Windows 7 is still used on a quarter of all PCs

Gezzer

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I really wish that Microsoft would bring out a Windows 7 SE (Second Edition). Windows 7 has a lot of issues that need fixing and improving. Windows 10 has been a "can of worms" from the very start. Windows 7 is reliable and works like an operating system should work.
I wish, but not going to happen I'm afraid. Microsoft desperately want's to create the same walled garden that both Android and iOS enjoy, complete with massively profitable app store. They slipped to a distant third in the mobile market and Windows 8 was a feeble attempt to create a device agnostic OS, a one windows to rule them if you will. The idea was to leverage PC and console users to capture mobile market share.

The problem with Win8 was it was designed for mobile use first and foremost since that was the market they were trying to capture. Many PC users rebelled because the new UI was such a monumental change for them. Personally I found it really only worked with a touch screen and that in a desktop setting just didn't enhance my workflow. Reaching up to do something on a monitor felt wrong some how.

Windows 10 was meant to address the short comings of Win8 and does for the most part. The experience is consistent over all devices and desktop use doesn't feel like a kludge fix any more. The next step in creating the walled garden is to now migrate every user to win10. That's why MS has taken the steps of making Win10 a "service" and the last version they'll ever "release". Hell, while they won't admit it, getting a free upgrade to Win10 is still child's play.

In the end MS can't afford to fragment the user base by releasing an upgrade to Win 7. It would be like building a prefect walled garden and then leaving a massive opening in one wall. Win10 is an all in move and I really doubt MS could reverse course at this point, even if they wanted to.
 
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lazer

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"if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

When my old laptop died, I bought a new one with win8 installed. Pure crap, would not work with my purchased programs that I needed to use. So I had win7 installed. Works great, did not enable updates and it is still working.

Micro$lop screwed up with win8. They wanted to compete with android which has taken over the smartphone and tablets like crazy and works fine. So came win8 and then win10. Such a mess. Windows never did much for smartphones or tablets.....
 

kmo911

Posts: 240   +31
Some pcs cant be upgraded to win 10 ever. they lack some bios functions . so win xp or win 7-8.1 get s limited. microsoft must know some pce newer will and can install win 10. I old time win 95 was even on old xxx-586 and higher pc specs. but win me was blocking install if you didnt have a 150 mhz pc or higer. and then mmx pc games was also a block on low end pcs. so going for higher pc for win 10 are reqmanded.
 

Freddie159

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The Department I used to work at stull uses Win7 because the software they paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for won't work on Win10!!! That's almost 1600 pc's in one place still on Win7, the rest of the Company, 30k total pc's, I worked at has gone to Win10 though and the users hate it!
 

kmo911

Posts: 240   +31
Windows 10 only for 10 th gen cpu . dont undegrade US now. since win 10 should support older pc specs it would be strange if a 386 not can install win 1.0-win98 se fat 16 32

now back to the future. win 10 needs 2 gb now for x64 and x32 getting shoved away for more safer x64. win 7 x32 getting unsafe and x64 are safer byt heavyer to run. most games now will only support x64 bit gaming. but still yeah can use win 8 8.1 but some games are limited to win 10 only.
 

Neatfeatguy

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Or dont blame MS cause you have your server n gaming content on the same machine. We all know MS updates may cause issues from time to time (hardly none in my case) but you still choose to game on your server machine. Thats on you.
I don't game on it - not even close. Try reading better next time. I game on Windows 7. Server is on Windows 10.

Server only hosts plex - holds roughly 5TB of movies/TV shows and pictures that I own and it's an easy way to share things with family outside of my household.

* First failed MS Windows 10 update on my server was when they pushed the Falls Creator update. The update failed miserably, Windows wouldn't boot - just came up to a :( and saying it couldn't start. I couldn't get Recovery to work and I couldn't even boot into Safe Mode. I had to format and re-install.
* Second failed MS Windows 10 update on my server was the next version 1803 pushed out. Similar issue as Falls Creator update - after the update I was able to log back into Windows, but after a few moments I got a lot of constant errors popping up about missing .dll files and then the system BSOD. I couldn't get into Safe Mode and I couldn't get Recovery to fix the issue - so I had to format and re-install Windows 10.....again.
* Third issue was update 1809 when all my photos were deleted. Thankfully I keep several backups and I was able to copy them back over to the server.

Since then I've disabled all Windows 10 updating.
 

HalfHuman

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Win10 was the first os I've installed pre-release and it's been fine for me. it's better with memory, it's stable. my programmer work goes fine on windows 10. I also like the updates that I get. there are some exception though as I've gone nuts over the new windows calculator. it loads so slow and lacks functions so I went back to classic calculator. I do not like the mix and match between modern and classic control panel stuff. I've went full on chrome after using Firefox since 0.9 version, yeah dialup era in 2000. Been using Firefox and Chrome in parallel but Firefox just chews cpu and ram more than chrome. Thing is windows 10 runs great for me on my 5 years old laptop.
 

ShagnWagn

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You can only wonder how much less of a share there would be if it weren't for the underhanded, criminal, and malware from Microsoft that forced upgrades on people without consent. It's cost home and business users billions of labor hours trying to troubleshoot it plus lost data and work. And the number of lost labor hours is not going down...
 

