Anonymous to NATO: do not challenge us

By on June 10, 2011, 12:00 PM

The hacker group Anonymous has warned the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) not to challenge it. NATO may have more resources than Anonymous, but the "hacktivist" group clearly believes it would come out victorious in a fight.

The warning comes after a 2011 Spring Session report issued last month by Lord Joplin, general rapporteur of NATO. The report provided a broader look into the growing danger of cyberattacks and how governments should respond to them, and made a point to warn NATO member nations about the rising threat of "hacktivism," which refers to hacking for political purposes.

NATO specifically mentioned Anonymous seven times, including the group's initiatives against Australia, Egypt, Iran, Tunisia, the Church of Scientology, Mastercard, Visa, PayPal, the Swiss bank PostFinance, and HBGary Federal. The report cautioned that Anonymous was becoming more sophisticated, and that it could hack into sensitive government, military, and corporate information. Here's an excerpt on what NATO thinks about the group:

Today, the ad hoc international group of hackers and activists is said to have thousands of operatives and has no set rules or membership. It remains to be seen how much time Anonymous has for pursuing such paths. The longer these attacks persist the more likely countermeasures will be developed, implemented, the groups will be infiltrated and perpetrators persecuted.

Anonymous has since responded. Here's the crux of the warning, courtesy of Google cache:

Finally, do not make the mistake of challenging Anonymous. Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place. If you cut down one Anon, ten more will join us purely out of anger at your trampling of dissent.

In the report, Joplin asked how NATO should react if one of its member nations was the victim of a cyberattack. It appears that if Anonymous were to attack NATO or one of its members, the organization has no plan of action on how to respond:

More importantly, NATO needs to devise its policy regarding the key question of how to react to cyber attacks against one of its member states. Can one invoke Article 5 of the Washington Treaty after a cyber attack? And what response mechanisms should the Alliance employ against the attacker? Should the retaliation be limited to cyber means only, or should conventional military strikes also be considered? Furthermore, the Alliance must decide to what extent it can engage in co‑operation on sensitive cyber issues with partner countries, such as Russia.

Last month, the US disclosed its International Strategy for Cyberspace. The document revealed the US government could respond to cyber-attacks with military force, especially if someone were to pull off a serious cyberspace hack against the US, its allies, its partners, or in a way to threaten its interests.

We don't think it would get to that point.




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Lokalaskurar Lokalaskurar said:

Well... aren't Anonymous one to puff up...

NATO/OTAN hasn't exactly responded to potential threats lightly. Anonymous uses DDoS-attacks, NATO uses aircraft carriers. Every Anon lives somewhere, and even though ten heads will grow off the decapitated "Hydra", it can only grow 'so-many' heads.

Guest said:

great, a bunch of cyber nerds living in mom's basement have delusions of grandeur

note to NATO; make sure the safety switch is in the "off" position during any raids.

Zilpha Zilpha said:

great, a bunch of cyber nerds living in mom's basement have delusions of grandeur

note to NATO; make sure the safety switch is in the "off" position during any raids.

See this is where everyone makes their massive mistakes: Dismissing hackers as nothing more than socially inept basement dwellers.

Take them seriously - because they are certainly seriously taking major networks down.

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Jesse Jesse said:

I agree with Zilpha. Everyday another company discloses information about how their databases have been compromised. It's not to be taken lightly. And Lokalaskurar, what good is an aircraft carrier going to do?

Guest said:

It's not a mistake and no one dismisses them as socially inept basement dwellers, in fact everyone accepts them as socially inept basement dwellers. They will also be future target practice dummies in countries like Iran, future rape victims in USA prisons, and well those that have to live in **** holes like russia....have to live in **** holes like russia.

In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.

Lokalaskurar Lokalaskurar said:

Mr./Mrs. prismatics, the aircraft carrier was just a metaphor... Even though there are serious crackers out there which do destroy networks from time to time, don't forget that NATO/OTAN is an enormous organization which specialises in hostile interaction.

They too have "cyberwarriors" no doubt, and they also have some pretty nifty funds and accessibilities which Anonymous either lack or need to steal in order to gain access to.

Zilpha Zilpha said:

It's not a mistake and no one dismisses them as socially inept basement dwellers, in fact everyone accepts them as socially inept basement dwellers. They will also be future target practice dummies in countries like Iran, future rape victims in USA prisons, and well those that have to live in **** holes like russia....have to live in **** holes like russia.

In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.

