It is true that dark silicon is a challenge. Nodes are deceasing faster than power consumption, so there is a lot of heat on a die. On 7 mn, around half of die is unpowered, assuming 125W limit. 3D stacking brings even more heat.
Zen 4 laptop APUs will be a good comparison for this year's Apple due to node difference. Even Apple silicon will vary on different N5 nodes.
A curious thing about USB4 on Rembrandt is use of PCIe 4.0 to wire port on a certified laptop that chooses to add PCIe data to USB4 port, as shown of their presentaiton slide. TB4 uses PCIe 3.0 x4, whereas AMD will use here 4.0 x2 lanes, I suppose, to bring 32 Gbps of speed.
Yes, Zen4 will be a better comparison in terms of perf/W
Absolutely, especially RDNA2 graphics. Next year, on Zen 4, integrated graphics will deliver full 1080p for the first time ever and dGPUs will be needed only for 1440p/4K or other graphical workloads.
Both Intel and AMD have plans to adopt ARM solutions in their designs. It will be fun in 2-3 years. ARM is officially in Intel's IDM 2.0 strategy.
The world is going towards to translate any code to the architecture of the chip and then run, like on Apple M1 from x86. The first time it may be slower but afterwards it will run at a very good speed. So, not only Microsoft is writing apps generically and then compile them on x86 / ARM but many others (even free apps sometimes offer x86 / ARM).
Apple have achieved such good x86 emulation (if you can really call it that) by essentially having some x86 components on the SoC. It remains to be seen if or even when they decide to axe those and use the die space for something else.
x86 components are not allowed, they are exclusive from Intel and AMD. They may add general acceleration for translation tasks though, but no x86...
2013 called and wants its predictions back.
Funny, my 4800h doesnt throttle itself on battery. Must be one of those ARM based ryzens!
Lmao, your 4800H definitely does “throttle“ itself on battery. All X86 laptop chips do As they are power restricted on battery. In fact your 4800H is already limited by the cooling and power setup of your laptop even when it’s plugged in. Otherwise it would match a 3800 clocks and performance. I’m quite shocked that you seem to be completely unaware of how laptops work.
No it's not. Show me 5nm x86 CPU that's designed fort 3.2 GHz and has integrated DRAM on package? Oh there isn't one?
Please... watch Tim's review of new Apple's laptop and you will find your answers. It's much, much more complex that this simplistic, meaningless statement.
You are deeply misinformed. MS and Google are currently scrambling to develop their own ARM architectures right now. So your claim that ARM isn’t making headway is pure bullshit. You also laughably claim that ARM will never be as efficient as X86. This is actually backwards, X86 will never be as efficient as ARM. Hence why Google and MS are moving to ARM. ARM was designed to be power efficient from day one. When X86 was designed they never imagined it would be powered by a battery (it’s that old).
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Yes, this is correct and ARM will have its important niches in many sectors, form mobile, tablets, laptops, other SoCs, etc.
You see, they will be using default ARM cores there. There's no need for any CPU development, just use existing architecture.Microsoft and AMD are reportedly developing an Arm processor for laptops
A new rumour from South Korea suggests that Microsoft and AMD are developing an Arm processor for laptops. It will use Cortex-X1 CPU cores, an AMD mRDNA2 GPU with 8CUs, and an Exynos 5G modem. The mystery SoC will be fabbed on TSMC's 5nm node.
You are deeply misinformed. MS and Google are currently scrambling to develop their own ARM architectures right now. So your claim that ARM isn’t making headway is pure bullshit. You also laughably claim that ARM will never be as efficient as X86. This is actually backwards, X86 will never be as efficient as ARM. Hence why Google and MS are moving to ARM. ARM was designed to be power efficient from day one. When X86 was designed they never imagined it would be powered by a battery (it’s that old).
Also the 6000 series is closer to a refresh than an overhaul. The resulting performance differences of this product amounts to a “slight” change. This is nothing compared to Zen 3 vs Zen 2 for example.
Microsoft and AMD are reportedly developing an Arm processor for laptops
A new rumour from South Korea suggests that Microsoft and AMD are developing an Arm processor for laptops. It will use Cortex-X1 CPU cores, an AMD mRDNA2 GPU with 8CUs, and an Exynos 5G modem. The mystery SoC will be fabbed on TSMC's 5nm node.
Indeed, but there is more to it.
Oh yes, I know. You and I are on the same page here. That's what I've been trying to point out to the other poster.
