Xbox One System-on-Chip packs more transistors than Tahiti GPU

There were so many faulty first gen 360's I think that console went down as one of the worst built systems of all time, if not the worst.
Comparing the PS3 to the Xbox from a reliability standpoint makes the 360 look really really bad, so stop trying to make this a legit comparison.
Huh? I never said that it wasn't poorly built. I merely made 2 statements since you made it seem like the consumers didn't use that warranty for a free 360 (or just a fix) and that the PS3 had a perfect launch -_-

Your making constrasting statements.
Microsoft expended a lot of time and money fixing consoles. In cheesy fingers America xbox kiddies wanted thier Halo so for that reason alone the 360 sold very well, not to mention the original xbox was a huge hit so this carried over a large part of the market. Even so the PS3 has been by no means dominated by anything and is the leading selling console world wide. The PS3 had crappy launch titles, a huge launch price tag, a tacky interface compared to the 360's "console for dummies/kids" approach, and tougher to program-for hardware and it still did ok.

Personally I have no allegience with either since I own both, and from a core gaming/following standpoint in America the 360 is top dog, but there are many more factors to consider as well is all I am saying.
How did I make contrasting statements? I said that the PS3 didn't win the last round because their marketshare lead got cut down too much (dominated) to consider it a "winner", even though it's slightly selling more than the 360. Again, (because you cut it out of you quoting me) compare the marketshare from the original Xbox and the PS2 to the 360 and the PS3 and you'll understand what I mean. It's too big of a jump...

Personally I have no allegience with either since I own both, and from a core gaming/following standpoint in America the 360 is top dog, but there are many more factors to consider as well is all I am saying.
And all I'm saying is that the PS3 didn't do as well as people would like to believe, considering all the factors. I don't like much bias any way you look at these things...
 
Amstech you really coming a cross as a Sony fan boy , calm down. No one can argue against the fact that the xbox360 won the last console war , it's market share was massively higher than anyone expected , compare xbox to PS2 market share , was a massive turn around. Plus the games were better on the xbox for a long time due to the hassle of devs having to learn the PS3. Not saying xbox360 was a better machine but Microsoft definitely won that battle.

Now the latest Ps3 games are great , they showing what it can do. thankfully Sony have learned from this and seem to be doing a great job on the Ps4. It's good to have a choice and fierce competition for us consumers.
 
Architecturally. The actual 7970 GPU completely outclasses the 1.2 Tflop GPU on the Xbone.
 
That Radeon HD 7970 is a nice looking chip. Nice capabilities, good power consumption, nice thermal results. I'm sure that it'll look fantastic in 1080P on a set at home. I also like the way the software runs in the XO. But, by it being so close to a PC counterpart, I can't help but thing that a PC built to run Steam's Big Picture would be more future proof with cheaper game titles.
 
Thanks for correcting me amstech, though, it appears it only overtook just couple of months ago, hence, my mistake.

Burty, I can't remember I made any such comment on Wii. Any reference would be much appreciated.

On price, I think Sony has been undercutting MS by stripping off features etc. e.g. just to slash price of PS4, Sony went ahead with fracturing its platform by selling play station camera separately. And I think in the quoted article in my first post, the writer is pretty much spot on that this gives MS an advantage (provided the developers take advantage of it, which I suspect, most will). Don't forget HDMI pass-through functionality as well. Overall, or as a whole, XO seems to be a better package, it only lacks in performance department and that too not by too much.

No matter what both companies pitch to get customers, a console which will provide best value / experience to customers will obviously get more business.
 
On price, I think Sony has been undercutting MS by stripping off features etc. e.g. just to slash price of PS4, Sony went ahead with fracturing its platform by selling play station camera separately.
Alternatively you can see that as Sony not forcing peripherals people don't want on them and save some $$$.
 
Burty, I can't remember I made any such comment on Wii. Any reference would be much appreciated.
Sorry my bad, it was Sunny87 who was arguing with me that the Wii U was definitely going to be on par with PS4 and Xbox One, How wrong he was xD.

I think in the quoted article in my first post, the writer is pretty much spot on that this gives MS an advantage (provided the developers take advantage of it, which I suspect, most will). Don't forget HDMI pass-through functionality as well. Overall, or as a whole, XO seems to be a better package, it only lacks in performance department and that too not by too much.

