AMD announces Threadripper 3990X: 64 cores / 128 threads for $3,990

[wiyosaya]

* Intel's security is a mess, you can thank them now for enabling the piracy of 4K Blu-ray in the near future.

Funny you should say that. I asked Cyberlink whether they would enable 4K Blu-ray playback in PowerDVD now that Intel is phasing out Kaby Lake CPUs, and their response was that Intel CPUs are the only ones that currently support the protection required by the international Blu-ray association. IMO, not a wise decision by the international Blu-ray association. Perhaps they will thank Intel for enabling 4K Blu-ray piracy.


I just wish AMD would get on the ball and support 4K Blu-ray protections as mandated by the International Blu-ray association.

 

[wiyosaya]

I don't know! I was kinda expecting a response to Ryzen from them before now. If Intel doesn't get a grip on sub 10nm die, their ship will sink. I'm beginning to think they would rather sink, than contract from other fabs.

Well, maybe not sink, but ATM, they are surely not keeping up with the leaks in the ship.

 

[Squid Surprise]

After analyzing the prices as compare to intel what do you guys say, is it cheaper than intel???

Well, it depends.... if you just want the "top-of-the-line" Intel Consumer CPU, then no... Intel's is far cheaper... of course, the 3990 blows it out of the water.... the closest equivalent (had you read the article) would be dual-Xeon server CPUs - which still lose (in one test given by AMD), but also cost like 10 times more than AMD

 

[EEatGDL]

Funny you should say that. I asked Cyberlink whether they would enable 4K Blu-ray playback in PowerDVD now that Intel is phasing out Kaby Lake CPUs, and their response was that Intel CPUs are the only ones that currently support the protection required by the international Blu-ray association.

Oh yeah, but you're missing a piece of information: the SGX extension used to play 4K BDs just got cracked. Turns out that by undervolting the CPU the SGX unit starts to spit encryption keys due to a recovery mechanism for non-critical errors. So by doing this you can extract all the encryption keys for any 4K BD you like and then work from there to crack the disc, with all the time in the world.

 

[wiyosaya]

After analyzing the prices as compare to intel what do you guys say, is it cheaper than intel???

We had that same argument when sIntel was pricing their CPUs in the $2K range. IMO, that happened because sIntel had no competition at the time; however, I also think that has enabled AMD to step right in and price their CPUs similarly because the market has adjusted to that price point for HEDT CPUs.

For me, that does not mean that the prices are good; I certainly will not buy at that price point. Rather, it was a consequence of a lack of competition. A similar thing happened in the Athlon FX days before sIntel released Core 2 procs. AMD had a clear lead and priced their procs at the top of CPU pricing scale for the time.

For me, I may choose to wait until the next gen CPUs come out, then buy used. There are some excellent deals to be had in the used market space.

Oh yeah, but you're missing a piece of information: the SGX extension used to play 4K BDs just got cracked. Turns out that by undervolting the CPU the SGX unit starts to spit encryption keys due to a recovery mechanism for non-critical errors. So by doing this you can extract all the encryption keys for any 4K BD you like and then work from there to crack the disc, with all the time in the world.

Interesting, and awesome, IMO. I wonder if that will mean that it will be easier to crack the encryption so that those of us who have compliant 4K UHD drives can watch a 4K BR on our PC?

 

[amstech]

You diss on AMD

PC Gamer's results of having AMD in 3rd place for gaming is a diss now everyone. I am not allowed to say they are average for PC gaming, not that much better core against core, and my prediction Intel will best them in 18 months is hyperbole.
You guys like to believe what you want to believe, but the whole truth thing, doesn't sit so well. Deal with it, its annoying to hear the whimpering.

 

[Lionvibez]

PC Gamer's results of having AMD in 3rd place for gaming is a diss now everyone. I am not allowed to say they are average for PC gaming, not that much better core against core, and my prediction Intel will best them in 18 months is hyperbole.
You guys like to believe what you want to believe, but the whole truth thing, doesn't sit so well. Deal with it, its annoying to hear the whimpering.

