AMD announces Threadripper 3990X: 64 cores / 128 threads for $3,990

[CharmsD]

AMD isn't dominating in terms of sales is the prebuilt system market. Once that happens the only option Intel will have will be to compete on the price/performance level. Intel's return of hyperthreading to their lower end products is evidence of this.

AMDs chiplet design gave it a chance to be competitive again by increasing manufacturing yields, but they've been improving their fabrication methods to the point the can create massive dies, like Intel.

It's good they've finally implemented something, if only AMD could stop whining how badly Intel has treated them all these decades. It was a cute little sister act but it's grown old - yanno, like a wart.. wait, that's from fans wanting CHEAP stuf.

 

[yRaz]

It's good they've finally implemented something, if only AMD could stop whining how badly Intel has treated them all these decades. It was a cute little sister act but it's grown old - yanno, like a wart.. wait, that's from fans wanting CHEAP stuf.

I'd say it's the fanbois, not AMD doing the whining. I've been going AMD since the K6-2 with the only exception being my 3770k. What happened with AMD at the end of their K10 series, I believe it was called(fx60/62), is the same thing going on with Intel right now. AMD got arrogant about being top dog, relaxed on R&D then Intel took the lead. Intel got arrogant and now AMD is one generation away from undecidedly taking over the performance crown.

Personally, I'm a Linux user so I'll go with whoever has the best Linux drivers (AMD, with some REALLY weird exceptions). My 2700x and 1070ti will probably last me a number of more years as my main rig.

 

[VitalyT]

At an MSRP of almost $4,000 the Threadripper 3990X is the most expensive non-enterprise processor AMD, or even Intel, has ever released and it’s not exactly great value

Not exactly a great value? Are you high? The CPU just sent home dual Xeon worth 20k. It is the top value when it comes to multi-core configuration.

 

[Gezzer]

Intel continues to dominate gaming while AMD continues to churn out CPU that seem better for workstations while being competent at gaming - but often behind Intel in every category besides price-for-performance.

Thing is, people dropping top dollar for RGB and water pipes aren't thinking logically so there is no shortage of sales of Intel CPU.

Well if you think IPC is the holy grail of gaming performance then maybe Intel has a slight margin. One that keeps shrinking BTW. But two things to consider in all this.

One, when it goes to gaming CPU performance has been becoming less and less relevant, even IPC. To really see a major difference between architectures you need to lower both resolution and graphic setting to a level that virtually no one plays at any more. This means that while you don't want to be running a Core Duo any more, your GPU will always be a bigger bottleneck then your CPU with modern AAA games.

And two, people posting comments like "Intel continues to dominate gaming while AMD continues to churn out CPU that seem better for workstations while being competent at gaming" perpetuates the myth that if you're a serious gamer you have to be running Intel. It's just not true any more, you don't even need to have a i7 or Ryzen 7 to have a great gaming experience any more.

IMHO unlike the previous AMD generations (bulldozer, etc.) Ryzen CPUs are more than capable of competing with comparable Intel parts. Intel is fast becoming the Harley Davidson of the CPU world, the best because people that buy Intel refuse to admit AMD is just as good now.

 

[Yynxs]

Wonder what the best motherboard is for this?

 

[Udelh579]

So, does any modern applications support that much core count?

 

[quadibloc]

Making better chips is hard enough that it takes even Intel a little time.
Changing price tags, though, painful as it may be to the pocketbook, isn't hard at all.
This is not the threat to Intel. The mobile chips - 8 cores in laptops, even ultrathin ones, and only from AMD - that's the threat - the existential threat.

 

[CharmsD]

I'd say it's the fanbois, not AMD doing the whining. I've been going AMD since the K6-2 with the only exception being my 3770k. What happened with AMD at the end of their K10 series, I believe it was called(fx60/62), is the same thing going on with Intel right now. AMD got arrogant about being top dog, relaxed on R&D then Intel took the lead. Intel got arrogant and now AMD is one generation away from undecidedly taking over the performance crown.