You trivialize many things - such as rape and murder. I wonder if you have any empathy at all.

I understand the issue makes you upset, but these are still human beings we are talking about.

Sarcasm Sarcasm said:

I say bomb those geeks and show no mercy. Or worse, call their parents.

Lokalaskurar Lokalaskurar said:

Guest said:

... and well those that have to live in **** holes like Russia....have to live in **** holes like Russia.

Sorry to double-post, but that was actually pretty rude...

Guest said:

i'm not trivializing anything. Criminals do get killed all the time in Iran and other "fanatic" countries and they do get raped in USA prisons. I have little sympathy for them as they simply "should know better". Let's not confuse some low life trying to get a cheap "big man" thrill with people who are trying to attain freedom in countries like Iran through cyber attacks. They have my full support.

Some ******* stealing CC# or taking down the Sony network should be headed to prison and receive everything they truly deserve...including being on the receiving end "drop the soap in the prison shower"

Guest said:

Guys, if I was NATO I would be sh*ting my pants. Didn't any of you see Live Free or Die Hard?

LOL

Lokalaskurar Lokalaskurar said:

Guys, if I was NATO I would be sh*ting my pants. Didn't any of you see Live Free or Die Hard?

LOL

Sure did - Still support OTAN though.

Let me use a quote from Die Hard (or was it Live Free...? Could've mixed them up)

"If one man is capable of everything, then what are a group of thousand people capable of?"

Anonymous vs NATO is like Justin Bieber vs Beethoven, "IMO".

Even though Anonymous can put up a fight, you don't go picking fights with someone who is licensed to kill. Or even better; don't care whether or not he actually is licensed.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

It's all fun and games until someone slaps a black hood over your head and you wake up in Cuba.

Anon is about two hacks away from being declared a terrorist organization. Couple that with the recent statement about the use of force to respond to cyber attacks, well, I'm not sure about this course of action. I seriously doubt 99% of these guys would have the balls to stand up to actual interrogation.

Guest said:

They may be elite hacktivists, but think about it. the US Gov't, even China has 'cyberwarriors' that could pinpoint the location of every Anon member, all they need is a MAC Address, ISP, and bam the NSA can just single out the Lat/Long coordinates and Team Six goes in for the kill.

MilwaukeeMike said:

Don't challenge them? Attacking them will only result in a stronger Anonymous they say? That sounds a lot like Al Qaeda, and we haven't stopped hunting them down. I've got three words for them... SEAL Team Six.

They tell us they will continue to attack governments who don't do the will of the people. Since they will decide when that will is worthy of supporting the world will be subject to their rule, right? And they're doing this to prevent governments from weilding too much power?

Does anyone else appreciate the irony in a transparency group calling themselves Anonymous?

If anyone from that group is reading this... But down the bong, turn off Fight Club, and get a job.

Guest said:

Anonymous may be a bunch of basement dwellers with delusions of grandeur, but I've yet to see them do anything that I've thought was in any way pernicious. Why are some of you so pro-government violence against a bunch of people who's only actions and declared aims thus far are exposing government/corporate corruption and being a mild nuisance. I hate to invoke Godwin's Law but doesn't that kind of bizarre, pro-authoritarian stance remind you of any other groups of citizens in modern history?

Zilpha Zilpha said:

I've got three words for them... SEAL Team Six.

I fail to see what they have to do with any of this - and frankly it did take them the better part of a decade to track him down..... And he was just living in the desert with a bunch of concubines - he wasn't a savvy hacker.

Government is out of control, and has been for a long time.

Guest said:

@Guest 12:55 PM:

[sarcasm]Yes, because members of Anonymous don't use any means to stay anonymous.[/sarcasm] *facepalm*

Guest said:

Yes, send in the Seals to gun down these evil hackers! Go corrupt goverment! Go USA!

Guest said:

LOL, when you know what your doing, its alot harder to trace the origin of hacker.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

Guest said:

Anonymous may be a bunch of basement dwellers with delusions of grandeur, but I've yet to see them do anything that I've thought was in any way pernicious. Why are some of you so pro-government violence against a bunch of people who's only actions and declared aims thus far are exposing government/corporate corruption and being a mild nuisance. I hate to invoke Godwin's Law but doesn't that kind of bizarre, pro-authoritarian stance remind you of any other groups of citizens in modern history?