No matter what both companies pitch to get customers, a console which will provide best value / experience to customers will obviously get more business.

And I am damn well ready to place a bet from the off that the PS4 will be the bigger seller this time round. Sure, in America, it may be a great hit because all the "features" work and is cheaper than its global counter parts.
While the rest of the world will pay more for Xbox Live and lose features which they are paying for via Xbox Live subscription. If 75% of people didn't buy a Kinect the first time round, forcing them to buy it as part of the package isn't going to convince them more.While the PS4 will have prettier graphics at a lower price point and if the PS3 is anything to go by will have an extremely good First Party selection of games in a year or two.
If your into dance or party games you can still get a camera, sure it's tracking won't be as accurate but they're god damn party games, how accurate does it need to be?
 
Man I love this topic.
Reminds me of when my kids were both in their pre teen years.
 
Burty
As far as I remember PS3 had much more horsepower under its hood, yet we know who ended up winning the last round of console wars. So, this time around, I do not see this changing by much anyway.

Secondly, I think the lower spec console is what generally developers will use as their template for their offerings, hence, reinforcing my first argument.

Lastly, it is all about services, and in this area Sony isn't going to be much of a threat to XO.

An interesting read just in case: http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/7-reasons-the-xbox-one-is-better-than-the-ps4

The PS3 had a unique architecture which was rarely utilized fully as it was hard to code for. The PS4 and XBOX ONE use nearly identical architectures based on the well understood PC components. The PS4 will perform better. The problem then is does the XBOX ONE run the same game at 60FPS with reduced quality, or worse run at the same quality but lower frame rate (probably 60FPS with reduced quality).

There are Pros and Cons to both consoles so it's not clear cut. I actually was set on buying the XBONE before the specs were released; I will definitely wait as I'm in no rush, but if it turns out the PS4 is significantly better (by possibly 30% or so) it's my choice as I don't care about Kinect features or Cable/Satellite connectivity.

I am however used to the XBOX 360 controller on PC so this is all a little disappointing. Perhaps I'll stay on PC exclusively, get the new XBONE controller in 2014 and upgrade my graphics card to a GTX980 4GB in two years.
 
the Kinect is seen by 75% of people as useless, I came up with 75% based on how many Kinect's sold last gen, 24 million, compared to the Xbox 360's sales figures, which stands at nearly 80 million.
Mmm I'm thinking intuitively it would be more people than 75% - I wonder how many people bought it and think it is useless? Or don't use it at all in which case it may as well be considered useless.
 
And yet its still not as powerful as the PS4 and thus does not command my attention. Actually nothing about xbox does, they might have reversed their DRM decisions and their hardware isn't bad in terms of how inferior a console is to a PC but PS4 has everything and more I'd need from a console.
 
Mmm I'm thinking intuitively it would be more people than 75% - I wonder how many people bought it and think it is useless? Or don't use it at all in which case it may as well be considered useless.

Absolutely, I agree, however I was giving the Xbox fans here some core hard facts that you can stand up for the Kinect all you want but fact remains it wasn't bought all that much and yeah, I do know people who bought one and think it's useless, my brother is one of them for example. But an Xbox fan will argue it sold well, I was just putting it into perspective for them. Plus the sales figures quoted were also PC version sales combined with Xbox versions so it's in fact considerably less than 75%.

God I hope Xbox One falls flat on its face after the initial launch just so they wise up and sell a version without the blasted thing, it would lower the price below PS4 and make all the dashboard changes and DRM changes worth it.
 
I posted all the sales numbers and facts of every console ever made on my last post with a link to the best console infographic I have ever seen.
At the bottom are some cool facts about the first console ever made, as well as the quickest to sell 1 million in the US(Wii I believe).
The PS3 and 360 have very similar sales numbers (even though the PS3 was WWAAAYYY more reliable), which was the only point I was trying to make.
 
Yeah it was a good Infographic, The sales figures have changed since it was created and the PS3 does have a slight lead now over the 360 now though.

Anyway I found this very interesting, vgchartz has got hold of the number of pre-orders on a per-game bases for the US, not only is the PS4 out-selling the Xbox One by almost double, what was even more staggering is that "Titanfall" the only game any Xbox Fanboy goes on about as its "great exclusive" is the lowest pre-ordered in the chart with only 27 thousand odd.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251266/ps4-vs-xbox-one-pre-order-totals-to-august-24th-2013/
 
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