LordVile95
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“Adjusted earnings” That including the billions that’s being pumped into to to stay afloat?
No they were far right
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Beerfloat
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I'm noticing you keep trying to make this point, even though it is historically inaccurate. The left were very much the enemy of the NSDAP, and projecting socialists, communists and unions as the enemy of the common people was a core strategy (as it is today), along with redefining the word socialism. I trust you'll immediately proceed to put AI to work on an essay claiming the opposite.
But in a way, I find your insistence on this make-believe encouraging. We've not arrived at the time when the far right embraces the association with fascism and nazism actively. Just yet.
Endymio
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Learn accounting. Additional investment isn't earnings.
Learn history. Germany's National Socialists were a far LEFT labor party, voted into power by Left-wing Germans hoping to overthrow Germany's conservative Weimar Republic. The National Socialists had a laundry list of far-Left policies they promoted (and in many cases enacted) such as strong central government, high 'progressive' taxes on the rich, free education, a vastly expanded welfare state, tight government control of big business, an end to the "unearned income" of invested wealth, and many others.
It wasn't until after the Nazis worst excesses were revealed, that Leftwing academics began rewriting history to call them "right wing", despite them sharing literally nothing in common with conservative ideology.
On the contrary, it was the Left who voted the National Socialists into power. The NSDAP in fact was originally called The Workers Party -- to show their support for labor and unions, and in fact the Nazis expanded the power and legal rights of unions, eventually replacing them all with a vastly powerful government-controlled union: the German Labor Front.
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Beerfloat
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And there it is! Bravo.
Endymio
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Nonsense. The Nazis protected and promoted socialism and unionization. They projected Soviet-style Marxist communism as a threat, but the ideals of socialism were key to their poltiics:
Directly from the Nazi Party Platform:
"- We demand the abolition of incomes unearned by work, breaking the slavery of interest.
- We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations
- We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
- We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
- We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders "
Endymio
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This is the most ludicrous claim yet: socialism is defined as government control over the means of production, and no one exerted more control over business than Germany's National Socialists.
When their movement collapsed, Western Leftists made the same claim they do about all failed socialist states, a variant of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy: but that wasn't true socialism.
No, it's called reading, especially primary historical sources from the period -- rather than having your opinion fed to you by HuffPost.
LordVile95
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Maybe you shills understand what creative accounting is.
You’re literally just seeing the name of the party and saying it’s left wing without looking at anything the party actually did aren’t you.
They were a nationalist fascist party building a war economy, or are you forgetting that far right movements by definition are nationalistic, xenophobic and focus on miliatary with nativism and string anti immigration rhetoric? Oh wait that sounds like MAGA doesn’t it that’s why the Nazis are suddenly left wing
Endymio
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Why can't you people read plain English? I quoted directly from the Nazi Party's founding manifesto, along with of what they actually did.
"The Nazis [significantly] raised income tax rates, particularly for upper-income brackets. Additionally, a 1934 tax law eliminated several loss-deduction provisions and increased the tax burden on large industrial profits."
"The Nazis fundamentally expanded state-sponsored social programs ... Through the National Socialist People's Welfare (NSV) and massive charitable drives like the Winter Relief (Winterhilfswerk), the regime provided food, daycare, healthcare, and financial assistance to millions...."
"The Nazis brought education under the control of the federal government, and created the Reich Education Ministry to this effect .. [which] promoted expanded access to education for the poor, greater teacher education and "ideologically based" education programs...."
Who told you this ludicrous nonsense? As for the factoid of the Nazis "being militaristic", Hitler hated and feared the traditional conservative Germany military, which is the entire reason he created the Schutzstaffel and the Waffen SS. Learn history.
Plutoisaplanet
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Let’s clarify. He called him that in direct response to that person saying unprompted “he can stick his submarine where it hurts”. He then explained why he didn’t believe it would work (and was probably right). Elon Musk essentially engaged in the same behavior.
Was it childish? Yes. But was it done “because they didn’t need his help”? No. In fact if I remember right, the cave diver in question only referred experienced cave divers for the rescue operation and was more involved with the media on his own than anything. He didn’t have any say in whether Elon Musk would or wouldn’t help.
Endymio
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More to the point, the Left still adored and caressed Musk after this. The first anti-Musk rumblings didn't start until his rejection of the absurd Covid shutdowns in 2020, and didn't enter full-blown anti-Musk hysteria until he announced his support for Trump.
LordVile95
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Literally so they could dump money into arms manufacturing.
Never heard of propaganda? I guess the hitler youth was a charitable cause to you.
And changed the curriculum to indoctrinate the nation to their ideology. Did you miss the lesson in school about book burning?
Because they weren’t loyal to him and he sought to replace them with his own followers Jesus Christ your brain cell needs a friend. Hitler massively increased military spending because of his plans to take over Europe. Literally just read mein kampf where in his own words Hitler says he’s become increasing militarisistic, said Germany needed to conquer Eastern Europe and that he hates the political left. “Jews and communists are the two greatest evils in the world” or something to that effect was his view. After that it was the social democrats
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Endymio
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Do you people even think about what you're saying? Your argument is the Nazi Party pretended to be a far Left Socialist political organization ... to get conservative Germans to vote for them?
No, they're almost identical to today's Antifa, in fact.
You mean like the Left is doing today in public schools, with mandated DEI programs?
You mean like the far Left USSR tried to conquer Eastern Europe? Or the far Left CCP annexed Tibet, took Aksai Chin from India, and is currently threatening to take Taiwan? That's what Left-wing governments do.
Don't lie. Hitler demonized Marxist Communism, not "the political Left". But his first ally in WW2 was with Communist Russia -- an alliance broken only when Hitler thought he could take all Russia too.
LordVile95
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No they ran a far right campaign based on nativism and xenophobia similar to what the republicans in the IS and in the UK reform ran. Just sub immigrants for Jews.
Literally not.
Nope, DEI programs boil down to “don’t be a ****”. Not indoctrinating people to commit genocide.
I believe they did conquer Eastern Europe. No one is saying totalitarian far left governments are good either but the nazis are far right, they are quite literally the dictionary definition of far right. Just because you are far right and don’t like being on the same side of the fence as the Nazis doesn’t mean you can pretend they’re not there.
Communists and social democrats aren’t the political left now?
No Hitler signed a peace treaty with the USSR in an agreement to halve Poland and not go further, he always intended to invade Russia as stated in mein kampf.
Endymio
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You can't change reality by denying it. Germany's National Socialists promoted, espoused, and to a large degree implemented countless far Left programs: everything from confiscatory taxes on the wealthy to government control of business business to gun control and a vastly expanded welfare state. These are Left-wing ideals, not right-wing.
The only difference between them and the "progressive" Left of today is that, while the Nazis blamed big business and the evil rich Jew for society's problems, today's Left just blames big business and the evil rich ... though they did spend the last few years terrorizing young Jewish students through the halls of US campuses, so the anti-semitism aspect is returning in force as well.
DEI programs literally advocate for and establish institutionalized racism: the granting of employment and educational opportunities, job hirings, promotions, bonuses, scholarships, mentorships, not based on merit, but on race and ethnicity.
Learn history.l The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact wasn't a "peace treaty": it was a military alliance. And after these two Left-wing dictatorships jointly invaded Poland, they even held a joint military victory parade in the Polish city of Brest-Litovsk on September 22, 1939. Before, during, and after this they engaged in extensive trade of raw materials and military supplies, to further their joint campaign.
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