Weekend Open Forum: What kind of monitor do you use?

[Lionvibez]

Ha ha..... good eye eye sure this is an ancient 03.14. 2014 necro thread to be in the 10.01.2016 weekend open forum here .

I must have missed the dates .

TBH I started out with DOS and windows 3.0 when you could still buy new 386/33Mhz IBM AT clones
I had a nearly new 386/33 so that makes me nearly older than dirt PC wise ☺☺

You are not that old

My first was a 286/12 Packard bell computer.

 

[bluto 2050]

Lionvibez,

Sure I'm old ,retired also . I was able to retire decently (not hundred millions rich but normal person OK ) well before 65 which I haven't reached just yet but will soon and collect more money I don't need to keep away from the taxman soon and leave to the family in a trust eventually .

U belive I got this necro thread in my e mail today before I replied the first time ,the tech spot email bots must be going nuts ☺

I think we had 286/16 IBM AT PC's at work on Unix -custom Unix Solaris after networked IBM dumb terminals .

We usually had new IBM ,DEC then DELL Unix / Unix Solaris fixed asset HDWE every 3 years in the field and moved to SAP/ SAP A.I. on Unix all scaled up to big iron on our satellite links.

We had MS Windows NT and so on for the *some stuff , mostly sales ,MS Office ,PP and Excel ,employee training ,the web and public Kiosks ,our thinkpad laptops and what not but the core business ,business management and operations wasn't on windows at any multinational I worked at through 2007.

 

[captaincranky]

HP ZR24w
16:10
1920x1200
24' S-IPS
60hz
8-bit Panel

@Lionvibes I just noticed this post, ( after two years, duh ). I have the very same monitor, and yeah, they're beauties! Nice &bright, with great color.

 

[Raoul Duke]

I recently picked up for my Dad an Asus MX27AQ. They claim it's flicker free and has a blue light filter which you can use. It uses an 2560x1440 AH-IPS screen. I don't know what it is, but whenever I look at it, it is like my eyes go "Ah, that's really more comfortable". It is so noticeable I wish I could have gotten another of the same monitor
Anyone else notice the same effect on the eyes with newer monitor models and/or what might be the cause (so I know what to look for in next monitor) Still using Dell U2412M, 1920x1200. IPS 16:10. Guessing roughly 5 years old now.

 

[captaincranky]

For whatever reason, monitors come from the factory set to a very bluish tint. 6300+ Kelvin). The first thing I do is set them to "daylight" 5500 Kelvin or thereabouts. Many monitors have an even "warmer" setting, but it mostly useless for accurate color rendition with photo imaging apps.

Assuming a monitor has a sufficient color gamut, you should be able to get color which is pleasing to you, simply by using the RGB controls.

TV broadcasters and I suppose many websites, have their own interpretation of what the "color should look like". Film makers also use film's quirks to set mood via color temperature.

I don't know as you need to have "blue filter" to set pleasing color. I imagine it's an easier and faster way of getting there.

Although, and I'm extremely reluctant to admit this, I don't know it all. No, strike that, I do know it all...

 

[Raoul Duke]

Thanks for that @captaincranky
sure enough I went into the monitor's settings and after drilling down some menu's, default is 6500K. Unfortunately there are 3 or 4 options for between 1000K to 9000K so I went into the videeo cards settings and under 'display settings' (not color settings) there is a nice slider. Trying out 5500K for the moment. FWIW the blue filter on his monitor has 4 or 5 levels and has to be turned on manually. It really, really changes the colour so he is using the monitor as is.

 

[bluto 2050]

For whatever reason, monitors come from the factory set to a very bluish tint. 6300+ Kelvin). The first thing I do is set them to "daylight" 5500 Kelvin or thereabouts. Many monitors have an even "warmer" setting, but it mostly useless for accurate color rendition with photo imaging apps.

Assuming a monitor has a sufficient color gamut, you should be able to get color which is pleasing to you, simply by using the RGB controls.

TV broadcasters and I suppose many websites, have their own interpretation of what the "color should look like". Film makers also use film's quirks to set mood via color temperature.

I don't know as you need to have "blue filter" to set pleasing color. I imagine it's an easier and faster way of getting there.

Although, and I'm extremely reluctant to admit this, I don't know it all. No, strike that, I do know it all...

6500K or 65D is ~daylight equivalent white color temp although daylight can reach 11,000 NITS no TV or PC or production /color grading panels outside of professional DV color grading panels can remotely approach that .

65D (6500K) color temp or ~238 RGB white video level below clipping is considered a proper 4:2:0 Chroma video content and PC web content /HDTV calibration white level ,whereas higher 255 cool white video levels may be more commonly used for PC gaming and some editing especially with 4:4:4 content Chroma levels and full RGB 0 -255 content video levels .

Photography may be different like HDR photography is different from HDR TV and video,.
but my understanding is Photoshop on a PC normally uses full RGB 0-255 video levels and 4:4:4 Chroma which would include 65D or more within all that .