Intel is not going to fail. They are not a PC-CPU company, this is a point many pro-AMD, Intel detractors are apparently unaware of (my butchered sentence!) .
AMD doesn't produce products that compete with Intel in areas where Intel rakes in a lot of revenue, a person pitching fits over which has performed best in a specific area may be well informed on that aspect, but it's not enough to pronounce the impending death of Intel. Intel has out-performed AMD for years, the revenue YoY in CPU's tells part of A story. FWIW, I don't even care which company "wins" in the PC-CPU marketplace, 2019 was a banner year for PC's but I don't know if that can repeat this again this year - or ever.

Personally, I'm a Linux user so I'll go with whoever has the best Linux drivers (AMD, with some REALLY weird exceptions). My 2700x and 1070ti will probably last me a number of more years as my main rig.

I'm OS and CPU/hardware agnostic, I have a lot of computers, if they're working at a decent performance level it's good.

 

[CharmsD]

Wonder what the best motherboard is for this?

TRX40. Are you going to buy one?

 

[yRaz]

Ahem...
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Aside from mobile and solid state storage markets, profits aren't up anymore than the typical US rate of inflation. Do we have numbers for units shipped or just inflation numbers

Only one of those 5 sets of numbers are relevant. The interesting thing about the internet of things I find interesting is that AMD doesn't have an IOT market product.

The rate of inflation is 7%yoy. The two markets, mobile and solid state storage, are groups where AMD is a non-competitor. So data center groups and programmable solution groups are actually DOWN relative to the yearly rate of inflation.

Those year over year revenue numbers without unit solids numbers or profits, especially considering the rate of inflation, mean nothing.

Revenue=/=profit

 

[Puiu]

I'm sure AMD will have lines of people lined up to drop $1000 - $4000 on a CPU.

It doesn't need to have lines at those price points, it just needs to be a niche product for pros and hobbyists and generally word of mouth will help sell the cheaper CPUs too. This has always been case with Intel and Nvidia too.

Being king of the hill has its perks, lets just hope that Intel can respond to what AMD is doing soon-ish because we need healthy competition.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Being king of the hill has its perks, lets just hope that Intel can respond to what AMD is doing soon-ish because we need healthy competition.

I may not be an AMD fan. But lets not piss on their parade so soon.

 

[joanindo]

Intel has too much money and Market share for these Premature R.I.P

It will take more than a few successful quarters from AMD to get anything close to that.

Lets keep it real people.

The competition is only now getting started after a 10 year struggle from AMD.

The Core Wars continues...

Many people thought Nokia & RIM gonna survived in a new smartphone wave but look at what happened to them. The moral of the story is: No tech companies too big to go bankrupt

 

[Irata]

Being king of the hill has its perks, lets just hope that Intel can respond to what AMD is doing soon-ish because we need healthy competition.

I'd say ideally they will be able to respond only after they are forced to compete on merit rather than financial horsepower.

I would not call what we have healthy competition yet - just look at OEM offerings.

So, once the OEM drive their Chevy to the (incentive) levee, but the levee is dry, then we will finally start to have competition (imho).

 

[CharmsD]

INTEL Products
Central processing units
Integrated_graphics
Systems-on-chip (SoCs)
Motherboards
Chipsets
Network interface controllers
Modems
Mobile phones
Solid state drives
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
Flash memory
Vehicle automation sensors

Revenue
US $70.8 billion (2018)
Operating income US $23.3 billion (2018)
Net income US $21.0 billion (2018)
Total assets US $127.9 billion (2018)
Total equity US $74.5 billion (2018)
Number of employees 110,200 (2019)

Subsidiaries
Mobileye
McAfee
Here (15%)

Those year over year revenue numbers without unit solids numbers or profits, specially considering the rate of inflation, mean nothing.

I think you were replying to the post above, just wanted to say a detailed spreadsheet analysis with production/shipping quantities & unit costs, at a particular time goes beyond the needs of an extempore discussion on a comment board. The wiki summary should be quite enough to illustrate the immensity of Intel business and that which AMD has no part in. AMD is a large company but it is not an Intel.

"Intel is only better in high FPS gaming. The only market AMD isn't dominating in terms of sales is the prebuilt system market. Once that happens the only option Intel will have will be to compete on the price/performance level." - quoted​

 

[newstark2042]

Bye Intel, we won't miss you

 

[ypsylon]

Gulp...

Both the price and performance.

I bet that requirement for toilet paper at Intel HQ doubled overnight. Granted, Intel has vast product portfolio, but man they getting slaughtered in the CPU segment big time... with nothing to answer for at least next two years.

