Today we're completing our testing of AMD's Ryzen Mobile 4000 APUs with a look at the Ryzen 7 4700U and Ryzen 5 4500U, two mainstream chips in the series that have become available in a wider range of laptops in the past few weeks.
Today we're completing our testing of AMD's Ryzen Mobile 4000 APUs with a look at the Ryzen 7 4700U and Ryzen 5 4500U, two mainstream chips in the series that have become available in a wider range of laptops in the past few weeks.
Nope... and that, unfortunately, is why Intel is still the king...I haven't seen many 4000-series desktops yet; has anyone else?
That might have been the case at launch, but this many months after launch and with the CPUs being so good, something stinks.You don't see better than a RTX 2060 in mobile with a Ryzen CPU because manufacturer's didn't want to get burned with inventory that didn't sell. That is slowly changing.
That might have been the case at launch, but this many months after launch and with the CPUs being so good, something stinks.
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It's a limitation that seems to be hard imposed on all major OEMs.
It almost seems like someone made an effort to ensure that there is no AMD + > 2060 combination on the market.
Don't want to argue with your assesment of customers but at least for the gaming models there should be sufficient customers. I honestly don't see why OEM should not be able to sell laptops with a 2060S or 2070S.Perhaps it's just that laptop buyers are utterly stupid? We can roughly divide AMD CPU's in three groups: laptop, server and desktop.
Now, desktop buyers are most intelligent of those three. If AMD offers superior product, then desktop buyers gladly buy AMD. Also, people will demand AMD to be available. Server buyers are not so intelligent but still, if AMD really has superior product, AMD will secure big deals. Then we have *****ic laptop buyers. They just buy Intel because they "think" AMD is crap. And since laptop buyers are *****s and buy Intel anyway, OEM's don't bother to release AMD laptops.
AMD knows this very well. AMD first release server/desktop parts and much much much later release laptop parts. No wonder it took almost a year for AMD to release Zen2 laptop parts.
Don't want to argue with your assesment of customers but at least for the gaming models there should be sufficient customers. I honestly don't see why OEM should not be able to sell laptops with a 2060S or 2070S.
By many accounts, there seem to be availability issues for Renoir based systems. If that is due to low supply, high demand or a combination of the two is hard to tell. Could also be due to OEM not ordering enough CPU.
What I find odd is that there is not a single model with Renoir plus > 2060 (not even the super) from any OEM. Not one. If everyone does the same thing in a free market is when alarm bells go off.
I believe its simply based on demand considerations by OEMs. High-end graphics laptops are a small sliver of market share, AMD laptops are (prior to very recently) a small share also. Put the two together, and OEMs weren't seeing enough volume to justify the engineering and BOM overhead.Neither AMD or laptop OEM's believe buyers are smart enough to buy AMD laptops with high end graphics..
I believe its simply based on demand considerations by OEMs. High-end graphics laptops are a small sliver of market share, AMD laptops are (prior to very recently) a small share also. Put the two together, and OEMs weren't seeing enough volume to justify the engineering and BOM overhead.
If Renoir laptops continue to sell as well as they seem to be doing, I think you'll see that change though, and quickly.
Yes, but all including smaller and usually more adventurous ones like Schenker ?Exactly. Like AMD, OEM's don't believe there is demand and so neither wants to take risk. Let someone else take it. What essentially causes this lack of demand are stupid buyers.
Pretty much different when comparing Ryzen 1xxx series on desktop market. AMD believed there is demand, motherboard makers and OEM's also. So there were options too. Not so stupid buyers there.
Hopefully situation gets better soon.
Yes, but all including smaller and usually more adventurous ones like Schenker ?
It‘s a calculated risk but if one were to give it a shot, perhaps talking to AMD in parallel to ensure they have a good CPU supply, they could potentially get tons of sales, being the only offer on the market.
It‘s not like they can‘t use the same chassis with other GPU - it would just be one option.
Because they are Zen 2 mobile, desktop Zen 2 is 3000 series. Unless you meant the mini PC.I haven't seen many 4000-series desktops yet; has anyone else?
He meant laptop, not desktop...Because they are Zen 2 mobile, desktop Zen 2 is 3000 series. Unless you meant the mini PC.
He did actually mean desktop - AMD have Ryzen 4000 models for desktops, but only for OEM partners:He meant laptop, not desktop...
You're right, I did mean desktop; even from OEMs, I'm seeing 4000-series laptops only.He did actually mean desktop - AMD have Ryzen 4000 models for desktops, but only for OEM partners: