Hello again, Earlier today I got a random window giving the typical "you have spyware on your computer so buy our stuff to get rid of.......... our stuff." As seen in the thread topic the program was Live Security Platinum so I immediately hard booted the computer, and started it in safe mode. Ran malwarebytes from chameleon, updated it, and ran a scan, removed them restarted (in safe mode again) ran a full scan this time, got rid of another infection, then ran in normal mode and it is still there preventing me from doing anything to stop it. typical. oh and MSE stopped being active and cannot be reactivated while in safe mode, that and maleware are the only antivirus programs I have, to my knowledge I understand your help is free, and you use your own time to help me if you choose to do so. So I would like to apologize for not having logs from malwarebytes to post and in case I messed anything up. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration.