AMD Radeon 9070 and 9070 XT final specs and official performance benchmarks leaked

Well let's wait a few more days and we'll see. The miracle would be 600 for 9070xt and 500 for 9070, but we know too well that miracle does not happen in real life. We also have to endure scalpers in the first few months so this summer with the summer sale might be a good time to pull the trigger if the price is right.
 
MarcusNumb said:
Well let's wait a few more days and we'll see. The miracle would be 600 for 9070xt and 500 for 9070, but we know too well that miracle does not happen in real life. We also have to endure scalpers in the first few months so this summer with the summer sale might be a good time to pull the trigger if the price is right.
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I don't think scalpers will be an issue. There are leaked photos of pallets of these things being stacked up in retail warehouse since December, AMD has been stockpiling these.

There is really only one way to beat scalpers and that's to flood the market with supply. I said the original 50 series launch was under 100,000 world wide, I saw a source that said that it was likely under 35,000 units world wide which is just absurd to me. I don't think AMD is going to be making the same mistake
 
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yRaz said:
I don't think scalpers will be an issue. There are leaked photos of pallets of these things being stacked up in retail warehouse since December, AMD has been stockpiling these.

There is really only one way to beat scalpers and that's to flood the market with supply. I said the original 50 series launch was under 100,000 world wide, I saw a source that said that it was likely under 35,000 units world wide which is just absurd to me. I don't think AMD is going to be making the same mistake
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Scarcity marketing from Nvidia, most likely. They're abusing their position of power to the maximum.
 
Jesus...and now that 5070 leaks are out suggesting it's 5% faster than a 4070 Super, both the RDNA4 cards should comfortably crush it, at least in raster. I'll still wait to see if the RT performance really has improved enough. If that's true, then it's DLSS4 vs FSR4.

 
yRaz said:
People keep talking about about AMD's launch drivers with Vega like that's still relevant today. Do people even remember WHY AMD got the bad name for drivers? It's a talking point that almost no one remembers where it came from and hasn't been true in almost a decade.
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Come come Pavlov noone mentioned drivers at all. I'm clearly talking about the absence of CUDA.
 
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AMD is going in on iGPUs/APUs, not dGPUs. AMD's 8070S iGPU is said to have 4060 level of performance and with the absurd cost of GPUs lately, I think plenty of people would be happy with that. The chips are also technically MOBILE chips. It means handhelds, laptops, miniPCs. If the future of Desktops are GPUs that cost as much as used car and still can't play modern games then maybe the power play is to just not participate in the highend.

I keep asking people, what experience is at the highend that's worth paying $3000 for? I tend to "dabble" in new games, but most of what I play are EvE, ESO, BGS3 and SM2 over the last 2 years. None of those games warrant spending $3000+ on. Maybe EvE, but that's a unique beast that deserves its own conversation for reasons that apply to very few people. That thing with EvE, is that I can play it 4k120 max settings on a 6700XT
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That would be interesting but unfortunately AMD and OEMs are charging a HUGE plus for these premium iGPUs. The Asus Z13 2025 with the 395+ (8060S iGPU) costs above 2500 euros whereas a laptop with the 4060 costs almost half of that. If AMD is giving us a 4060 class iGPU that costs as much as a laptop with a future 5070 Ti Mobile... well...they're out of luck!

I understand those willing to print CPUs at the 3 or 4nm process must pay a premium, but most companies are charging the "inflation hype + hype that everything must be much more expensive now" which is charging between 2 and 2.5x what it should cost. Of course their earnings go up doing less, but it's our fault as clients, as we are paying that overpriced products and they are happy.

Nvidia is even making 0.5% of the cards with "missing" ROPs and 100% of the cards advertising fake frames or benchmarks as they don't give a f.ck if we don't get what we paid for.

AMD: they are earning a lot with APUs for MS and Sony and Handhelds. As long as they sell some dGPUs they are fine with it, they don't want to mess with MS or Sony! I bet the 9070XT will cost $749 as they goal is not to get cheap nor sell a lot. Why not higher chips? Because it's too expensive, they will lose money and nvidia crushes them. Too much effort and risk. The other chips will sell anyway, if people pay over $1000 for nvidia sh.t, why not something less for AMD's sh.t?

