As I pointed out above, the FTC has sued hynix and Samsung for price fixing the ram market before. Both companies paid fines.
After nearly 30 years, Micron is shutting down Crucial and leaving the consumer RAM market
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Megalomaniac
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Inthenstus
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Trump still living in your head rent free I see.
Posters like you make TDS a real thing...
This isn't about price fixing...
Costs are driven by demand spikes from AI servers, and production cycles, not a new price fixing scheme. Did you read the article?
Theinsanegamer
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This is the fourth or fifth "end of the PC market" I've lived through. Sonehow we'll be fine.
Remember the hard drive floods of 2012? What about the GPU shortages of 2014?
Dont waste your breath. He's got terminal TDS and MDS with a healthy dose of willful ignorance. No matter what numbers you cite he'll just return to adhominims and TDS.
Well.....about that.
These companies, conveniently, were cutting production a few months back, now suddenly there's a "demand spike" when AI purchases have been raging for nearly 2 years?
Yeah no. That fish smells awfully strong. Especially when these companies have been caught and convicted of doing this exact same thing before.
This is absolutely about price fixing, but OpenAI is the culprit, not the ram makers.
As I pointed out already, the FTC has intervened in the ram market before, and fines were issued.
Squid Surprise
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Okay, but Trump is gutting the FTC and other consumer protection agencies. He fired the AGs. So yeah good luck with that happening. We are ****ed
RudyBob
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If you expound on your claim I would be interested. What have they done to destroy the RAM market or are you just writing that?
Squid Surprise
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No… they haven’t… the DOJ has…
daffy duck
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Wow that some truly blind posting. This site has been a hateful toxic mess for several years nows and virtually every thread has been hijacked by a certain subset of Techspot's posters. We all know who they are. It's almost as bad as wccftech at times on this site.
BuckarooBonzaii
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It's a cycle and companies do this all the time. Go where the money is at, get in on the ground floor and once things cool down switch gears. Companies drop products all the time.
Won't matter much if they still source DRAM for other companies, I am reading they mostly shutdown Crucial as a brand, not that they leave the consumer DRAM market entirely but obviously AI demand will make prices go up regardless
Hopefully many of the smaller DRAM companies will step up now and try to meet demand, this is their golden moment really
Samsung and SK Hynix are much bigger players than Micron
Nanya, Winbond and more, could step up, there is many more players around the world but I am not sure how advanced their memory is in terms of MT/s and timings
Hopefully many of the smaller DRAM companies will step up now and try to meet demand, this is their golden moment really
Samsung and SK Hynix are much bigger players than Micron
Nanya, Winbond and more, could step up, there is many more players around the world but I am not sure how advanced their memory is in terms of MT/s and timings
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Yeah, that’s basically how I’m seeing it too. Micron isn’t exiting DRAM production as a whole, they’re just retiring Crucial as a consumer brand and redirecting that capacity toward higher margin AI and enterprise customers. So while Micron silicon will still show up in OEM modules and other brands, the consumer Crucial lineup is what’s going away.
And you’re right, even if availability doesn’t collapse, AI demand is going to push prices up across the board. When data centers are buying anything with pins on it, the consumer market gets whatever is left over.
AI is absorbing absurd amounts of compute, memory, storage, and GPU's, and enterprise buyers can pay far more than individual consumers. That creates a distortion where companies prioritize AI and enterprise products first and treat the consumer market as optional. We have been here before, and this will happen again as history has shown us.
Burty117
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Samsung? Which is South Korea.
Speaking of, What RAM does come out of China? I thought pretty much all RAM comes from:
- Micron (Taiwan)
- Samsung (South Korea)
- SK hynix (South Korea)
If China is making RAM, that would be great! They'd be able to bring prices back down assuming they actually compete with the big three above.
The only toxicity I regularly see is the same few individuals touting TDS when someone says something they dont agree with or screaming about toxicity. When you read through the thread, its obvious. TDS is the go to for when they cant defend an argument. Pigeon shitting all over the board and claiming victory. Repeat it enough, they believe themselves.
a four word sentence triggered the toxic responses. The reaction to those 4 words is far more toxic than the message that was said.
Kirby this is a both sides issue, the money used to do this comes from the Chips act, that Biden wanted, both sides are screwing us right now with this non sense.
Price fixing means the companies collude together to set a price themselves, what OpenAI has done is said we will buy your entire supply for X amount, and the ram companies said yes, that's legally not price fixing, but I do hope Sam Altman gets ****ing cancer.
What we do need is a 4th party, someone check on TI in Dallas see if they are willing, they've got fabs and made memory in the 80's, maybe they'd be willing to get back in the game.
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