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Alleged Radeon RX 3000 details leak: a $250 RTX 2070 competitor?

By midian182 · 59 replies
Dec 6, 2018
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  1. 144hzGamer

    144hzGamer TS Rookie Posts: 19   +8

    I have nvidia for years (after hd5870) and I do like nvidia products, but damn some guys fanboyism is out of control. What does it matter if nvidia has rtx 2080ti as best gpu, if amd can deliver those gpus with such good price? Moat used GPUs on steam are 1050ti 1060 1050 lol! Thats the type of cards ppl buy. Having rtx2070 performance for 300€ is very good!
     
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  2. sac39507

    sac39507 TS Addict Posts: 202   +80

    Why copy someone else in the naming convention? Be unique and call it something else. It just makes you look like someone's little pet dog by copying them so closely. Call it the AVC5000.1 (there I just randomly thought of a name... AVC for Awesome Video Card).
     
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  3. CaptainTom

    CaptainTom TS Maniac Posts: 363   +171

    Geez there are just so many people who do not get what "die shrink" means.

    Compare the 220w Vega 56 to the 250w 980 Ti. The Vega 56 is a solid 20% stronger while having 60% the die size. That's really not that different than what the rumored RX 3080 is vs the 2070.
     
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  4. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,647   +1,877

    No, the problem is that Nvidia pays devs to code for their architecture. It isn't a driver problem on AMDs side, it's shady business practices on Nvidias side to specifically cripple AMD cards.
     
  5. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,295   +796

    *sigh*
    AMD does bad = "AMD will be back stronger than ever!"
    AMD does well = Intel and NVIDIA are finished!
     
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  6. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,295   +796

    But, but, but it's not working with Zen chipsets. ;)
     
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  7. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 2,295   +796

    From the article:
    "All of this is unsubstantiated information, of course, so taking with a grain of salt is advisable. But AdoredTV did reveal that Nvidia’s latest card would be called the RTX 2080 long before its release..."

    But he predicted a model name?! LMAO!
    How does that compare to what he claimed in the video again?
     
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  8. toooooot

    toooooot TS Evangelist Posts: 388   +171

    250$ price vs 500$ card? Come one, AMD isn't that stupid when they know 450 will make customers beg to take their money.
     
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  9. quadibloc

    quadibloc TS Enthusiast Posts: 29   +14

    Even if this leak proves largely accurate, I suspect that AMD's graphics cards won't have ray-tracing capabilities similar to those of the NVIDIA cards. They're still the better buy in the near term, as few games make any use of ray-tracing, of course. By the time that changes, it'll probably be time for a new video card anyway.
     
  10. Potato Judge

    Potato Judge TS Booster Posts: 148   +65

    Here's hoping it's not just a rumor. That naming scheme though XD.
     
  11. Sausagemeat

    Sausagemeat TS Maniac Posts: 293   +141

    If this leak is true then AMDs strategy must be to take advantage of lesser informed consumers with the naming scheme. So it’s just standard AMD dirty tricks, they did manage to pull a fast one on reviewers with a phantom rebate on Vega 64 last year if you remember.

    All that being said consumers should do their research. I don’t like the naming scheme but I would still say it’s a consumers fault if they buy say a 3070 and expect it to perform as good or better than an RTX 2070.
     
  12. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 10,786   +4,592

    Funny thing about that is the fact I thought the same about nVidia. Why would they name their card with "RTX"? That sounds too much like a Radeon prefix to me. So if you ask me, nVidia ask for this.
     
  13. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,647   +1,877

    AMD has stated they aren't going to bother with Ray tracing. Even nvidiNv highest end card, the 2080ti, is barely playable with Ray tracing enabled at 1080p. I play at 4k and don't really care about Ray tracing. I use a 65" 4k TV to play Eve and civilization. Screen realestreal is much more important than gimmicks like Ray tracing that are still several generations away from being practical
     
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  14. Ming CHOW

    Ming CHOW TS Member Posts: 21

    ADORED TV is hardly ever wrong and I don't want to be branded a pessimist or a hater. I love my Nvidia cards but I also love AMD for being competitive. I do think about switching to the Red team after going Green and Blue. However I want the audience to see the truth with the current "MARKET" situation. How sure are we that the RX3080's are going to be at the ~$250 USD price point? How will GDDR6 ram cost cheap enough to manufacture RX3080's because memory costs way too much plus there is the memory price fixing, and the high demand for the mobile and server solutions. AIB partners need to make some profit. When it gets to the retailers they are going to jack up prices. There will be high demands for an RX3080, that will probably be in low volumes. Everyone all over the world would want to get their hands on it because of the price. To me it's just a marketing hype to create a demand for them. Just like the time AMD & Nvidia cards were sold out during the crypto mining era and who knows maybe another repeat in the future. If I ever get an RX3080 at MSRP at launch from a retailer, then I will believe it. For now I'm just going to take this with a grain of salt.
     