On another note considering this is a product launch for Threadripper which is not really a gaming cpu what relevance does gaming have to do with the topic?

This is a $4000 Dollar cpu at the end of the day.

 

[Lew Zealand]

He repeats the same thing every post and name calls (troll tactics) and seems to be justifying something personal, a computer-related purchase maybe. If there's something positive posted about AMD, his responses are inevitably about how Intel has a gaming advantage, yet equally inevitably neglecting to mention how you need a $700+ GPU to notice. Edit: Oops, or gaming at 1080p lo quality, which of course is why everyone builds a $2K PC.

Same old thing.

 

[amstech]

yet equally inevitably neglecting

The gaming advantage is prevalent at various resolutions with various AMD and Nvidia GPU's and CPU configurations. Techspot (and every other Tech site) have great reviews here showing the difference.
Anyone saying its just noticeable on a $700 GPU is just choosing to ignore the facts.

Best CPU for gaming: these are the chips I recommend for gaming, productivity and peace of mind

Fire up your rig with the best CPU for gaming. More cores, more clocks, more of everything that matters.

www.pcgamer.com

Sorry that the "new amazing Ryzen" core for core and thread for thread, is only about equal or barely better then Intel's copied and pasted architecture from 5 years ago.
Look up a 8/16 3800X vs a 8/16 9900K across all benchmarks, but if your an AMD fanboy, might want to turn your head on the gaming results.
I know I know, amstech is neglecting Ryzen and being a homer for Intel, and what I am posting isn't true at all.
Ohh wait. Damn it! It is.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The gaming advantage is prevalent at various resolutions with various AMD and Nvidia GPU's and CPU configurations. Techspot (and every other Tech site) have great reviews here showing the difference.
Anyone saying its just noticeable on a $700 GPU is just choosing to ignore the facts.

Best CPU for gaming: these are the chips I recommend for gaming, productivity and peace of mind

Fire up your rig with the best CPU for gaming. More cores, more clocks, more of everything that matters.

www.pcgamer.com

Sorry that the "new amazing Ryzen" core for core and thread for thread, is only about equal or barely better then Intel's copied and pasted architecture from 5 years ago.
Look up a 8/16 3800X vs a 8/16 9900K across all benchmarks, but if your an AMD fanboy, might want to turn your head on the gaming results.
I know I know, amstech is neglecting Ryzen and being a homer for Intel, and what I am posting isn't true at all.
Ohh wait. Damn it! It is.

You missed the point. Again.

This is a 64c128t Threadripper story. Intel need not apply because they do not compete.

Yet you still feel the need to justify Intel by bringing up their small advantage in gaming.

In a HEDT story about a $4K CPU.

 

[amstech]

You missed the point. Again

You can't seem to comprehend anything.
My posts were a response to someone replying to my comment about Intel probably not letting this go more then 18 months.
Am I not entitled to my opinion based on my experience?
Does my opinion offend you? Tough Sh!t.

 

[Boshum]

The gaming advantage is prevalent at various resolutions with various AMD and Nvidia GPU's and CPU configurations. Techspot (and every other Tech site) have great reviews here showing the difference.
Anyone saying its just noticeable on a $700 GPU is just choosing to ignore the facts.

Best CPU for gaming: these are the chips I recommend for gaming, productivity and peace of mind

Fire up your rig with the best CPU for gaming. More cores, more clocks, more of everything that matters.

www.pcgamer.com

Sorry that the "new amazing Ryzen" core for core and thread for thread, is only about equal or barely better then Intel's copied and pasted architecture from 5 years ago.
Look up a 8/16 3800X vs a 8/16 9900K across all benchmarks, but if your an AMD fanboy, might want to turn your head on the gaming results.
I know I know, amstech is neglecting Ryzen and being a homer for Intel, and what I am posting isn't true at all.
Ohh wait. Damn it! It is.

Looking at DIY sales, the slight performance advantage of the 9900K is not worth the cons to most gaming enthusiasts. You are in the minority.

 

[Lew Zealand]

You can't seem to comprehend anything.
My posts were a response to someone replying to my comment about Intel probably not letting this go more then 18 months.
Am I not entitled to my opinion based on my experience?
Does my opinion offend you? Tough Sh!t.

