AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT models from Asrock, MSI, and XFX completely leaked

mongeese

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AMD’s RX 5600 XT GPU has been detailed so thoroughly, it’s more appropriate to call it a flood than a leak. Asrock accidentally published a product page for the RX 5600 XT Challenger D 6GB OC, and XFX, not wanting to miss out, also accidentally published a product page for their RX 5600 XT Thicc II Pro Staging (a terrible name if ever there was one).

Videocardz has spilled the beans on Asrock's RX 5600 XT Phantom Gaming D3 and MSI’s two cheaper variants, the RX 5600 XT Mech OC and RX 5600 XT Mech. As MSI’s non-OC Mech models always reflect AMD’s stock clocks, we’ve used its specs as a substitute in the table below.

Model Cores Base Clock Game Clock Boost Clock Memory Bandwidth MSRP
RX 5700 XT 2560 1605 MHz 1755 MHz 1905 MHz 8GB 448 GB/s $399
RX 5700 2304 1465 MHz 1625 MHz 1725 MHz 8GB 448 GB/s $349
RX 5600 XT 2304 1130 MHz 1375 MHz 1560 MHz 6GB 288 GB/s ~$299
RX 5500 XT 1408 1607 MHz 1717 MHz 1845 MHz 8GB or 4GB 224 GB/s $169

Pricing information hasn’t made its way onto any accidentally published product pages, unfortunately. However, sources indicate that AMD is targeting the $299 price point, while board partners are pushing for $279. With 5700 models easily found at $320, lower is better.

RX 5600 XT Model Base Clock Game Clock Boost Clock
Asrock Phantom 1355 MHz 1560 MHz 1620 MHz
Asrock Challenger 1235 MHz 1460 MHz 1620 MHz
XFX Thicc ? 1460 MHz 1620 MHz
MSI Mech OC 1185 MHz 1420 MHz 1600 MHz
MSI Mech 1130 MHz 1375 MHz 1560 MHz

Architectural differences between the 5600 XT and 5700 appear to be borderline negligible.

Based on the same die and having the same core count, the main physical differences are the shrinking of the memory to 6GB and the memory bus to 192-bit, which has reduced memory bandwidth to 288 GB/s. That means that you should be able to overclock the card to RX 5700 speeds and see similar performance if you’re not too aggressive with resolution or texture quality.

XFX lists the 5600 XT’s release date as January 2020. It’s likely to be unveiled during AMD’s CES 2020 presentation on Monday.

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neeyik

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So there's a $50 gap between the 5700 XT, 5700, and 5600 XT; but then it's a $130 gap between the 5600 XT and 5500 XT. AMD could do with something in between those products to lessen the jump in price, e.g. around $200.

But what would fit? They could roll out the Navi 10 dies with the most defects (e.g. 2000-ish shader units, 128-ish TMUs, 64 ROPs, 1300MHz boost clock) or their best Navi 14 dies (I.e. 1536 shader units, 96 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 1500MHz boost clock).

Either would seem alright until you look at the performance gap between the 5700 and 5500 XT, which the 5600 XT is obviously designed to fill:

5700 XT/5700 review | 5500 XT review

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (1440p) - 1% low | average
5700 XT = 64 | 78 fps
5700 = 59 | 70 fps
5500 XT = 43 | 51 fps

The 5600 XT is the same chip as the 5700, but with lower clocks all round, and three 64 bit memory controllers compared to the 5700's four. So if it's around, say, 20% slower than the 5700, then it would nestle neatly in between the 5700 and 5500XT performance wise. But that would leave little room for a $200 Navi product (e.g. something like a non-XT 5600) to stand out as being a worthwhile purchase.

I can't help but feel that while AMD have got a really solid GPU design on their hands, but they've made a bit of mess out the pricing for them all.
 

