Anonymous to NATO: do not challenge us

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The hacker group Anonymous has warned the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) not to challenge it. NATO may have more resources than Anonymous, but the "hacktivist" group clearly believes it would come out victorious in a fight.

The warning comes after a 2011 Spring Session report issued last month by Lord Joplin, general rapporteur of NATO. The report provided a broader look into the growing danger of cyberattacks and how governments should respond to them, and made a point to warn NATO member nations about the rising threat of "hacktivism," which refers to hacking for political purposes.

NATO specifically mentioned Anonymous seven times, including the group's initiatives against Australia, Egypt, Iran, Tunisia, the Church of Scientology, Mastercard, Visa, PayPal, the Swiss bank PostFinance, and HBGary Federal. The report cautioned that Anonymous was becoming more sophisticated, and that it could hack into sensitive government, military, and corporate information. Here's an excerpt on what NATO thinks about the group:

Today, the ad hoc international group of hackers and activists is said to have thousands of operatives and has no set rules or membership. It remains to be seen how much time Anonymous has for pursuing such paths. The longer these attacks persist the more likely countermeasures will be developed, implemented, the groups will be infiltrated and perpetrators persecuted.

Anonymous has since responded. Here's the crux of the warning, courtesy of Google cache:

Finally, do not make the mistake of challenging Anonymous. Do not make the mistake of believing you can behead a headless snake. If you slice off one head of Hydra, ten more heads will grow in its place. If you cut down one Anon, ten more will join us purely out of anger at your trampling of dissent.

In the report, Joplin asked how NATO should react if one of its member nations was the victim of a cyberattack. It appears that if Anonymous were to attack NATO or one of its members, the organization has no plan of action on how to respond:

More importantly, NATO needs to devise its policy regarding the key question of how to react to cyber attacks against one of its member states. Can one invoke Article 5 of the Washington Treaty after a cyber attack? And what response mechanisms should the Alliance employ against the attacker? Should the retaliation be limited to cyber means only, or should conventional military strikes also be considered? Furthermore, the Alliance must decide to what extent it can engage in co‑operation on sensitive cyber issues with partner countries, such as Russia.

Last month, the US disclosed its International Strategy for Cyberspace. The document revealed the US government could respond to cyber-attacks with military force, especially if someone were to pull off a serious cyberspace hack against the US, its allies, its partners, or in a way to threaten its interests.

We don't think it would get to that point.

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Well... aren't Anonymous one to puff up...

NATO/OTAN hasn't exactly responded to potential threats lightly. Anonymous uses DDoS-attacks, NATO uses aircraft carriers. Every Anon lives somewhere, and even though ten heads will grow off the decapitated "Hydra", it can only grow 'so-many' heads.
 
great, a bunch of cyber nerds living in mom's basement have delusions of grandeur

note to NATO; make sure the safety switch is in the "off" position during any raids.
 
great, a bunch of cyber nerds living in mom's basement have delusions of grandeur

note to NATO; make sure the safety switch is in the "off" position during any raids.

See this is where everyone makes their massive mistakes: Dismissing hackers as nothing more than socially inept basement dwellers.

Take them seriously - because they are certainly seriously taking major networks down.
 
I agree with Zilpha. Everyday another company discloses information about how their databases have been compromised. It's not to be taken lightly. And Lokalaskurar, what good is an aircraft carrier going to do?
 
It's not a mistake and no one dismisses them as socially inept basement dwellers, in fact everyone accepts them as socially inept basement dwellers. They will also be future target practice dummies in countries like Iran, future rape victims in USA prisons, and well those that have to live in **** holes like russia....have to live in **** holes like russia.

In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.
 
Mr./Mrs. prismatics, the aircraft carrier was just a metaphor... Even though there are serious crackers out there which do destroy networks from time to time, don't forget that NATO/OTAN is an enormous organization which specialises in hostile interaction.

They too have "cyberwarriors" no doubt, and they also have some pretty nifty funds and accessibilities which Anonymous either lack or need to steal in order to gain access to.
 
It's not a mistake and no one dismisses them as socially inept basement dwellers, in fact everyone accepts them as socially inept basement dwellers. They will also be future target practice dummies in countries like Iran, future rape victims in USA prisons, and well those that have to live in **** holes like russia....have to live in **** holes like russia.

In the end, a criminal is still a criminal (be it thief or pasty skinned 30 yr old virgin basement dweller) and none should ever be taken seriously other then hunted down like the scum bags they are.

You trivialize many things - such as rape and murder. I wonder if you have any empathy at all.

I understand the issue makes you upset, but these are still human beings we are talking about.
 
i'm not trivializing anything. Criminals do get killed all the time in Iran and other "fanatic" countries and they do get raped in USA prisons. I have little sympathy for them as they simply "should know better". Let's not confuse some low life trying to get a cheap "big man" thrill with people who are trying to attain freedom in countries like Iran through cyber attacks. They have my full support.