Who could win with this?! Intel. If they release a $499 similar to the 5070's and $599 card similar to 5070 Ti's performance, they could win MASSIVE amounts of buyers and turn the table in their favor.
 
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Come come Pavlov noone mentioned drivers at all. I'm clearly talking about the absence of CUDA.
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No, you clearly were not talking about CUDA. Plenty of people said stuff about drivers, but your post is the first time that CUDA is mentioned
 
AMD's pricing will be tied almost directly to their supply of cards. If they don't have a ton the basic demand for GPUs will allow them to ask and get $750-800 for the XT and a $100 less for the plain 9070. If AMD produces a lot of cards they can cut another $100-150 off that price and gain some market share. This is basic business. If the market will pay a scalper $850 shouldn't that be how much AMD sells them for?
 
yRaz said:
People keep talking about about AMD's launch drivers with Vega like that's still relevant today. Do people even remember WHY AMD got the bad name for drivers? It's a talking point that almost no one remembers where it came from and hasn't been true in almost a decade.
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I do remember, it was around 2005 with the X?00 and X1000 series when AMD (still ATI then) was making the transition from AGP to PCIe and attempting to support both interfaces at the same time, which caused lots of genuine issues for their drivers. That stopped being a problem with the HD 2000 series when they abandoned AGP.

That was 20 years ago. The only other time in those 20 years where AMD had real, widespread issues was at the launch of the RX 5700 series (first RDNA cards) where there was that black screen issue for a few months. Every other occasion where people complained about "AMD drivers" was a meme with zero basis in reality.
 
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Who else (than nVidia, AMD, and Intel) is there making GPU's (even ones that are not dGPU), Apple with M4 Pro (is it even possible m4 tech could become dGPU?), how about ARM, anything good there? Are there any others capable of B580 dGPU and better? Overall nVidia and AMD keep telling us how small a market it really is, though PC gaming market has not really seen much of (if any of a) shrink, and dGPU numbers used to be enough to have a decent profit and a market for GPU's -- We keep hearing next gen will be better, next gen after that, and so on... Is the thought for nVidia and AMD to simply product CPU with iGPU and call it a day for gaming/end user sector short of Deep Learning / A.I. ?
 
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Who else (than nVidia, AMD, and Intel) is there making GPU's (even ones that are not dGPU), Apple with M4 Pro (is it even possible m4 tech could become dGPU?), how about ARM, anything good there? Are there any others capable of B580 dGPU and better? Overall nVidia and AMD keep telling us how small a market it really is, though PC gaming market has not really seen much of (if any of a) shrink, and dGPU numbers used to be enough to have a decent profit and a market for GPU's -- We keep hearing next gen will be better, next gen after that, and so on... Is the thought for nVidia and AMD to simply product CPU with iGPU and call it a day for gaming/end user sector short of Deep Learning / A.I. ?
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While GPUs received some big boosts due to the Covid lockdown, mining, and then AI the market is now in a downward spiral. 2024 was down 8% for the category and annual growth of around -6% is predicted through 2028. Fewer and fewer big AAA hits combined with sky-high prices is killing demand. Things will get worse when a new console generation roles out.

The main problem is that newer lithography processes are crazy expensive (which is why the generation coming out now is still 4nm). That means making faster cards means bigger chips and bigger chips mean higher prices.
 
yRaz said:
People keep talking about about AMD's launch drivers with Vega like that's still relevant today. Do people even remember WHY AMD got the bad name for drivers? It's a talking point that almost no one remembers where it came from and hasn't been true in almost a decade.
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First RDNA did have major issues. I know because I experienced them. Had a 5700 and ended up selling it and getting a 2070 which I later upgraded to a 3070 then 3080. Now I'm back to a 5700 XT in Linux and it works like a champ.
 
The turtle wins the race by default. 😅

Update meanwhile Nvidia is making quick fix Blackwell alpha/ beta testing drivers for the black screen issues.
 