Yes, viewing a decentralized group of people that anyone can join and do anything they want once becoming "members" as dangerous is very bizzare and pro-authoritarian. I personally love it when some people decide to hack into some corporation and steal account and credit card data. I mean, that's really sticking it to The Man when you force 70 million people to essentially reset their lives and live in fear for a while.

When Al-Queda or the Taliban decide to strike a blow against Americans, what do they do? They blow up a bomb in a crowded marketplace. Killing 1 American and 200 of their fellow countrymen. This is pretty much what Anon is doing in their war against corporate corruption. They cause an inconvenience for their target, and screw over tons of bystanders in the process.

So some of us are not as much being Nazis here, but realize that this isn't Barcelona in 1936 and Anon is more likely to do us harm than any good.

As with all things, these ideological movements eventually all turned out to be about money. Wikileaks is keeping all the data secret for future sale, and prohibiting any of their contributors from leaking their info to any site as they will destroy the "commercial value" of the info that Wikileaks is holding. Anonymous is stealing credit card numbers. Childhood is over, welcome to the grown up world.

Richy2k9 said:

hello ...

i think i already said so once, those hackers, better be careful for now the government will accept that new law & soon they will all be declared terrorists, it's not that i do care, but it's never good to be in war. there is always collateral damage

cheers!

Guest said:

Someone who worked for 20 years in IT&C both for US government and US corporations once told me (in relation to WikiLeaks): "You never, never go against the government; they will always win because they have so much money they can spend carelessly". Unfortunately, he is right.

MilwaukeeMike said:

Zilpha said:

I've got three words for them... SEAL Team Six.

I fail to see what they have to do with any of this - and frankly it did take them the better part of a decade to track him down..... And he was just living in the desert with a bunch of concubines - he wasn't a savvy hacker.

Government is out of control, and has been for a long time.

They don't have anything to do with this. The point was, we're not going to run and hide from a threat. And was living in a city, and a 'savvy' hacker will have a lot more trouble living like Osama did, with no internet/TV/phone and only some playboys for entertainment. I dont' think Anon will be tracked down until they prove to be more than a nusience.

What government is out of control? Libya's? Because they have no freedom of speech? Saudi Arabia because they don't allow alcohol? America, because our govt is trying to control our health care? America's changes every 4 or 8 years at least.

Win7Dev said:

Wasn't the US going to start building a gigantic supercomputing center somewhere in the eastern states (Maryland I think). If they've got something similar to this but old, anon is completely screwed. A few thousand teraflops of computing power will crack through any encryption or security pretty quickly just by bruteforce. Unless you can filter out every IP address in the US (which is sort of hard when the government is basically it's own ISP) you aren't going to last very long. You can turn off your phone's, computers, etc. But they can still track you. Please be careful with who you threaten anon.

Guest said:

Do you guy's know who the real criminal's are? I doubt it.

The American government, British government ect. Commit more crimes than all the other so called criminals and terrorist put together.

911, the war on Afghanistan/Iraq. The C.I.A. are known to bring drugs into countries just to name a few. Not to mention the attacks on Libya, are illegal and unconstitutional.

How the hell can you defend Governments, Politician's or corporation's. They have been screwing you for years and killing millions of people along the way.

Trillionsin Trillionsin said:

Hurry someone attack NATO and they will automatically think its Anonymous. People thinking they are part of anonymous will get attacked with the real geniuses behind the scenes use these dumb***** as scapegoats.

rajwraith said:

All I know is that evil never wins. Anonymous will be put down one day or the other.

Guest said:

so the USA & British gov't where behind 9/11? you can pick up your ***** of the week award at any local firing range. Make sure you wear your I love bill landan T-shirt.

edison5do said:

I really hope that they know what they are doing.... cause if the OTAN / NATO are able to find them, some "heads" are going to roll.

TechM633 said:

@ sarcasm on June 10, 2011, 12:32 PM

Ok, that was priceless. Thanks for the good laugh. Your probably not to far off target there.

gwailo247, TechSpot Chancellor, said:

Guest said:

Do you guy's know who the real criminal's are? I doubt it.

The American government, British government ect. Commit more crimes than all the other so called criminals and terrorist put together.

911, the war on Afghanistan/Iraq. The C.I.A. are known to bring drugs into countries just to name a few. Not to mention the attacks on Libya, are illegal and unconstitutional.

How the hell can you defend Governments, Politician's or corporation's. They have been screwing you for years and killing millions of people along the way.

Apostrophes with an 's' after nouns are used to denote possession, e.g. the boy's hat, except in the case where you're abbreviating, such as "he's" for "he is".

