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Watch Live: Microsoft's Build 2013 keynote, Windows 8.1 showcase

By Jos · 32 replies
Jun 26, 2013
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  1. Microsoft is kicking off its annual Build conference in San Francisco’s Moscone Center at 9AM PT / 12PM ET. Among other developer-focused announcements, the company is expected to highlight Windows 8.1, which will address many of the gripes users had...

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  2. For god's sake. I don't have a computer with a touch screen! I have a MOUSE! Give me a start menu that's adequate for my MOUSE!

    Why is that so freakin hard to understand!!! I'm not moving from Windows 7, Microsoft...
    hammer2085 likes this.
  3. Julio Franco

    Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Posts: 7,411   +809

    Developers, developers, developers....
    kuroiei, hammer2085 and aMerkuri like this.
  4. Ballmer is one of my favourite CEOs of all time. He's actually super smart and not too uptight to have some fun.
  5. treeski

    treeski TS Evangelist Posts: 984   +229

    Less QQ; more pew pew.
  6. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,837   +1,180

    Yeah, L2P ffs.
  7. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder This guy again... Posts: 2,198   +593

    So hitting the windows key and typing is hard now? Have you used windows 8 for more than a minute???

    The start menu is not bad, it's quite easy to navigate especially since everything is about enhanced speed so you find what your looking for at a very fast rate. I personally like it, I your not being forced to buy it or use it, but I don't think making the whole "start menu being optimized for touch screen" debate saying it does not work well with a mouse an keyboard when I can see everything I need and find anything in literally seconds.
  8. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Guru Posts: 669   +245

    I watched the first 20 minutes or so. I got to the point where I really didn't wanna keep watching when blowhard kept repeating the lie of how 'important touch is on a desktop computer'. Really...since when? Having touch-capabilities on a desktop computer are ******* irrelevant as far as I am concerned. I couldn't give a frogs-fat-*** LESS if I ever had touch-capabilities on a desktop. I would miss having touch-capabilities on a desktop like missing a silver bullet being removed from my skull. There is zero-percent want from me for touch-capabilities on a desktop computer. Zero-Percent!
    Where are these people that must have touch-capabilities on a desktop...where are they...and who they are....?
    If you are so comfortable using a touch-interface on a desktop then you probably don't actually need a desktop computer. It's logic 101.
    My predictions for an increased uptake of Windows 8.1 on the desktop? FAIL.
  9. After reading the many negative blogs and posts I was prepared to hate Windows 8 until I actually used it for a while. I now find it easier and faster than 7. They added a lot of keyboard shortcuts, it's not just optimized for tablets. The Start screen is really more like the old Quick Launch toolbar, a customizable subset of the Start Menu. Navigating through a small multi-level menu can be tedious compared to tapping the Windows key and typing a couple of letters.
    MS isn't abandoning the 'power users' for the tablet crowd. My system has two monitors and a large number of programs, the Start screen doesn't get in the way at all. Put a shortcut to an Explorer window in Startup if you want to be at the desktop after login. Do any of the whiners know of the many ways to get back to the desktop with just one click or keypress? And live tiles can be quity handy, we used to download free/shareware addons to get some of that functionality.
    I still remember the complaining when Win 95 was released. "Where are my program groups?" "What, I have to click Start to quit Windows??"
    spectrenad likes this.
  10. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Guru Posts: 669   +245

    I love it when the argument to upgrade to Windows 8 starts by saying that you can do everything you did in Windows 7. Okay, now that I know that, what's the "reason" for me to upgrade. You should be telling people what they can do in Windows 8 that they CAN'T do in Windows 7. And then letting them decide whether it really matters or not. The fact that Windows 8 boots a little faster than Windows 7 is not a compelling reason for me to upgrade. It is a compelling reason for tablet users, however, where booting up multiple times daily is more likely than on a desktop.

    And on to your other point....Oh God yes. I dread having to launch applications on my Windows 7 system. Sometimes I just lay in my bed each morning and I wake up thinking, "Oh God, do I really have to navigate a multi-level menu again today to launch my favorite application? God, please tell me it isn't so. God please!!!! But then I suddenly remember that Windows 7 has shortcuts and a search menu and realize all my worry was for nothing.