Adi6293

TS Guru
So there's a $50 gap between the 5700 XT, 5700, and 5600 XT; but then it's a $130 gap between the 5600 XT and 5500 XT. AMD could do with something in between those products to lessen the jump in price, e.g. around $200.

But what would fit? They could roll out the Navi 10 dies with the most defects (e.g. 2000-ish shader units, 128-ish TMUs, 64 ROPs, 1300MHz boost clock) or their best Navi 14 dies (I.e. 1536 shader units, 96 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 1500MHz boost clock).

Either would seem alright until you look at the performance gap between the 5700 and 5500 XT, which the 5600 XT is obviously designed to fill:

5700 XT/5700 review | 5500 XT review

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (1440p) - 1% low | average
5700 XT = 64 | 78 fps
5700 = 59 | 70 fps
5500 XT = 43 | 51 fps

The 5600 XT is the same chip as the 5700, but with lower clocks all round, and three 64 bit memory controllers compared to the 5700's four. So if it's around, say, 20% slower than the 5700, then it would nestle neatly in between the 5700 and 5500XT performance wise. But that would leave little room for a $200 Navi product (e.g. something like a non-XT 5600) to stand out as being a worthwhile purchase.

I can't help but feel that while AMD have got a really solid GPU design on their hands, but they've made a bit of mess out the pricing for them all.
After very good 5700 and 5700X they messed up big time with the lower tier cards, how can they bring out a $300 GPU with less memory than a $200 GPU?! 5600/XT should be 1920 Core 256 bit GPU with higher clocks and 8GB memory priced at $249 - $279 max and that is for AIB models...….
 

Evernessince

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I've got a feeling the 5600 XT will see nice gains with memory overclocking. The 5700 / XT was already a bit bandwidth starved.
 
So there's a $50 gap between the 5700 XT, 5700, and 5600 XT; but then it's a $130 gap between the 5600 XT and 5500 XT. AMD could do with something in between those products to lessen the jump in price, e.g. around $200.

But what would fit? They could roll out the Navi 10 dies with the most defects (e.g. 2000-ish shader units, 128-ish TMUs, 64 ROPs, 1300MHz boost clock) or their best Navi 14 dies (I.e. 1536 shader units, 96 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 1500MHz boost clock).

Either would seem alright until you look at the performance gap between the 5700 and 5500 XT, which the 5600 XT is obviously designed to fill:

5700 XT/5700 review | 5500 XT review

Shadow of the Tomb Raider (1440p) - 1% low | average
5700 XT = 64 | 78 fps
5700 = 59 | 70 fps
5500 XT = 43 | 51 fps

The 5600 XT is the same chip as the 5700, but with lower clocks all round, and three 64 bit memory controllers compared to the 5700's four. So if it's around, say, 20% slower than the 5700, then it would nestle neatly in between the 5700 and 5500XT performance wise. But that would leave little room for a $200 Navi product (e.g. something like a non-XT 5600) to stand out as being a worthwhile purchase.

I can't help but feel that while AMD have got a really solid GPU design on their hands, but they've made a bit of mess out the pricing for them all.
I think the pricing issues relate to 7nm being relatively more expensive to produce as it's "new." I'm sure there's an accountant somewhere telling the product guys that the prices have to be where they are or else AMD loses money on them.

Again, I feel like RDNA should have been rolled out on 12nm first, then RDNA2 could have made the jump to 7nm.
 

Danny101

TS Evangelist
AMD seems to be struggling with how to formulate their economy designs. Let's see, you have core count, core clock speed, memory type and speed, and then memory amount. I know they have to work within the weaknesses of the dies, so they must be showing up in odd ways.
 
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yRaz

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AMD seems to be struggling with how to formulate their economy designs. Let's see, you have core count, core clock speed, memory type and speed, and then memory amount. I know they have to work within the weaknesses of the dies, so they must be showing up in odd ways.
The 5600xt probably has flaws in it(specifically in the memory controller) and rather than throw out the die, they find a way to sell it so it's not a complete loss. It could also just not be capable of clocking as high as the 5700 so they lower the clock speed and slap a different name on it.
 