If you just want to refer to something in the plural, an apostrophe is not needed. e.g the mongooses attacked the cobra

princeton princeton said:

They too have "cyberwarriors" no doubt, and they also have some pretty nifty funds and accessibilities which Anonymous either lack or need to steal in order to gain access to.

Anonymous doesn't steal anything. Good job commenting with no understanding of anonymous.

Win7Dev said:

Princeton said:

They too have "cyberwarriors" no doubt, and they also have some pretty nifty funds and accessibilities which Anonymous either lack or need to steal in order to gain access to.

Anonymous doesn't steal anything. Good job commenting with no understanding of anonymous.

Wrong! They have stolen data that they do not rightfully have access to.

princeton princeton said:

Win7Dev said:

Princeton said:

They too have "cyberwarriors" no doubt, and they also have some pretty nifty funds and accessibilities which Anonymous either lack or need to steal in order to gain access to.

Anonymous doesn't steal anything. Good job commenting with no understanding of anonymous.

Wrong! They have stolen data that they do not rightfully have access to.

How about some examples?

Guest said:

This is BS and it doesn't take a genius to know this version of "Anonymous" is really about

princeton princeton said:

This is BS and it doesn't take a genius to know this version of "Anonymous" is really about

Really about what? I think it skipped the last word in your sentence.

OUTLAWXXX said:

God I sense a shit ton of jealousy here lol Some anons might be bad eggs and cocky as **** but I for one agree that sometimes, you gotta **** shit up to get people to wake up and stop acting like corrupt douche bags within government and corporations.

yRaz yRaz said:

Someone mentioned that it wouldn't take a super computer long to work through the encryption. Have you ever heard of 2048 bit encryption? Currently it is impractical to try to decipher 128 bit encryption no mater what the computer is. I'm sure Anon is using the best they can get and I can't ever imagine 2048 bit encryption getting hacked in my life time.

I personally find it sick the our government can do things with our tax dollars that we don't know about. When Anon kills someone, then call them a terrorist. Until then, shut up and stop trying screw everyone over, NATO. The average Joe has no privacy anymore, they could set a camera out side my house and monitor me. The government can look at everything I'm doing with out me even knowing it or getting a warrant (check patroit act). Then, when someone says screw that, they are labeled as criminals. I've always believed that nothing will change unless people are willing to die for it. Basement dwellers or not( I really know nothing about Anon's personal life) I think they are willing to make that sacrifice.

princeton princeton said:

yRaz said:

Someone mentioned that it wouldn't take a super computer long to work through the encryption. Have you ever heard of 2048 bit encryption? Currently it is impractical to try to decipher 128 bit encryption no mater what the computer is. I'm sure Anon is using the best they can get and I can't ever imagine 2048 bit encryption getting hacked in my life time.

I personally find it sick the our government can do things with our tax dollars that we don't know about. When Anon kills someone, then call them a terrorist. Until then, shut up and stop trying screw everyone over, NATO. The average Joe has no privacy anymore, they could set a camera out side my house and monitor me. The government can look at everything I'm doing with out me even knowing it or getting a warrant (check patroit act). Then, when someone says screw that, they are labeled as criminals. I've always believed that nothing will change unless people are willing to die for it. Basement dwellers or not( I really know nothing about Anon's personal life) I think they are willing to make that sacrifice.

Oh the patriot act. Ruining any possible security a US citizen could have. I lost all respect for obama when he extended it.

MilwaukeeMike said:

Well...yRaz... think about this... if Anon were to hack the govt and prove that the govt is not secure it almost definitely would affect the way we perceive the govt's control and ability to function. If we lose faith in that then it's a short step to a lower credit rating on govt bonds. A lower credit rating would cause interest rates to rise (among other things) and rising interest rates is the last thing we need while trying to recover from a recession. So in your mind 'killing someone' is the end all evil deed, but our last recession (millions of jobs lost) was caused by lower credit ratings on mortgage securities, even ones backed by the govt. This isn't even considering events like securities such as swaps and futures changing value over night and causing huge companies to go under.

In other news... 3 Anon members were arrested for the Sony hack.

[link]

Chazz said:

Guest said:

Anonymous may be a bunch of basement dwellers with delusions of grandeur, but I've yet to see them do anything that I've thought was in any way pernicious. Why are some of you so pro-government violence against a bunch of people who's only actions and declared aims thus far are exposing government/corporate corruption and being a mild nuisance. I hate to invoke Godwin's Law but doesn't that kind of bizarre, pro-authoritarian stance remind you of any other groups of citizens in modern history?