    You keep rehashing a ******** theory that most of the whiners hating on Windows 8 haven't used it. It's not really true. All live tiles do for me is exacerbate my attention deficit disorder. Microsoft says they want users to be more focused, therefore, they limit the new interface to two open windows but they want me to keep track of a plethora of live tiles. They can't even make up their minds what the hell they are trying to get people to do. Focus or keep up to date with 40 different apps each time an app farts. Yeah, that will increase productivity.

    Windows 8 was and still is a tablet operating system first, a desktop operating system last. That probably isn't going to change at this point. Until the balance of power shifts back to the desktop being the primary focus of the Windows family of operating systems, in deeds(and not just rhetoric) I will not be moving from where I am.

    If I ever do decide to buy my own tablet(for road trips, college classes) Im gonna go with an Android tablet just to ***** Ballmer and Microsoft over for having done this to me.
    So, it is really a lose-lose situation for Microsoft from my point of view.

    They have betrayed their loyal customer base of the past 20 years. They obviously do not comprehend the definition of the word loyalty.
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  11. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,837   +1,180

    I think that's the first misnomer right there. 'Upgrade'. They should never have called this Windows 8, they should have called it Windows Metro (yeah, I know 'Metro' was already trademarked) but they should have made it clear it wasn't a successor to Windows 7. Sure, the searching is better, the task manager is better, there are other misc improvements, but the experience is so different that it's more of a horizontal shift than a vertical one.

    The big question is then, what do new PCs ship with? Win 7 or Windows Metro (8)? Do we give people an option? Will they support Win7 longer then? There's a benefit to having a single latest OS version. But I think they drifted too far away from Win 7 for 8 to be an 'upgrade' The tiles and new interface should have an option you can turn on and off. It has started this whole market segment of touch screen ultrabooks... and I've used them, they're slick and cool, but it feels weird reaching out and touching your laptop screen. The Surface gets touch right, but it doesn't seem to translate well to your average laptop.
  12. There may be no good reason for most Win 7 users. Read my post again, I was not an argument to uprgade.

    I upgraded because it was $40, a deal MS pered of last year. I wanted to test some of our company's programs on the new platform. At today's high price I probably would not upgrade, although there is a feature that I use a lot that was only available in Win 7 Ultimate - dual monitor support for remote desktop. There is also improved task scheduling with multicore processors, which of course is unrelated to the interface changes.
    Keep rehashing? In one post? I, like you, don't know what "most" people in the world are saying, just the ones that I personally know who have dismissed Win 8 without using it for more than a few minutes.
    Windows 7 is quite easy to use. I just find 8 somewhat easier. Especially with multi monitors, which is not typical for most users.
    spectrenad likes this.
  13. MAD JOE

    MAD JOE TS Rookie

    AGAIN - Where is the START Button ? I need Start/RUN/cmd Not this BS this guys is showing us. IT IS all Cosmetic. oh the pretty colors we can now do. BIG DEAL. YES and GAMERS need a Keyboard and MOUSE - Try playing Call of Duty an World of TANKS, Warcraft but touching your screen. Especially in combat, EPIC FAIL
  14. GhostRyder

    GhostRyder This guy again... Posts: 2,198   +593

    Ok besides the typical highlighting the mouse at the bottom left corner of the screen, ill show you an easy way to do that.

    Windows key, type cmd, hit enter. Command prompt open
    Ctrl+r, then type cmd, hit enter, voila

    Dont tell me that there's no command prompt, I just opened it in a second on my desktop and surface pro to double check.
    spectrenad likes this.
  15. Nobina

    Nobina TS Evangelist Posts: 1,135   +624

    Can I use the same Windows 8 drivers for Windows 8.1? It's just a patch, right?
  16. Julio Franco

    Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Posts: 7,411   +809

    Yes, same drivers. On the very core of the OS not much has changed.
    Nobina likes this.
  17. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    The Windows Kernel was modified to a new version as if it was a new OS though. It is the same though.
    Nobina likes this.
  18. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,481   +44

    You do know that most people are bandwagoners and haven't actually touched a windows 8 device yet?
  19. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,162   +3,260

    This bandwagoner doesn't plan on touching a Windows 8 device either. The images of Windows 8 across my Windows 7 monitor is more than I want to bare.
    Jad Chaar and St1ckM4n like this.
  20. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Guru Posts: 669   +245

    And this does what to change the fact that Windows 8 is top-heavy touch-oriented UI that was forced upon people who were extremely happy with what already exists on their desktops? Okay, so convince us holdouts that the Windows 8 UI, I.e., Metro...I mean "MODERN"(yeah, that sounds so much cooler) UI is worth using on a DESKTOP...Your message is so generic when you use the word Windows 8 "device" we have no idea what device you are championing. Hell, it may be the most wonderful thing since sliced bread on a tablet or a cellphone. But that's not where the most contention lies. So, your comment carries almost no weight to convince anybody of anything. You might as well have said nothing and it would have had the same impact. You do have a reason for taking the time to post on these forums I assume and that is to sway people one way or another? I know what it is...you just wanted a little love....*BigFatClown gives LinkedKube a big fat bear hug*

    The question that needs to be answered is, "Is Windows 8 worth upgrading to from Windows 7 Ultimate on a ....(drum roll please)...DESKTOP?". The answer is a deafening HELL NAH. Ain't gonna happen here.

    Now go back to your tablet and finish your tweeting or whatever is that you do with your index finger. Just keep it to yourself. I don't need to know.
  21. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    You should try Linux because in 2020, Win 7 loses support and you will be stuck with a Win8 like experience.
  22. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,481   +44

    Nerd rage much? Go back and try to find a single post about me "championing" about windows 8

    I never called it modern. I never defended or attempted to defend windows 8. My hardware runs win 7 but that doesn't mean I didn't have to learn win 8.

    You went on a half page rant about a single sentence I posted, in which wasn't even directed towards you. I'm interested in cliffords response. In fact, who the F* are you, and when did you get on this forum. I'll stop here and let go the idea of entertaining you any further. And you helped do nothing other than prove my point, which was directed towards another member and you had just jump on the bandwagon, even though no one could give too much of a damn how upset you are about windows 8.

    You don't have to like windows 8, I will say that you seem really angry though. My advise is to join the dev team over at M$ or sthu and enjoy your windows 7, and/or go back over to Anandtech or w/e you weirdo's come from.

    Oh btw you can add me on twitter. You'd be my first follower.
  23. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Guru Posts: 669   +245

    A half page rant huh? Oh, you must be reading this on a tablet. That comment would make sense then.

    You made this statement in a public forum:
    "You do know that most people are bandwagoners and haven't actually touched a windows 8 device yet?"

    If you didn't realize you were participating in a forum discussion maybe you should re-visit the definition of a public forum.

    I really don't give a frogs fat *** who it was directed at. It's a red herring fallacy that people use to try and trick people into installing Windows 8, thinking that if they do they will eventually just fall in love with it.

    Jumped on the bandwagon again huh? :) So your sticking with that one? Okay then... ;)
  24. LinkedKube

    LinkedKube TechSpot Project Baby Posts: 3,481   +44

    "A half page rant huh? Oh, you must be reading this on a tablet. That comment would make sense then."

    I'll let this one slide since its clear you have no idea how tablets work. I'll give you a hint. Nothing like etch a sketch.
    Yes we can put it in a rant category. You managed to tag along a bunch of reason's why people should hate windows 8 to a one liner that I posted, and you also managed to take a simple question out of context. If you're going to attempt to try to answer a question that was for clifford in the first place at least don't respond to it in a way that that makes me think you got caught on the wrong end of the learning curve.

    Oh and yes this is a public forum, I bet that makes you happy. How long did you last at your last forum before they ran you off.

    I'm just a little baffled at your original post. How did you get all that, out of one sentence.

    Oh I get it. I scream ROY G BIV and you pull out your box of 64 color crayolas swearing that its my fault you can't find the green that you need.
  25. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,499   +2,295

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