Weekend tech reading: Start button isn't coming back to Windows 8
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If anyone needed some more proof that people are scared of change, here we are. Heck, it seems that some people are pissing themselves because of Metro... 
Anyways, for the people who think this OS will bomb, maybe on desktops/laptops (I personally doubt that). But on tablets, it seems perfect.
So no, this won't be the end of Windows or MS.
Anyways, for the people who think this OS will bomb, maybe on desktops/laptops (I personally doubt that). But on tablets, it seems perfect.
So no, this won't be the end of Windows or MS.
spectrenad
Posts: 98 +18
ppl cry for change and innovation, but when someone goes ahead try something new, everyone blame him... just download the addon if you want your start button back, its simple and free...
Zen
Posts: 763 +49
We may not be ankle deep yet with so called "change" and "innovation", but the flood is coming. Like it or not "everything changes"! I've been doing this since Windows 95, I've seen changes that people approved of and disapproved of with every Operating System that Microsoft has pumped out. Change is just a fact of life, some might not like it, some may welcome it, but change is going to happen one way or the other.
Granted I'm an "old school" person when it comes to computing, even I have from time to time have had difficulty with changes. I can't name them all, but I've had my gripes with every Operating System that was released, I just kind of had to either "roll with it" or "learn how it works and change it myself"! I hate to admit it here folks, like it or not, the era of the P.C. is almost over. Now they got tablets and pads that can almost do everything that once upon a time was only exclusive to a personal computer. They got smart phones right now that do more computing than say Windows 95 and Windows 98 and maybe Windows M.E. put together. The hardware is getting smaller, the technology is getting smarter, and soon I'm afraid the need to host an Operating System on something that is big, bulky, not easily transportable, sometimes hard to work on, the cost to run, those things alone will soon exempt the need for a P.C. and will usher in the mega need for iPads, Tablets, touch computers, it's going to happen!
To be honest, I've tried to keep a open mind when it comes to just realizing that change is a foot. I've done research, looked up stuff and talked to others about the current and up coming changes in the world of computers, most agree, the days of the big computer are slowly coming to a close. So if the P.C. either by choice or by circumstance is being "phased out", than their is nothing anyone of us can do about it!
So Windows is leaning now towards touch styled computers and tablets and pads, the "start button" now will be a thing of the past, probably to never return, I don't like it, but I will have but no choice to learn how to deal with it. This will hurt me a little, for I am only Microsoft Certified with all of the Windows 2000 platforms, I've lived inside the "comfort zone" of the Windows 2000 platform, the Windows XP platform and the Windows Vista platform, this whole new approach in regards to Operating Systems will force my hand to either just stick with what I know and only service computers with older Operating Systems on them, or I will be forced to have to go back to college and either add onto my degree and or take certification courses and hope and pray I pass the tests. But if I choose to only service computers with older Operating Systems on them, this eventually will mark the end of my own computer business. For the older Operating Systems will slowly fall off to the way side and will be replaced with the current cutting edge systems, if I don't learn the new stuff, eventually I will have to close my doors and I will be forced to join the regular work force and no longer be my own business owner, company C.E.O. and daily C.O.O.
Again, I'm not to happy with the changes, even while trying to be open minded to it all. This could impact me in ways that will be more important than simply complaining about a stupid "start button"!
*Zen shuts up now, rant is over*
Granted I'm an "old school" person when it comes to computing, even I have from time to time have had difficulty with changes. I can't name them all, but I've had my gripes with every Operating System that was released, I just kind of had to either "roll with it" or "learn how it works and change it myself"! I hate to admit it here folks, like it or not, the era of the P.C. is almost over. Now they got tablets and pads that can almost do everything that once upon a time was only exclusive to a personal computer. They got smart phones right now that do more computing than say Windows 95 and Windows 98 and maybe Windows M.E. put together. The hardware is getting smaller, the technology is getting smarter, and soon I'm afraid the need to host an Operating System on something that is big, bulky, not easily transportable, sometimes hard to work on, the cost to run, those things alone will soon exempt the need for a P.C. and will usher in the mega need for iPads, Tablets, touch computers, it's going to happen!
To be honest, I've tried to keep a open mind when it comes to just realizing that change is a foot. I've done research, looked up stuff and talked to others about the current and up coming changes in the world of computers, most agree, the days of the big computer are slowly coming to a close. So if the P.C. either by choice or by circumstance is being "phased out", than their is nothing anyone of us can do about it!
So Windows is leaning now towards touch styled computers and tablets and pads, the "start button" now will be a thing of the past, probably to never return, I don't like it, but I will have but no choice to learn how to deal with it. This will hurt me a little, for I am only Microsoft Certified with all of the Windows 2000 platforms, I've lived inside the "comfort zone" of the Windows 2000 platform, the Windows XP platform and the Windows Vista platform, this whole new approach in regards to Operating Systems will force my hand to either just stick with what I know and only service computers with older Operating Systems on them, or I will be forced to have to go back to college and either add onto my degree and or take certification courses and hope and pray I pass the tests. But if I choose to only service computers with older Operating Systems on them, this eventually will mark the end of my own computer business. For the older Operating Systems will slowly fall off to the way side and will be replaced with the current cutting edge systems, if I don't learn the new stuff, eventually I will have to close my doors and I will be forced to join the regular work force and no longer be my own business owner, company C.E.O. and daily C.O.O.
Again, I'm not to happy with the changes, even while trying to be open minded to it all. This could impact me in ways that will be more important than simply complaining about a stupid "start button"!
*Zen shuts up now, rant is over*
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"Start button isn't coming back to Windows 8", in a related story "Users not migrating to Windows 8 and are staying on previous versions or migrating to other OS's".
Mister_K
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Guest said:
If anyone needed some more proof that people are scared of change, here we are. Heck, it seems that some people are pissing themselves because of Metro...
Anyways, for the people who think this OS will bomb, maybe on desktops/laptops (I personally doubt that). But on tablets, it seems perfect.
So no, this won't be the end of Windows or MS.
They could of simply had two versions. Have 1 version on 1 disc and another on the other. Have it purchase as a whole thing and you can either install one or the other.
Why you may ask? Well its waste of space for those who want W8 but not the metro UI :3
Metro UI does seem great for the tablet/mobile market but not for the desktop.
Microsoft didn't want to create 2 OS versions. They wanted to go the 1 size fits all approach. Going that approach don't always work to well. What may work for smartphones and tablets, my not work for PC's. I tried out W8 and particularly didn't like it. They should give the customer options instead of saying, "This is the way it's going to be, deal with it." Forcing change is not always a good thing. We already seen some of Microsoft's bad apples. No reason why a customer needs to get help from a 3rd party to put back the Start Button when Microsoft should of given the customer the option of keeping it.
I don't mind change but give people options first. Let people work into that change. There was no dire need to remove the Start Button.
I don't mind change but give people options first. Let people work into that change. There was no dire need to remove the Start Button.
treetops
Posts: 3,064 +784
I don't understand why they give people a excuse to try another os. People will think no start button hmm maybe I should try a mac for my next computer.
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to clarify people are used to the regular windows but its going to change so much they can hardly recognize it, why not try something new since it will be just as hard to learn as the new windows? long time customers of pc's like myself have always wanted to try a mac anyways, this is just a nudge in that direction
p.s. as the person above said it will ship with a start button I bet this is some kind of publicity stunt
to try and get me to tell people "hey did you hear the new windows 8 isnt gonna have a start button??"
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to clarify people are used to the regular windows but its going to change so much they can hardly recognize it, why not try something new since it will be just as hard to learn as the new windows? long time customers of pc's like myself have always wanted to try a mac anyways, this is just a nudge in that direction
p.s. as the person above said it will ship with a start button I bet this is some kind of publicity stunt
to try and get me to tell people "hey did you hear the new windows 8 isnt gonna have a start button??"
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I have WIN 8 on a laptop (I'm still debating about trying it on my EP121 tablet).
I'm getting used to METRO (not thrilled with it). I'm a semi-retired Computer professional and have worked on VMS, UNIX, LINUX, and WINDOWS, so my opinions are from a technology junkie.
I showed WIN 8 to my wife. She is a retired teacher and has used Windows forever. She is a user, and used Office, a program for creating graphic content for Church services and the normal Email and Web surfing.
She is not a techie. Her reaction was "What do I do with this?".
After forcing her to try it, and getting her past the Metro UI, she asked "where is the liitle round thing that shows my programs?"
After trying things for a couple of hours, her comment was "I can't use this."
I'm getting used to METRO (not thrilled with it). I'm a semi-retired Computer professional and have worked on VMS, UNIX, LINUX, and WINDOWS, so my opinions are from a technology junkie.
I showed WIN 8 to my wife. She is a retired teacher and has used Windows forever. She is a user, and used Office, a program for creating graphic content for Church services and the normal Email and Web surfing.
She is not a techie. Her reaction was "What do I do with this?".
After forcing her to try it, and getting her past the Metro UI, she asked "where is the liitle round thing that shows my programs?"
After trying things for a couple of hours, her comment was "I can't use this."
Micro Watt
Posts: 120 +2
Ok, Was this supposed to be like a sarcastic comment? Try a Mac coz of no start button?!
As someone above said, people want innovation and change but when they give you that you start resisting change and threaten to hinder the company sales...
About the start button, I thought this site woulld be filled with tech enthusiasts, who I would have believed were people who, among other things, used keyboard shortcuts extensively to speed up their work. If you do use keyboard shortcuts then the start button should work more or less like it did in Win7 in order to launch apps. Its not like their gonna physically remove the start button from the physical keyboard. It'll still be there...
And another impression I got from reading these comments was that not many have actually tried out the developer or consumer preview. I tried it out and it was fine for me. Granted some things were new, but it would be pointless if they rebuilt windows 7 and called it windows 8. It may be different, but it i not so drastically different that It'll make me want to give up windows for ever...
For those people thinking its going to be bad based on what other people are saying and what u are seeing on pictures, why don't you go, download it and try it your self. Its free and it shud clear up alot of things. Just put it in a virtual machine or dual boot it and try it out. It's not that bad...
o I used both The DP and CP version of win8.
Any everything they are posting is true METRO sucks balls!
I will not use in on a desktop pc ever. I will try windows 8 if and only if I can modify it and hack the crap out of it and disable metro and load a normal start button. As many of said i'm not going to relearn an OS to do simple things. A task that takes 3 clicks in windows 7 is now 8 clicks in Windows 8. When I use windows I don't need to take a hit in my productivity, because Microsoft decides they want to play catch up with Apple I personally don't give a damn. And I will totally just stick to windows 7 until they get their heads out of their asses.
The no start button isn't a biggie. It's two main things: 1. The metro ui interface to the desktop sucks, and 2. It takes longer (more clicks) to do the same task in Windows 7. That's what gets me. I work for a company that switched from a simple program to Microsoft Dynamics A/X. To print in the old program, 2 clicks. In DAX, 7 clicks. It sucks. Microsoft appears to be going the way of the tedious. Not for me. I'll stick with Windows 7, thank you very much.
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Guest
I'm all for "newness", but not having at least the "option" to place the start button back in for (eg) my Mom's computer means that I'll be the one doing support, not Microsoft. No thanks Microsoft.
Stupidest decision ever.
Stupidest decision ever.
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