Weekend Open Forum: What's your take on the Xbox Scorpio and PlayStation Neo?

[Darran]

"What do you think their 4K capabilities will be? Could the possible lack of exclusive titles affect their success? Is 4K the absolute pinnacle of gaming, or would the consoles' resources be better used in other ways? And would you consider buying one if the price was right?"

4K capability will be limited to upscaling and as most 4k tv's have horrible input lag I would rather stay 60fps 1080p until 4k is cheaper and better. Exclusives wouldn't hurt as most games are cheaper and better on pc but if you mean neo and scorpio exclusives they would divide the market. 4k is too small of a market to focus on and I personally think they should focus on something else. If neo is cheap enough (300$) I would buy it to play bloodborne with 60fps.

I would assume this is all based off AMD's next gen cpu's and gpu chips. To define next gen I mean by the die shrink AMD is getting ready to release, 16nm? production. I would expect maybe something close to AMD 480 graphics, maybe a little bit slower. Though power draw of consoles is limited to mabye 250 watts to 350?, so that will be the biggest limiting factor of the system. But I'd assume that if the directx 12, closer-to-the-metal drivers are more refined for the consoles it could be as fast as the 480 for pc. Not to mention AMD's cpu performance increase from the die shrink, you looking at a fast mini pc. Now keep in mind 2k 60fps was surpassed 2 gens ago for gpu's, a rough way of putting it, but for the 480 to do 4k is not a problem.

 

[Darran]

All the consoles are AMD machines, with individual tweak for Sony and xbox. Now AMD has finally gone through a die shrink both with the cpu's and the gpu's. Since AMD 480 graphics is a die shrink so it's performance would be what you consider as something that these new consoles will be close to. 4k is no problem for the 480. Now the real bonus is the cpu performace increase. That's still unknown, but it should be about twice as fast as what is currently in consoles. The biggest limiting factor for consoles is the power supply. For a console to fit in a small box it need a small power supply and I think they are limited to something between 250watts to 350watts (check newegg list of small PSU's), and since the new consoles represent AMD's next gen APU's (cpu with a gpu on the same die) that's not out yet but soon, that's the performance they will be getting.

In short AMD is expected to be competitive with Intel when they release there next gen CPU. That tech will be used to make their APU, AMD APU's are currently used to make all the consoles people use now. These next gen APU will indeed kick some ***, and the console market will love it.

 

[Mithan]

I think its great we are getting new consoles, the current ones are gutless.

That being said, I want them to stick with systems that are 100% backwards compatable in the future, like your Cell Phone or Tablet, re-using the OS or improving it. Clearly, that is the way they are going, which is great news for gamers.

 

[CaptainTom]

The performance difference between the PS4K and X2 is going to be like the difference between the X1 and PS4 (Except now XBOX is stronger).

The difference is that the PS4K will be launching some time between October and March while X2 is launching late next year. Thus the PS4K will be launching MUCH sooner than its competition, and therefore the X2 is completely screwed imo.

PS4K has tons of games, VR, and a $349 - $399 pricepoint. It will sell like hotcakes, and by the time X2 launches at $399 no one will care. That's the truth.



As for the OG X1 / PS4: The PS4 should be $250, and the X1 should be $200 by the time the PS4K launches.

 

[hover389]

This is severely underpowered compared to my core i7 3770k custom rig. I never did like consoles

Wow a console thats less powerful than a PC? Who would've guessed??????????

This is severely underpowered compared to my core i7 3770k custom rig. I never did like consoles

Wow a console thats less powerful than a PC? Who would've guessed??????????

This is severely underpowered compared to my core i7 3770k custom rig. I never did like consoles

Wow a console thats less powerful than a PC? Who would've guessed??????????

Its also a console more powerful than many PCs. There are many different pcs some weak some powerful. It makes no sense to compare a console that's $400- $500 and compare it to a PC that's twice as expensive or more. Compare a PC with the same amount of graphical power as a console and look at the prices. That is a fair comparison

 

[liammac002]

Its also a console more powerful than many PCs. There are many different pcs some weak some powerful. It makes no sense to compare a console that's $400- $500 and compare it to a PC that's twice as expensive or more. Compare a PC with the same amount of graphical power as a console and look at the prices. That is a fair comparison

Thats true, but he only told us the cpu he had, which doesnt really matter that much performance wise, but based on the fact that its a high end cpu, I'm guessing it also has a high end gpu. Plus these things arent even out yet so its hard to say whether his pc is actually any faster than either of the consoles.

 

[Shayne]

Anyone expecting a high end console at a cheap price is living in a dream world, with the project Scorpio I am expecting a high end console at a high end price and that's being realistic. The XBOX 360 was around the $1000 mark when it first came out and people are expecting to do better at a lower price? this would result in manufacturing a low end console. C'mon wake up people , when you look at putting together the world's most powerful console (Scorpio) with a 6 teraflop card for "TRUE" 4k gaming and 8 CPU cores etc etc then at least take in to account the cost of the components and manufacturing a high end unit in comparison with most high end PC's built for 4k gaming , this is bang for your buck even if it costs a bit more which I'm happy to pay. The let down for playstation fans is that the XBOX SCORPIO will over shadow the playstation pro / neo in performance as 4 teraflop GPU cards will not have enough grunt for true 4k gaming thus will struggle at the best of times when the demand for 4k games from developers increases over the life span of the current gen console leaving playstation gamers in the dark with a half assed console at a half assed price more focused on V.R than 4K which in my opinion is probably fantastic in most Asian countries like Japan etc but as for the rest of the gaming world it's more of a gimmick that might not take off if there is not enough demand for developers making it pointless to spend the coin coding games for V.R , as V.R has been around for a while now it hasn't taken off in the gaming console market despite the availability to do so as the demand simply isn't there.