Some ******* stealing CC# or taking down the Sony network should be headed to prison and receive everything they truly deserve...including being on the receiving end "drop the soap in the prison shower"
 
Guys, if I was NATO I would be sh*ting my pants. Didn't any of you see Live Free or Die Hard?

LOL
 
Guys, if I was NATO I would be sh*ting my pants. Didn't any of you see Live Free or Die Hard?

LOL

Sure did :D - Still support OTAN though.

Let me use a quote from Die Hard (or was it Live Free...? Could've mixed them up)
"If one man is capable of everything, then what are a group of thousand people capable of?"

Anonymous vs NATO is like Justin Bieber vs Beethoven, "IMO".

Even though Anonymous can put up a fight, you don't go picking fights with someone who is licensed to kill. Or even better; don't care whether or not he actually is licensed.
 
It's all fun and games until someone slaps a black hood over your head and you wake up in Cuba.

Anon is about two hacks away from being declared a terrorist organization. Couple that with the recent statement about the use of force to respond to cyber attacks, well, I'm not sure about this course of action. I seriously doubt 99% of these guys would have the balls to stand up to actual interrogation.
 
They may be elite hacktivists, but think about it. the US Gov't, even China has 'cyberwarriors' that could pinpoint the location of every Anon member, all they need is a MAC Address, ISP, and bam the NSA can just single out the Lat/Long coordinates and Team Six goes in for the kill.
 
Don't challenge them? Attacking them will only result in a stronger Anonymous they say? That sounds a lot like Al Qaeda, and we haven't stopped hunting them down. I've got three words for them... SEAL Team Six.

They tell us they will continue to attack governments who don't do the will of the people. Since they will decide when that will is worthy of supporting the world will be subject to their rule, right? And they're doing this to prevent governments from weilding too much power?

Does anyone else appreciate the irony in a transparency group calling themselves Anonymous?

If anyone from that group is reading this... But down the bong, turn off Fight Club, and get a job.
 
Anonymous may be a bunch of basement dwellers with delusions of grandeur, but I've yet to see them do anything that I've thought was in any way pernicious. Why are some of you so pro-government violence against a bunch of people who's only actions and declared aims thus far are exposing government/corporate corruption and being a mild nuisance. I hate to invoke Godwin's Law but doesn't that kind of bizarre, pro-authoritarian stance remind you of any other groups of citizens in modern history?
 
I've got three words for them... SEAL Team Six.

I fail to see what they have to do with any of this - and frankly it did take them the better part of a decade to track him down..... And he was just living in the desert with a bunch of concubines - he wasn't a savvy hacker.

Government is out of control, and has been for a long time.
 
@Guest 12:55 PM:
[sarcasm]Yes, because members of Anonymous don't use any means to stay anonymous.[/sarcasm] *facepalm*
 
Yes, send in the Seals to gun down these evil hackers! Go corrupt goverment! Go USA!
 
LOL, when you know what your doing, its alot harder to trace the origin of hacker.
 
Guest said:
Anonymous may be a bunch of basement dwellers with delusions of grandeur, but I've yet to see them do anything that I've thought was in any way pernicious. Why are some of you so pro-government violence against a bunch of people who's only actions and declared aims thus far are exposing government/corporate corruption and being a mild nuisance. I hate to invoke Godwin's Law but doesn't that kind of bizarre, pro-authoritarian stance remind you of any other groups of citizens in modern history?

Yes, viewing a decentralized group of people that anyone can join and do anything they want once becoming "members" as dangerous is very bizzare and pro-authoritarian. I personally love it when some people decide to hack into some corporation and steal account and credit card data. I mean, that's really sticking it to The Man when you force 70 million people to essentially reset their lives and live in fear for a while.

When Al-Queda or the Taliban decide to strike a blow against Americans, what do they do? They blow up a bomb in a crowded marketplace. Killing 1 American and 200 of their fellow countrymen. This is pretty much what Anon is doing in their war against corporate corruption. They cause an inconvenience for their target, and screw over tons of bystanders in the process.

So some of us are not as much being Nazis here, but realize that this isn't Barcelona in 1936 and Anon is more likely to do us harm than any good.

As with all things, these ideological movements eventually all turned out to be about money. Wikileaks is keeping all the data secret for future sale, and prohibiting any of their contributors from leaking their info to any site as they will destroy the "commercial value" of the info that Wikileaks is holding. Anonymous is stealing credit card numbers. Childhood is over, welcome to the grown up world.
 
hello ...

i think i already said so once, those hackers, better be careful for now the government will accept that new law & soon they will all be declared terrorists, it's not that i do care, but it's never good to be in war. there is always collateral damage

cheers!
 
Someone who worked for 20 years in IT&C both for US government and US corporations once told me (in relation to WikiLeaks): "You never, never go against the government; they will always win because they have so much money they can spend carelessly". Unfortunately, he is right.
 
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