Lol dude, that was me. Anyhow, sry to trigger the swears and take it easy.

 

[amstech]

Looking at DIY sales, the slight performance advantage of the 9900K is not worth the cons to most gaming enthusiasts.

It's not a slight advantage in gaming, its a massive advantage.
It takes AMD's best to hang with Intel's $350 CPU.
And judging by CPU market share, I am not the minority.
I like Ryzen, I have recommended it to people, its excellent, but for gaming, its 3rd place.
But I guess you folks know more then PC Gamer. Take it up with them.

 

[Boshum]

It's not a slight advantage in gaming, its a massive advantage.
It takes AMD's best to hang with Intel's $350 CPU.
And judging by CPU market share, I am not the minority.
I like Ryzen, I have recommended it to people, its excellent, but for gaming, its 3rd place.
But I guess you folks know more then PC Gamer. Take it up with them.

It's not a massive advantage to the vast majority of DIY'ers (and not a massive advantage period). You are in the minority of DIY'ers (do you build your own?). Grandmas and businesses buying pre-builts aren't as knowledgeable about gaming and processor merit like enthusiasts that build their own computers. Intel is good in laptops though, so there's that.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Intel is good in laptops though, so there's that.

I'm sure when I get ready to purchase again. Intel will be good enough, even if Ryzen may be a better purchase. Just because one is better than the other doesn't make the other a bad product. If you want to start talking about bad qualities. I'm sure they both have them.

 

[Boshum]

I'm sure when I get ready to purchase again. Intel will be good enough, even if Ryzen may be a better purchase. Just because one is better than the other doesn't make the other a bad product. If you want to start talking about bad qualities. I'm sure they both have them.

I didn't say Intel was a bad product, but it doesn't provide an 'unqualified' better gaming experience as some would like you to believe.

 

[red1776]

AMD is a component company. They've exhausted their core count strategy and now have to go head on with what has plagued them for decades - clock speeds, thermals and consistency.

Good luck, AMD.

Funny you should mention that...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intels-new-desktop-processor-draws-too-much-power
From Toms Hardware article-

Intel hosted its CES 2020 press conference three days ago, but there wasn't a peep about Comet Lake-S during the entire event. According to a ComputerBase report, Comet Lake-S's delay could be attributed to the chipmaker's inability to keep the 10-core chip's power consumption within reasonable limits.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-reportedly-delayed-10th-gen-desktop-due-to-high-power-consumption.html

https://www.techradar.com/news/inte...e-delayed-due-to-power-demands-of-10-core-cpu

Good luck, AMD...Intel

 

[Porkous]

Intel has far more resources

Focusing on this idea alone. I've seen this argument a couple of times written across the boards. I assume someone came with an simple answer?


AMD is a smaller company, its easier to manage and has much room to grow in the stock markets.
Also ARM is a small company, and you cannot call it that way. The hyperbole had other meaning?
TSMC is a small company... Huge impact in the industry, such a small market cap. The expectation would be that they are way bigger than anything, but actually the company is quite small in comparison to others like Samsung, Intel, or Apple.

No matter how small AMD might be, the industry and the position they are into, do make them an important player. The asset in this industry is the talent, the ideas and the flexibility of implementing stuff at the right time for the right thing.

IMO, AMD CEO is better, so is the Nvidia CEO. You need someone who breathes and lives for the industry and the tech

ARM Number of employees: About 6,250 (2018)
AMD Number of employees About 10,100 (2018)

 

[Joray K Joseph]

I'm sure AMD will have lines of people lined up to drop $1000 - $4000 on a CPU.

I mean their 3970x $2000 chip has been out of stock for quite some time as well as the 3960x and 3950x

 

[Squid Surprise]

I mean their 3970x $2000 chip has been out of stock for quite some time as well as the 3960x and 3950x

3970 and 3960 are in stock.... check amazon.... where are you getting your info from?