If Intel really cared about consumer space they would ditch X299, slash the price on W-3175 to like literally 1000 USD. But they don't so its just academic.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Gulp...

Both the price and performance.

I bet that requirement for toilet paper at Intel HQ doubled overnight. Granted, Intel has vast product portfolio, but man they getting slaughtered in the CPU segment big time... with nothing to answer for at least next two years.

If Intel really cared about consumer space they would ditch X299, slash the price on W-3175 to like literally 1000 USD. But they don't so its just academic.

Why would they do that? They still sell plenty and rake in profits from fools thinking that "Intel must be the best"... Intel execs are probably laughing this off - even if long term they might be in some trouble.

Once they finally DO go 7nm, they better be matching (or surpassing) AMD - if not, THEN they can actually start to worry.

 

[Lionvibez]

Many people thought Nokia & RIM gonna survived in a new smartphone wave but look at what happened to them. The moral of the story is: No tech companies too big to go bankrupt

Nobody was saying its not possible just highly unlikely.

 

[Yynxs]

TRX40. Are you going to buy one?

Thinking about it.

 

[dirtyferret]

Come on man you're smarter than that. I read your comments on here most of the time. INTEL beats AMD at 720p, who games at 720 with a high end GPU? Face it buddy, INTEL's time has passed. Karma.

Based on your comment, I don't believe you comprehend the point of testing games at 720p.

 

[dirtyferret]

So, does any modern applications support that much core count?

Microsoft Notepad

 

[yRaz]

INTEL Products
Central processing units
Integrated_graphics
Systems-on-chip (SoCs)
Motherboards
Chipsets
Network interface controllers
Modems
Mobile phones
Solid state drives
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
Flash memory
Vehicle automation sensors

Revenue
US $70.8 billion (2018)
Operating income US $23.3 billion (2018)
Net income US $21.0 billion (2018)
Total assets US $127.9 billion (2018)
Total equity US $74.5 billion (2018)
Number of employees 110,200 (2019)

Subsidiaries
Mobileye
McAfee
Here (15%)




I think you were replying to the post above, just wanted to say a detailed spreadsheet analysis with production/shipping quantities & unit costs, at a particular time goes beyond the needs of an extempore discussion on a comment board. The wiki summary should be quite enough to illustrate the immensity of Intel business and that which AMD has no part in. AMD is a large company but it is not an Intel.

"Intel is only better in high FPS gaming. The only market AMD isn't dominating in terms of sales is the prebuilt system market. Once that happens the only option Intel will have will be to compete on the price/performance level." - quoted​

I was.refering to increases in sales margins, what the illustration was talking about, not total sales. It's increase in year over year revenue actually reflect declining year over year unit sales in competing areas with Intel. But I will agree that going this deep into finance and statistics is beyond a forums discussion.

And to be clear, you replied to an earlier post of mine saying "Intel will not fail". I never said they would, only that they are rapidly losing market share

 

[dirtyferret]

I was.refering to increases in sales margins, what the illustration was talking about, not total sales. It's increase in year over year revenue actually reflect declining year over year unit sales in competing areas with Intel. But I will agree that going this deep into finance and statistics is beyond a forums discussion.

And to be clear, you replied to an earlier post of mine saying "Intel will not fail". I never said they would, only that they are rapidly losing market share

AMD grew its desktop shares by just under 10% to around 32-33% which is great unfortunately Intel still dominated laptop sales which outsell dekstops. Intel's bread and butter is their data center group which accounts for over 40% of the company value and that helped Intel increase net revenue by 6% this year even with the launch of the new Ryzens.

Fact is Intel can scuttle their desktop CPUs if they really wanted to. Data center and mobile are their primary revenue sources.

 

[Boshum]

Intel continues to dominate gaming while AMD continues to churn out CPU that seem better for workstations while being competent at gaming - but often behind Intel in every category besides price-for-performance.

Thing is, people dropping top dollar for RGB and water pipes aren't thinking logically so there is no shortage of sales of Intel CPU.

AMD is already winning with DIY gamers. It's the pre-built market that Intel owns. The top 13 chips on Amazon are all Ryzens. AMD chips are outselling Intels maybe 4 or 5 to 1 in Germany.