Color temperatures over 5000 K are called cool colors (bluish white), while lower color temperatures (2700–3000 K) are called warm colors (yellowish white through red).[1] This relation, however, is a psychological one in contrast to the physical relation implied by Wien's displacement law, according to which the spectral peak is shifted towards shorter wavelengths (resulting in a more blueish white) for higher temperatures

-Wikipdia -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature[/quote]


HDTV ,DVD and BD are mastered to bt709 /100 NITS and an average movie theater is ~ 45 UNITS hence the need for dark/black walls to keep light reflections from walls off the screen .

Full HDR TV is ~ 800 -1200 NIT brightness highlights and most PC screens are 300 NIT or less . HDTV t can range from ~200 NIT to 400 NIT ,Consumer HDR TV and media content is mastered (up to ) 1000 NITS .

ATSC ,( other regional HDTV broadcasts in general and 4K SDR ) ,Blue Ray ,modern DVD and other HDTV formats and many content websites use bt709 8 bit color and 4:2:0 chroma video levels at 100 NIT content mastering and 65D white color temp .


The 4:2:0 SD/HDTV/SDR 4K consumer content is mastered accordingly to bt709 and TV sets and PC displays (outside of wide color gamut ) ideally should be calibrated to bt709 or RGB .016--~238 video levels . bt709 is an 8 bit color ITU standard as is ATSC .bt.709 white is D65 or 6500 K https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_color_space

OTOH there is often creative licence within the bt709 or wider color spaces hence blue or sepia tinted movies or warm or cool video for 4 examples ..

Digital theater packages for theaters , HDR content and mastering & UHD Blue Ray ,HDR10 and DV and downloads are mastered to DCI P-3 10 bit color for wide color gamut HDR TV's and movie theaters . The old scan line NTSC SDTV was a narrower color gamut

There are no films left in mainstream movie /TV production / distribution and theaters although some movies may be filmed and digitally re mastered to a 2K intermediate or something below a 4K intermediate ~ 3.5 K for 35mm . Some 4K consumer content is only upscaled from a 2K intermediate also........ it's caveat emptor when buying 4K content which can be (up to ) 4K at HDR _10 / HDR DV or both like a UHD HDR WCG BD from the production digital intermediate to the media ☺

OTOH my 4K Sony Triluminous wide color gamut XBR HDR TV can competently upscale & remaster 8 bit bt709 HDTV to a convincing nearly DCI-P3 10 bit wide color gamut for the wide color gamut 10 bit panel.and it looks real good.

Regular 8 bit color gamut and some 10 bit conventional LED /LCD panels for PC and HDTV and SDR 4K can't make good colors or primaries due to the conventional LED light spectrum a wide color gamut LED panel gets around that . We can see 14 bit color so TV and PC's have a long way to go .☺

 

[captaincranky]

6500K or 65D is ~daylight equivalent white color temp although daylight can reach 11,000 NITS no TV or PC or production /color grading panels outside of professional DV color grading panels can remotely approach that .

65D (6500K) color temp or ~238 RGB white video level below clipping is considered a proper 4:2:0 Chroma video content and PC web content /HDTV calibration white level ,whereas higher 255 cool white video levels may be more commonly used for PC gaming and some editing especially with 4:4:4 content Chroma levels and full RGB 0 -255 content video levels .

Photography may be different like HDR photography is different from HDR TV and video,.
but my understanding is Photoshop on a PC normally uses full RGB 0-255 video levels and 4:4:4 Chroma which would include 65D or more within all that .

-Wikipdia -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature[/quote]

HDTV ,DVD and BD are mastered to bt709 /100 NITS and an average movie theater is ~ 45 UNITS hence the need for dark/black walls to keep light reflections from walls off the screen .

Full HDR TV is ~ 800 -1200 NIT brightness highlights and most PC screens are 300 NIT or less . HDTV t can range from ~200 NIT to 400 NIT ,Consumer HDR TV and media content is mastered (up to ) 1000 NITS .

ATSC ,( other regional HDTV broadcasts in general and 4K SDR ) ,Blue Ray ,modern DVD and other HDTV formats and many content websites use bt709 8 bit color and 4:2:0 chroma video levels at 100 NIT content mastering and 65D white color temp .


The 4:2:0 SD/HDTV/SDR 4K consumer content is mastered accordingly to bt709 and TV sets and PC displays (outside of wide color gamut ) ideally should be calibrated to bt709 or RGB .016--~238 video levels . bt709 is an 8 bit color ITU standard as is ATSC .bt.709 white is D65 or 6500 K https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RGB_color_space

OTOH there is often creative licence within the bt709 or wider color spaces hence blue or sepia tinted movies or warm or cool video for 4 examples ..