 

[red1776]

It's not a slight advantage in gaming, its a massive advantage.
It takes AMD's best to hang with Intel's $350 CPU.
And judging by CPU market share, I am not the minority.
I like Ryzen, I have recommended it to people, its excellent, but for gaming, its 3rd place.
But I guess you folks know more then PC Gamer. Take it up with them.

First of all, your definition of massive needs work.
Secondly you must be referring to the PC Gamer March 2017 review of the Ryzen CPU's because when I "went to take it up with them" , I was met with this
hhttps://www.pcgamer.com/hardware-of-the-year-awards-2019/ttps://www.pcgamer.com/hardware-of-the-year-awards-2019/

You know, something actually written/reviewed in the last three years. In fact here is an excerpt from PC Gamers ( the site you buttressed your points with) evaluation of all things CPU for gamers in the year of our lord 2000+19.

Easily the most exciting thing to happen in the world of CPUs this year is AMD's launch of its third generation Ryzen processors, and the Zen 2 architecture. Of those, the Ryzen 9 3900X is our favorite, balancing price, features, and performance. It doesn't necessarily top Intel's Core i9-9900K when it comes to pure gaming performance, but it's close enough to not usually matter. More importantly, it delivers 50 percent more cores at the same price, with higher per-core performance than AMD's previous Ryzen parts.

….huh...isn't that interesting? doesn't seem to be saying anything close to your assertions of either "massive" or "3rd place"

Rock on 'overlord'

 

[Squid Surprise]

Easily the most exciting thing to happen in the world of CPUs this year is AMD's launch of its third generation Ryzen processors, and the Zen 2 architecture. Of those, the Ryzen 9 3900X is our favorite, balancing price, features, and performance. It doesn't necessarily top Intel's Core i9-9900K when it comes to pure gaming performance, but it's close enough to not usually matter. More importantly, it delivers 50 percent more cores at the same price, with higher per-core performance than AMD's previous Ryzen parts.



….huh...isn't that interesting? doesn't seem to be saying anything close to your assertions of either "massive" or "3rd place"

Rock on 'overlord'

Actually... while it clearly says the 3900X is a better bargain, it clearly DOES state that the 9900 is the better gaming CPU... did you not READ the article you linked to?

amstech isn't arguing the "better buy"... he's stating that if you want the BEST GAMING CPU, the Intel is king... and he's right...

 

[red1776]

Actually... while it clearly says the 3900X is a better bargain, it clearly DOES state that the 9900 is the better gaming CPU... did you not READ the article you linked to?

amstech isn't arguing the "better buy"... he's stating that if you want the BEST GAMING CPU, the Intel is king... and he's right...

Sorry, the repeated use of 'massive lead', and saying things like 'using retarded intel CPU's' in testing makes that simply not true.
yep, read the whole thing in its entirety. And if you read the excerpt you would see that I particularly objected to him saying 'massive' didn't I? I didn't come close to saying he was asserting a 'better buy'

It doesn't necessarily top Intel's Core i9-9900K when it comes to pure gaming performance, but it's close enough to not usually matter.

I think that part of the article, from the website that he buttressed his point with, negates his 'massive' assertion as does " close enough to not usually matter"....I could not be more clear.
Not to mention he frequently takes issue with the productivity numbers as well...and that's just silly.
BTW, The Intel?

 

[Squid Surprise]

Sorry, the repeated use of 'massive lead', and saying things like 'using retarded intel CPU's' in testing makes that simply not true.
yep, read the whole thing in its entirety. And if you read the excerpt you would see that I particularly objected to him saying 'massive' didn't I? I didn't come close to saying he was asserting a 'better buy'




I think that part of the article, from the website that he buttressed his point with, negates his 'massive' assertion as does " close enough to not usually matter"....I could not be more clear.
Not to mention he frequently takes issue with the productivity numbers as well...and that's just silly.
BTW, The Intel?

I'm not arguing for amstech by the way... just giving you his point of view which you can't seem to grasp... HE ONLY CARES ABOUT GAMING!

Thus, he will discount any argument that doesn't involve gaming. In PURE GAMING TERMS, there is NO argument - Intel is king.