It was all fun and games until these guys couldn't play COD on their PSN network. Now anon must die!!!!!

Guest said:

I wonder if they posted that dire message while waiting for the next halo reach game to begin?

"Hey Mom, we're out of Chips"

"so dude, NATO get back to us yet?"

yRaz yRaz said:

Milwaukeemike said:

Well...yRaz... think about this... if Anon were to hack the govt and prove that the govt is not secure it almost definitely would affect the way we perceive the govt's control and ability to function. If we lose faith in that then it's a short step to a lower credit rating on govt bonds. A lower credit rating would cause interest rates to rise (among other things) and rising interest rates is the last thing we need while trying to recover from a recession. So in your mind 'killing someone' is the end all evil deed, but our last recession (millions of jobs lost) was caused by lower credit ratings on mortgage securities, even ones backed by the govt. This isn't even considering events like securities such as swaps and futures changing value over night and causing huge companies to go under.

In other news... 3 Anon members were arrested for the Sony hack.

[link]

Creating jobs isn't what this thread is about. However, I'd be more than happy to humor you. Our jobs problem comes from the corporate heads learning that by making their current empolyees work harder they can higher less of them. I'm getting tired of all these "patriots" saying we need to lower taxes for the richest people on earth to create jobs. What people don't understand is they are already making ludicrous amounts of money and will still make ungodly amounts of money no matter how high taxes are. But, you know, taking money away from my kids education and taking away my medicare are all important things too. You want to create more jobs? Educate people, make public works projects, and create government jobs. Wait, nevermind, laying off state employees and teachers is the perfect way to go about creating jobs. I guess I have to make that sacrifice if my favorite CEO is going to bring home $400m this year. I'm only going to make about $18,000 this year between washing dishes and computer jobs on the side. I work ~50 hours a week and go to school full time year round and that takes another 30 hours a week. I'd like to see them do what I do and take their money away instead of the other way around.

If the private sector isn't going to create jobs then I say raise taxes and let the government do the job creation. I'd like to take a step back for a second, actually, 11 years back to the origin of the bush tax cuts. Those cuts were supposed to help the economy, right? Well, 11 years later(and that is plenty of time to see if something worked) we have yet to see results. Sorry, lowering taxes doesn't not have any effect on creating jobs. We have the last 11 years as evidence to that. BTW, that largest tax cut in history happened under the Obama administration. Liberal/Democratic president my ****.

Guest said:

Your arguement is ad hominem and pointless. The previous poster makes a valid point.

Govenment is, at best, a necessary evil.

Guest said:

Remember when they just used to sign up for Habbo Hotel as black men in suits with afros and blockade swimming pools?

I wonder if any of the script kiddies involved with the nowadays remember. I doubt it.

Guest said:

Anonymous is getting ridiculous, they are going way over the edge. What is their true purpose? To unlock secrets that may be paramount for national security for many countries? They really need to understand that sometimes secrets are secrets. Seriously, use those hacking skills for the greater good.

jonelsorel said:

Guest said:

It's not a mistake and no one dismisses them as socially inept basement dwellers, in fact everyone accepts them as socially inept basement dwellers. They will also be future target practice dummies in countries like Iran, future rape victims in USA prisons, and well those that have to live in **** holes like russia....have to live in **** holes like russia.

In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.

On whose payroll are you again, "guest".. ?

jonelsorel said:

Guest said:

They may be elite hacktivists, but think about it. the US Gov't, even China has 'cyberwarriors' that could pinpoint the location of every Anon member, all they need is a MAC Address, ISP, and bam the NSA can just single out the Lat/Long coordinates and Team Six goes in for the kill.

How about if your govt wakes up one day - hypothetically speaking - thinking that you know too much for its own well-being, and decides to fancy your face behind some bars?

Do you really think that all those heavy names that got hacked along the years (Nasa, FBI, and the list goes on for a mile) really shared with you ALL the times they got f****ed? Or the extent of the information breached?

Do you really think that someone smart enough to hack into the NSA or FBI is stupid enough to leave tracks so that you can see his name in a newspaper 2 months before a new law's to pass to "protect the people" from the dangerous cyberattackers out to steal their identities and MONEY..

And electronic voting machines are 100% foolproof?

Nobody asks you to know humanity's whole history by heart. Just focus on the last 20 years.

Ask. Think.

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