Digital theater packages for theaters , HDR content and mastering & UHD Blue Ray ,HDR10 and DV and downloads are mastered to DCI P-3 10 bit color for wide color gamut HDR TV's and movie theaters . The old scan line NTSC SDTV was a narrower color gamut

There are no films left in mainstream movie /TV production / distribution and theaters although some movies may be filmed and digitally re mastered to a 2K intermediate or something below a 4K intermediate ~ 3.5 K for 35mm . Some 4K consumer content is only upscaled from a 2K intermediate also........ it's caveat emptor when buying 4K content which can be (up to ) 4K at HDR _10 / HDR DV or both like a UHD HDR WCG BD from the production digital intermediate to the media ☺

OTOH my 4K Sony Triluminous wide color gamut XBR HDR TV can competently upscale & remaster 8 bit bt709 HDTV to a convincing nearly DCI-P3 10 bit wide color gamut for the wide color gamut 10 bit panel.and it looks real good.

Regular 8 bit color gamut and some 10 bit conventional LED /LCD panels for PC and HDTV and SDR 4K can't make good colors or primaries due to the conventional LED light spectrum a wide color gamut LED panel gets around that . We can see 14 bit color so TV and PC's have a long way to go .☺

That's nice.

For the past 5 decades at least, color film has been balanced for A daylight rating of 5600K. (I was off by 100K, my bad). Now, you can run on about all the standards you like. The people that make the TV shows, balance color, and select color temperatures, to convey emotion.

So, they ship with a 6500K daylight. Funny thing though, nobody can stand it. The color temp defaults up to 9000K, are even more absurd.

So, what the heck does the monitor industry do then? Oh, they tack on "blue filters" to give people the relief of getting rid of the dreadful and cold color rendition they're confronted with each time they turn on their monitor.

Adobe does use a full gamut which is wider than the standard RGB color. But, good luck and lots of money finding a monitor which will reproduce it. When I balance a photo for "wallpaper", more often than not, it will be "too warm", and, "too saturated", just the way most everybody would enjoy viewing it. I suppose if I were going to print the same image I could always go back to "6500K" so the "profile" would match that of the printer..

In the meantime, if you just want to look at your monitor in normal room lighting, set the color temp to around 5500K, and spare yourself that nasty too blue headache.

And BTW, for future reference I have an associates degree in photography, which pretty much encompasses most to all of this topic.

PS, and extra good luck trying to find out what exactly what "the white point is, while watching commercial TV. It's whatever makes the white wash look "as white as can be imagined", and as warm as it needs to be to convince you that the fireplace at, "Joe Blow's Ski Lodge", is warmer than anywhere else in the mountains!

 

[Techstar]

LCD with LED back lighting. IPS.

 

[totto2222]

I've been using a Samsung S34E790C 34 inch curved wqhd ultra wide 3440 x 1440 for 2 years and I have too say you would have to pry this away from me !!
it takes a beefy card to run it though,gtx980ti or newer but it never hiccups on games and doom looks sweet at max everything

 

[bluto 2050]

Nothing elaborate just a nondescript Black Acer G6 G276HL Gbd 27-Inch 1080p VA panel LCD Monitor though the pixel density is very similar to my 55" 2016 QDOT 4K HDR 1000 Samsung UN 55 KS8000 TV on the other end of an HDMI cable from this PC for a 2160p extended windows 10 desktop but that TV can HDR brightness highlight peak to 1474 NIT power (1474 cd/m2) and get this , 1332 cd/m2 on SDR TV like 1080p and tone map to 6000 NIT and a billion 10 bit colors and turn night into day ,all with good color volume to toast your retinas and play the eye candy , SWBF is way cool on that one trus`me bros,it's still one of the brightest TV in 2017 with a good picture to go with that,it's off the hook

ppffftt haven't seen any PC monitors that can do all that brightness with good color volume like the TV I had binned for that Samsung direct FA01 panel > 7000:1 contrast ultra black ,ultra clear moth eye VA panel and if they have one like that for a PC it's probably a small kings ransom and not 7000 : 1 Contrast , that bad boy is a real off the hook screen day or night but not a swift competitive gaming panel ,it's still only a TV in that respect .but it's faster than I can play anyway it does 4:4:4 @ 120Hz.

I only put up the game/.drive sim PC box in here to this HDR monster TV in my man cave/home office a couple of times .

The core i7/Nvidea d/GPU game /drive sim PC and G27 wheel is in a dedicated room with 2.1 ~ reference quality music where everyone likes to hang out and only a pedestrian 2014 Sony Bravia 40" 1080p TV in there for 1080p ultra gaming and windows 10 ,this TV would be a riot in in there and the family cinema room has the 2015 Sony XBR 4K HDR TV that ues to be in here but that thing ain't nothing like this Samung NIT monster but it's decent .

This newish PC is just a pedestrian 2016 HP mid tower with clean windows 10 on an SSD ,a nude Haswell core i5 /IGPU thats only good for maybe Candy Crush Soda to game on ha ha