  15. OcelotRex

    OcelotRex TS Guru Posts: 525   +284

    Looking again to the Steam Survey, Intel/Nvidia have a 5:1 market share in CPU/GPU respectively. Their strategy with Ryzen has been comparable performance at get value, sometimes half the price or more.

    I am hoping I am not being too optimistic on the pricing/performance but this fits in well with the current AMD strategy to regain marketshare.
     
  16. Maxiking

    Maxiking TS Rookie

    He has been wrong pretty often he just keeps parroting "as I predicted" so that way he creates the false impresion how his predictions are on spot, not to mention that his predictions aren't any predictions just publicly available articles on the net and thoughts, work of other people.

    This is "leak" is totally unrealistic, 7nm is not matured, it costs 2 times more, yields also won't be that high. And because he is such a fanboi, he can not see past that and just keep parroting again, that he predicted something in the past and this leak is pretty realistic and credible. Even half of the things about the RTX leak were wrong and video turned into anti Nvidia pamphlet.

    Not to mention, GLOFO was working on improving 7nm, because frequencies weren't high, to reach 5ghz. They gave up, as usually, because it would cost a lot of money and no one except AMD to produce on that node for. It would not paid off.

    And now, 5GHZ OUT OF THE BOX. Sure.
     
  17. Theinsanegamer

    Theinsanegamer TS Evangelist Posts: 1,372   +1,496

    I am suspicious. While AMD has made a killing with ryzen, and I'm sure RTG has gotten a nice reorg now that raja is finally gone, it doesnt seem like enough time to build a brand new GPU arch. If Navi is a evolution of polaris or VEGA, then those TDP ratings with that much more performance are awfully optimistic.

    As always, wait for reviews. Remember that the 480 was going to be a great OCer, super efficient, then vega 64 was going to be a 1080ti competitor, then AMD pulled pricing shenanigans with the vega rebates. I wont put it past AMD's slides to show amazing TDPs under very specific workloads. AMD has a long habit of over-promising and under delivering, just like nvidia.

    Not that high power consumption is a problem, I have no issue with my vega 64, but it does limit OC and chip growth headroom. AMD fixing these issues would be great, but I'm not holding my breath for navi. I'll happily take being surprised though.
     
  18. Pastuch

    Pastuch TS Rookie

    Nvidia should abandon the RTX branding and pretend the 20XX series didn't happen. Release the 1180, 1170, 1160.
     
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  19. Adhmuz

    Adhmuz TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,886   +680

    First AMD does it to Intel with their X399 platform, now they're doing the same to Nvidia with RX3080. Can't they just come up with something unique? Vega was a good step towards a naming scheme that stood out, now they're going back to stealing the identity of the competition in the hopes to get unknowing consumers to buy their products? I guess I should be glad it's not yet another rebranded product. But in reality if AMD produces a good solid performing GPU at a better than the competition price it'll sell itself.
     
  20. Pastuch

    Pastuch TS Rookie

    I've had far more issues with drivers for my 1080ti than I ever did with my R9 290. Also, the R9 290 cost less than half as much money.
     
  21. m3tavision

    m3tavision TS Enthusiast Posts: 86   +47


    Correct^

    AMD is using the RX 3k series naming, to put a stop-gap/end to Nvidia's practice of "robbing" the customer through marketing. As such, a 3070 at $199 bucks.., then who really cares if the "3070" is underpar (to Nvidia's $500 GTX2070), that is why AMD has the $250 RX 3080... (u lost?)

    No consumer can be at fault for buying either AMD 3k series card. They are pure win/win...
     
  22. Morphine Child

    Morphine Child TS Member Posts: 21   +23

    Looks like I am replacing my R5 1600 / R9 390 combo with new AMD 3000 combo of some sort. Bring it on AMD, it's about damn time to upgrade without selling my kidney :D
     
  23. Maxiking

    Maxiking TS Rookie

    Talks about marketing and robbing customers after the Vega fiasco and its high price which was higher than quicker Nvidia counterparts.


    Cool story bro.
     
  24. Maxiking

    Maxiking TS Rookie

    Also, just the naming scheme will tell you those cards will be nothing special.

    If your product is good or better, you won't copy competitor naming scheme because you want your products to be unique and set new levels of performance people would associate the branding name with.

    If your product is technologically inferior and due to that slower and cheaper, then is the time for such move and to leech by using similar branding names. People may think it is a newer model or something with similar performance.

    Not to mention that those RX5xx models which the market is flooded by, are being sold by AMD with near zero profit because the stocks are full and they want to get rid of them. So keep dreaming about those prices and performance, VRAM isn't cheap and 7nm costs 2 times as much and yields are lower.
     
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  25. OcelotRex

    OcelotRex TS Guru Posts: 525   +284

    Xbox 360 vs. PS3 comes to mind; that worked out well for Microsoft.
     

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