technology because I don't understand it and feel inconvenienced by it".
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 266   +228
Someone call Rold Gold because we've just invented a new form of intellectual pretzel knots here.

If you're going to bring out climate change carbon credits as a measuring stick by which crypto will be judged, then don't be surprised when the same measuring stick gets brought out against gaming and finds it consumes exponentially more power and finite resources, and produces objectively nothing but self-gratification for the bargain.

You can come back to the table to discuss with the adults once that ridiculous canard has been put away and your position isn't "ban this new technology because I don't understand it and feel inconvenienced by it".


Thanks for not addressing my arguments.
Do you even know what it means to be Human .
Some big words there -exponentially- why this word ? does gaming power grow exponentially ?- with many moving to phones and quite efficient consoles and TVs - not out driving - really exponentially

objectively!!!!! -say what ? -very subjective statement - Hey gaming like bitcoin can produce ingame currency that you can convert to real money to buy things.

But my main contention - you know the Elephant in the room .

Bitcoins are solely created by your words to buy things like gaming , other human activities that " consumes exponentially more power and finite resources, and produces objectively nothing but self-gratification for the bargain."

Riddle me this what do you use these Coins for ? - hopefully not frivolous things like Human activities -
Speaking of that Canard you mention - I calling your logical abilities for as I see them - if it walks like a duck and speaks like a duck- just so you get it Canard =Duck-- ie your intellectual pretzel logic is a lame duck
 

Mighty Duck

Posts: 171   +117
By the time these cards are actually available at MSRP, Nvidia and AMD (and perhaps Intel) will be announcing their new cards that will put these ones to shame.
 

EdmondRC

Posts: 89   +66
These mid-range RX 6000 and RTX 30 series cards are really where Nvidia is going to lose market share. These mid-range cards still really aren't great for RT, but are able to push 1440p at high frames without the need for DLSS. The 6700 XT honestly seems like it will be on par with the 3070/3060 Ti. My guess is that the coming 6600 XT best the 3060. I'm not saying this because I'm in the AMD camp, I actually went with the RTX 3080 this go around. Just these AMD cards are impressive. I had an RX 5700 XT and while it started out kind of a mess, it ended up being a really great card.
 

amghwk

Posts: 1,001   +891
I'm using a Sapphire Pulse 5700XT card too. A great card indeed. I mostly play at 1440p with all settings set to max. If the game is poorly optimized, I drop down to 1080p at all settings set to max. Runs games at 60fps smoothly. Some games I do run at 4K. Desperados III is butter smooth at 4K @ 60fps.

For me, a smooth minimum 1% fps @ 60fps with Vsync is a must, so I don't mind going down to 1080p. It still looks stunning with quality settings set to ultra or it's equivalent even at this resolution.
 

Irata

Posts: 1,302   +2,084
I wish you the best of luck. I hope that you don't need it.
Thanks, but it turns out I won‘t be needing it.

Taxes are a b if you‘ve worked in two different countries during a calendar year so I guess it was decided for me to postpone getting a new GPU and monitor.
 

Avro Arrow

Posts: 1,012   +1,144
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Thanks, but it turns out I won‘t be needing it.

Taxes are a b if you‘ve worked in two different countries during a calendar year so I guess it was decided for me to postpone getting a new GPU and monitor.
I believe it. Taxes are complicated enough as it is just in one country. More than one? I shudder to think....
 

Avro Arrow

Posts: 1,012   +1,144
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Considering the much lower mining power of the 6800/6800XT compared to Nvidia's offerings, I wonder if these will be profitable enough to warrant purchases by miners (besides the usual scalpers).
The problem is that historically, ATi GPUs have been better for mining because GCN had excellent compute capabilities. So, they have this reputation for being worse for gaming but better for mining. Remember back in 2017 that Polaris was about as easy to find as Bigfoot? I was a big reason why its direct competitor, the GTX 1060, became (and still is) the most widely-used GPU according to Steam. Add to that with TSMC's 7nm production capacity being overloaded by AMD CPUs, GPUs and APUs (for mobile and for consoles), nVidia getting terrible yields from Samsung's 8nm process causing shortages of their own and the increased demand because of Sars-CoV-2. That a PR perfect storm for everyone involved.

Remember that people are people and like in every other way, many are going to be too lazy to do their research and grab Radeon cards because of the assumption that "they're better for mining" in the same way that some people still buy Intel CPUs when they'd be better served by AMD. They just don't know any better.
 

EdmondRC

Posts: 89   +66
Yeah, prices have gotten really out of control, even MSRP prices.

When I built my first computer I put an XFX 7800 GT in it in early 2006. I just looked it up and the MSRP was $449.00. The thing is, I absolutely know I didn't spend that much on it. I purchased it for under $300.00. I guess back then prices discounted faster too. It would have still been a pretty high-end GPU at the time. The 7900 GT and GTX had just released though. Up until the GTX 30 series, I never spent more than $300 on a GPU. I skipped the 20 series. Little better off in this point in my life so I did splurge and get the $700 RTX 3080.