Jerry in WA

Posts: 84   +79
Not all older PCs can even run windows 10. The driver support just isn't there. Many folks still run perfectly good old machines and are quite content with Windows 7. They know how it works for what they need. Windows 10 is a pretty dramatic change.

Me, I can't do it. Every time I try to use windows 7 nowadays, I am completely lost. There are so many features built into windows 10 that I have become accustomed to, that using windows 7 feels truly archaic by comparison.

I remember how hard it was to give up XP for windows 7.
 
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seeprime

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I went to opatch (Oracle) to see about the security patches, I couldn't find any thing there that looked like a security patch for windows 7 pro, I might need guidence.
It''s 0patch, not opatch. the first character is a zero. 0patch.com
 

DaveBG

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I have recently upgraded all of my computers to windows 7 from windows 10 which was so much slower and buggy. All office PCs now run windows 7. And guess what? EVERYTHING WORKS! It is amazing!!!
 

Deevo324

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I have five computers running Windows 10 and I have never had any problems at all with W10 updates. The computers are quite diverse - a Lenovo Yoga tablet, a Panasonic Toughbook, an Asus VivoBook, a Dell AIO and a PC I built myself. Plenty of diversity that would/should have exposed any problems. Here's the thing - I don't play games. I find them infantile, boring and tedious. I strongly suspect that the update problems are directly related to gaming software, particularly those that replace system dlls. I also don't use any Adobe software for the same reason. IMHO you guys are blaming MS for the liberties that game developers take.
 

Bullwinkle M

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I have five computers running Windows 10 and I have never had any problems at all with W10 updates. The computers are quite diverse - a Lenovo Yoga tablet, a Panasonic Toughbook, an Asus VivoBook, a Dell AIO and a PC I built myself. Plenty of diversity that would/should have exposed any problems. Here's the thing - I don't play games. I find them infantile, boring and tedious. I strongly suspect that the update problems are directly related to gaming software, particularly those that replace system dlls. I also don't use any Adobe software for the same reason. IMHO you guys are blaming MS for the liberties that game developers take.
That's horrible!

A properly functioning Windows 10 means that you are endlessly being hammered with Microsoft's extortionware, blackmailware, malware and spyware, locking you into a walled garden of garbage



 
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Neatfeatguy

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I have five computers running Windows 10 and I have never had any problems at all with W10 updates. The computers are quite diverse - a Lenovo Yoga tablet, a Panasonic Toughbook, an Asus VivoBook, a Dell AIO and a PC I built myself. Plenty of diversity that would/should have exposed any problems. Here's the thing - I don't play games. I find them infantile, boring and tedious. I strongly suspect that the update problems are directly related to gaming software, particularly those that replace system dlls. I also don't use any Adobe software for the same reason. IMHO you guys are blaming MS for the liberties that game developers take.
Cool story bro.

I've had to help countless people re-install audio and video drivers after many different Windows 10 updates. Audio outright fails and constant video crashes - these are on computers that are not utilized for gaming.

Some people don't have issues and others do.
 
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Deevo324

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That's horrible!

A properly functioning Windows 10 means that you are endlessly being hammered with Microsoft's extortionware, blackmailware, malware and spyware, locking you into a walled garden of garbage
In the words of the immortal Shakespeare "The lady doth protest too much methinks."
 
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bexwhitt

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Okay. Let's clear this up once and for all: WINDOWS 10 IS GOD-AWFUL!

It's a flaky bandwidth hogging spam delivery device. It's NOT user-friendly for those of us who like to tweak our desktops/menus/interface. Every time there's a new update, two days later we learn it's a buggy mess that's either damaging/deleting/corrupting files or introducing new security flaws.

And finally, the "flat" GUI is just plain ugly.

25% still using Win7 is a big deal because IT REQUIRED A LOT OF EFFORT to stop MS from pushing that free update on users (even going so far as to use trick wording to make people think saying "No" would NOT "upgrade" them, only to be "upgraded" anyway.)

If 25% are still using Win7, it's NOT simply b/c their hardware is too old. Win10 will run on a potato. It works on my 20 year old AMD Athlon. No. Millions of people haven't upgraded b/c millions of people HATE Windows 10.
flat and ugly is your opinion, I think is looks fresh and modern and W7 looks old fashioned
 
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brucek

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There's clearly a segment of users, as well represented here, that resents the loss of control and/or privacy that comes with Windows 10. Yet I have trouble believing that 25% of PCs are controlled by users who understand and care about these issues.

I'd love to know the relative weights of potential other reasons, such as:
1. Old hardware that can not run Windows 10.
2. Runs applications that are not compatible under Windows 10.
3. User not willing to pay for Windows 10 license (although they are, or were, free.)
4. Managed by an organization that is not willing to invest any time/effort to find out if 1-3 actually apply.
5. Upgrading device has been on user's to do list forever, along with cleaning out the garage and joining a gym.
6. Device is not managed at all - I.e., it was installed for some industrial use long ago and there is no one left who feels any ownership of changing anything about it
7. Measurement issues - I.e., are some of these devices not actually in use but are still present in the researcher's database from the O/S they had the last time they were seen in use, or web crawlers were programmed to falsely report Win 7 for some reason long ago and never changed, etc.