"It's unclear why AMD chose the RX 7900 GRE for comparison,"

I'd say it's because it makes the 9070 look better? Let's wait and see until after Techspot does a thorough review - and we see a price tag.

After all, unless a company releases a product that is complete garbage, the product is going to "trade blows" with SOMETHING... but if that something is $100 cheaper (or more), than it is a failure...
 
Not discussed in this article was supply which I'm hoping will be the biggest difference. I card I can buy easily beats a card I can not in any benchmark.
 
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"It's unclear why AMD chose the RX 7900 GRE for comparison,"

I'd say it's because it makes the 9070 look better? Let's wait and see until after Techspot does a thorough review - and we see a price tag.

After all, unless a company releases a product that is complete garbage, the product is going to "trade blows" with SOMETHING... but if that something is $100 cheaper (or more), than it is a failure...
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Some are hoping that the significance of the 7900 gre is for the pricing. $549 for the 9070 xt. Maybe wishful thinking.
Update if pricing is not around there it might backfire imo.
 
Squid Surprise said:
"It's unclear why AMD chose the RX 7900 GRE for comparison,"

I'd say it's because it makes the 9070 look better? Let's wait and see until after Techspot does a thorough review - and we see a price tag.

After all, unless a company releases a product that is complete garbage, the product is going to "trade blows" with SOMETHING... but if that something is $100 cheaper (or more), than it is a failure...
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Gen-on-gen specs and hopefully $550 pricing.

The GRE is AMD's fastest 256-bit bus card (9070 is 256-bit as well) and it even has 25% more cores than the 9070 (5120 vs. 4096) so it's a good comparo. Also not having a 5070 Ti or 5080 for comparison when they ran the tests is convenient.
 
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With further analysis, the 7900GRE is basically on par with the 4070 SUPER. Meaning the 9070 non XT is about 15-20% faster than the 4070 SUPER putting it neck to neck with the 4070 TI SUPER.

As for the 9070XT, if it is really 35-40%, it will put it closer to the XTX and possibly faster than the 5070 TI, which is surprising.

We all talked about pricing, but in the end, we didn't even knew the expected performances. If the numbers are correct, AMD can easily charge 650$ MSRP for this without any issues. Demanding AMD to give you close to 5080 performances for 550$ or you are not going to buy, is literally insanity.

I hope that Steve get the message and don't give this GPU a score below 75/100 or he will prove my point that Value is just a criteria for AMD and Nvidia always get a pass over it even if we are talking about absurd pricing.
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Lew Zealand said:
Gen-on-gen specs and hopefully $550 pricing.

The GRE is AMD's fastest 256-bit bus card (9070 is 256-bit as well) and it even has 25% more cores than the 9070 (5120 vs. 4096) so it's a good comparo. Also not having a 5070 Ti or 5080 for comparison when they ran the tests is convenient.
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It is for pricing for sure. However we don't know if they are going to price the 9070 at 550$ or the 9070XT at 550$.

From the performance leaked, I believe the MSRP will be 550$ for the 9070 and 650$ for the 9070XT.

AMD will not give you 40% better performances for the same price, I really doubt it, but if they do, oh boy, they are going to sell a ton of them.
 
darkzelda said:
I'm looking forward to the RX 9070 XT results, I'd pull the trigger if the price is right, my RX 6700 XT already needs replacement.
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Already needs replacement? How long have you used it? I'm sitting right under your XXX (well not literally) with an RX 6650XT but I just installed it like 12 days ago after having sat on the installation for over a year. I'm slow at getting around to things sometimes. But, I gotta use this for at least a year now to get any value out of it.
 
If priced right, and it's competitive to the 4080, then I'll happily return to using AMD cards. The last one I used from them was the Radeon 7970.

 
Wow new pricing leaks suggests 9070xt pricing above $1000 and even as high as $1100 complicit in the scalping monopoly game AMD is!
 
Yeah, I totally heard $1200. For the non XT. I swear. Totally is. They're even worse than NV.

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