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grumblguts

TS Maniac
I wont ever buy another gpu that exhausts its hot air into the case its a stupid design.
Its like having an air conditioning unit of the wall and free standing in the middle of the room as it extracts hot air back into the very place its trying to cool.
Any review that tests these on a test bench need to stop because it isn't representative to real world performance from temperatures to audio loudness.
They may look nice but require extensive case cooling that wouldn't be required with a single fan blower design.
 

nnguy2

TS Booster
I wont ever buy another gpu that exhausts its hot air into the case its a stupid design.
Its like having an air conditioning unit of the wall and free standing in the middle of the room as it extracts hot air back into the very place its trying to cool.
Any review that tests these on a test bench need to stop because it isn't representative to real world performance from temperatures to audio loudness.
They may look nice but require extensive case cooling that wouldn't be required with a single fan blower design.
OK boomer.

Except axial exhaust designs are leagues better than blower exhaust for cooling. The hot air that gets blown back in the case has minimal effects on other components provide you have proper air flow. This has been tested and proven already.
 

m3tavision

TS Evangelist
I think the pricing issues relate to 7nm being relatively more expensive to produce as it's "new." I'm sure there's an accountant somewhere telling the product guys that the prices have to be where they are or else AMD loses money on them.

Again, I feel like RDNA should have been rolled out on 12nm first, then RDNA2 could have made the jump to 7nm.
No, AMD has an accountant telling them the price they need to sustain, to maximize & leverage their production volume.

Believe it or not, AMD consumes a lot of 7nm wafers. And navi10 and rDNA was the last to be invested in and last to be brought into 7mn wonderland. Dr Su already paid the high price of moving Her company to TSMC and with that relationship, have become a node-partner with them.

Apple and others are on low power 7nm nodes. AMD is leading the forefront with TSMC in Enterprise. And I expect another refresh inc for Vega2 as well, with leading "out-front" (in node technology) like EPYC does for Zen. And the cadence of rDNA chips that AMD is going to be able to pump out over the next 24 months is going to be brutal.

Navi10 is netting AMD high margins. Nvidia knows this and why there isn't a price war & instead an introduction of sub-optimal GPU's.. being sold off as SUPER. Because essentially, those chips are a waste, so why not toss at gamers and at least net something from wasted silicon. It also pumps the bottom line.


AMD is going the Ryzen route with RTG. And will release GPUs with a tick tock cadence. (ie: fast pace).

I believe that after CES, all Gaming GPU will be 7nm Navi, & the entire Navi product stack/sku will get a price re-alignment. Makes sense, and being mentioned elsewhere. Newegg has 5700xt's @ $369, & 5700 @ $319 last night. Hints at what is to come.


$599 ~ $999
I suspect that Navi21 will have many lasered SKUs. So expect the Vega20 space to be filled by one of those, very cheaply. After that happens, late summer Navi10 can take it rightful place as an EOL die, at bottom frenzy prices.... while RTG transitions over the lower tier smaller GPU dies to rDNA2, and moving them to 5nm. With larger gaming GPUs moving over to 5nm in late 2021.



I think the 5700XT will be at $349 by spring, or after Navi21 drops.

5600xt is going to be the sweet-spot on the market. It kills 1080p games and allows many to flirt casually with 1440p displays. AMD might just pump up the volume and offer them for $259.. or whatever will stir up a fan-fueled frenzy...

AMD can use the mindspace..
 

Shadowboxer

TS Maniac
This needs to perform considerably better than an equivalently priced Nvidia card to be worth it as AMD GPUs are substantially worse in quality and driver support than Nvidia GPUs.
 

loki1944

TS Maniac
Wish the journalists would knock it off with the fake "leaked" verbage. This is deliberate advertising, not leaking in the slightest.