Ebay. In North America..Sorry what prices are you looking at for second hand GTX 1080's? Just so I know what I'm dealing with here.
So are you seeing this as well?Ebay. In North America..
If you are going to list an example as a counter argument, make sure you understand how to actually and effectively use the search functions of ebay.So are you seeing this as well?
GTX 1080: https://www.ebay.com/sch/I.html?_from=R40&_nkw=GTX+1080&_sacat=0&rt=nc&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1
RX 6600: https://www.ebay.com/sch/I.html?_fr...d=1&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=3000
You're right I don't get it. You can list by lowest price for the RX 6600 as well.If you are going to list an example as a counter argument, make sure you understand how to actually and effectively use the search functions of ebay.
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Your original search didn't refine the results enough to clearly understand the point I was making earlier. As someone who frequently buys and sells used equipment, I understand market conditions. Take a closer look.
Seemingly so. And that's on you. What you fail to understand is that many people just don't have the money to spend $250 to $300(USD) on a GPU. For some $200 is even too much. So your notion of the RX6600 is out the question. Your above comparison to such is so wildly out of context as to be simply silly. The GTX 1080 is in a sweetspot place of price/performance. It offers excellent value to those on a budget, which is A LOT of people.You're right I don't get it.
You made that point very clear. That's alright, you're in a difference place in life than most of your readers/viewers. Your only real problem here is that you've lost sight and context of that reality. That is why people like me comment. We offer pieces of the puzzle you don't have so to widen the view field of the big picture.I'm not someone who frequently buys and sells used equipment though.
Just to be clear, on average the RX 6600 sells second hand for 13% more than the GTX 1080 but offers around 20% more performance. It's also significantly newer/less used, supports newer technologies such as ray tracing and is better optimized for FSR 2.0, it also supports SAM/ReBAR and consumes less power. Driver support is significantly better and that trend will continue over the next 5 years, at which point the 1080 will be well and truly EOL.Seemingly so. And that's on you. What you fail to understand is that many people just don't have the money to spend $250 to $300(USD) on a GPU. For some $200 is even too much. So your notion of the RX6600 is out the question. Your above comparison to such is so wildly out of context as to be simply silly. The GTX 1080 is in a sweetspot place of price/performance. It offers excellent value to those on a budget, which is A LOT of people.
You made that point very clear. That's alright, you're in a difference place in life than most of your readers/viewers. Your only real problem here is that you've lost sight and context of that reality. That is why people like me comment. We offer pieces of the puzzle you don't have so to widen the view field of the big picture.
Yup, you continue to fail at context. For example, just because an RX6600 can technically do raytracing, doesn't mean it does it well or at playable framerates. Your argument falls flat on it's face. The claims on performance depend highly on specific settings.Just to be clear, on average the RX 6600 sells second hand for 13% more than the GTX 1080 but offers around 20% more performance. It's also significantly newer/less used, supports newer technologies such as ray tracing and is better optimized for FSR 2.0, it also supports SAM/ReBAR and consumes less power. Driver support is significantly better and that trend will continue over the next 5 years, at which point the 1080 will be well and truly EOL.
I gave you plenty of rope on this one, you did about as well as you could have taking such a poor position, strange hill to die on.
RT support was one of several key points that make the GTX 1080 a pointless second hand purchase. I'll simplify the argument for you, you know so you can't get the 'context' wrong.Yup, you continue to fail at context. For example, just because an RX6600 can technically do raytracing, doesn't mean it does it well or at playable framerates. Your argument falls flat on it's face. The claims on performance depend highly on specific settings.
Since you seem to be deliberately ignoring facts and flexing your bias, we're done here. Top notch professionalism Steve.
How have you come to that conclusion? Vega 64 came in with an MSRP of $500 US and it's the reason why Nvidia dropped the GTX 1080 MSRP from $600 US to $500 US. The GTX 1080 Ti meanwhile was $700 US and was never discounted, at least officially.Proper comparison is with a 1080Ti; which still smokes the Vega 64. A Vega 56 is more appropriate vs a GTX 1080.
Yet another instance of you missing something. MSRP's don't matter. Performance matters. Loki1944 made a good point. When compared objectively(something you need to improve on), the Vega64 actually compares better to the 1080ti than the 1080.How have you come to that conclusion? Vega 64 came in with an MSRP of $500 US and it's the reason why Nvidia dropped the GTX 1080 MSRP from $600 US to $500 US. The GTX 1080 Ti meanwhile was $700 US and was never discounted, at least officially.
Seriously stop: https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2523/bench/1440p.pngYet another instance of you missing something. MSRP's don't matter. Performance matters. Loki1944 made a good point. When compared objectively(something you need to improve on), the Vega64 actually compares better to the 1080ti than the 1080.
Vega prices was not close to MSRP when I bought my Vega 56 and 64 cards; they were closer to 1080 and 1080ti, respectively; out of the gate: https://www.techpowerup.com/236323/amd-issues-official-statement-on-rx-vega-64-pricing-woesHow have you come to that conclusion? Vega 64 came in with an MSRP of $500 US and it's the reason why Nvidia dropped the GTX 1080 MSRP from $600 US to $500 US. The GTX 1080 Ti meanwhile was $700 US and was never discounted, at least officially.
That article was published just 7 days after Vega 64 was released and 4 days before Vega 56 was released. People always get carried away with pricing and availability just weeks after a release. It has always been the case that when new graphics cards are released, they're difficult to purchased shortly after release and as a result pricing is always well above MSRP.Vega prices was not close to MSRP when I bought my Vega 56 and 64 cards; they were closer to 1080 and 1080ti, respectively; out of the gate: https://www.techpowerup.com/236323/amd-issues-official-statement-on-rx-vega-64-pricing-woes
I ended up selling both because the performance was so mediocre compared to my 1070, 1070Ti, 1080, 1080Ti cards; gave them a fair shake with about 25 game benchmarks, some lasting 5 minutes in length and just was super disappointed with the performance; tack on the more recent AMD GUI vs Nvidia.
You do great articles Mr. Walton, I mean no disrespect ; I just personally don't see the Vega 64 as a good card and with it being the top AMD GPU at the time; comparing it to the top Nvidia GPU makes plenty of sense to me; as well as the way pricibg was out the gate for me.
Well for me getting two new STRIX 1080Tis at release for $700 and paying about the same at release for STRIX Vega 64 was the reality; and AMD's top card was in fact the Vega 64; facing Nvidia's top card at similar price point was only natural.That article was published just 7 days after Vega 64 was released and 4 days before Vega 56 was released. People always get carried away with pricing and availability just weeks after a release. It has always been the case that when new graphics cards are released, they're difficult to purchased shortly after release and as a result pricing is always well above MSRP.
In the case of Vega pricing and availability settled down just months after release, which isn't that unusual. In fact it wasn't that long before pricing dropped below MSRP due to poor sales.