AMD Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Intel Core i7-11700K: 32 Game CPU Battle

[Adi6293]

You telling me Ryzen never had USB connectivity issues? I can go buy a 4400MHz kit and rely on a 5800x to use it?

It is cheaper. The motherboards don't require fans to cool them. You can put in 4400MHz kits. This isn't like a few years ago when AMD wasn't even considerable as the cheaper alternative. AMD took the slightest little lead and decided to throw a $450 8 core at you and you ate it up.

You really starting to piss me off man, NOT ALL INTEL CPU'S WILL HANDLE 4400Mhz ram and on top of it 11gen is best run with 3600Mhz so its 1:1 ratio just like AMD but Ryzen 5000 can go to 3800Mhz - 4000Mhz if you really lucky after that the infinity fabric goes into 1 : 2 ratio so its not worth it . As to the USB, I personally didn't have issues on my X470 motherboard but my wife did on her X570 one with a Corsair Commander Pro, that is now fixed, the motherboard don't actually need that fan unless you hook up a PCI-E 4.0 nvme drive to the chipset ( This is why B550 boards don't have the fan at all ) and AMD is already bringing out a new revision of the chipset that will work without it all together, as to the 8 Core CPU for $450 Intel is selling one for $600 and its not even in the lead, you can get a 12 CORE PROCESSOR FOR CHEAPER , TAKE OFF THOSE BLUE GLASSES, LOOK INTO A MIRROR AND ASK YOURSELF IF MAYBE ITS TIME TO GROW UP AND ACT LIKE AN ADULT?

 

[Skjorn]

Yeah, it had USB issues for a short while until updates were released. Most mobos have no USB bug now. You are telling me Intel never had issues? You are going to nitpick here where all issues are pretty much known for both platforms?

Here, nitpick this:

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As for the 8 core comment... you have the 11900k released by Intel, enough said.

Yeah and I wouldn't buy it. I'd take the 11700k all day over a 5800x for the price. 10700k even more so.

 

[Skjorn]

You really starting to piss me off man, NOT ALL INTEL CPU'S WILL HANDLE 4400Mhz ram and on top of it 11gen is best run with 3600Mhz so its 1:1 ratio just like AMD but Ryzen 5000 can go to 3800Mhz - 4000Mhz if you really lucky after that the infinity fabric goes into 1 : 2 ratio so its not worth it . As to the USB, I personally didn't have issues on my X470 motherboard but my wife did on her X570 one with a Corsair Commander Pro, that is now fixed, the motherboard don't actually need that fan unless you hook up a PCI-E 4.0 nvme drive to the chipset ( This is why B550 boards don't have the fan at all ) and AMD is already bringing out a new revision of the chipset that will work without it all together, as to the 8 Core CPU for $450 Intel is selling one for $600 and its not even in the lead, you can get a 12 CORE PROCESSOR FOR CHEAPER , TAKE OFF THOSE BLUE GLASSES, LOOK INTO A MIRROR AND ASK YOURSELF IF MAYBE ITS TIME TO GROW UP AND ACT LIKE AN ADULT?

And zero amd cpus are accepting 4400MHz. If you need to update the BIOS to fix a problem then it's a huge problem and in most systems it won't get updated. Haha you mad bro? I can see you sweating red.

 

[Adi6293]

And zero amd cpus are accepting 4400MHz. If you need to update the BIOS to fix a problem then it's a huge problem and in most systems it won't get updated. Haha you mad bro? I can see you sweating red.

Is it me or is he running 4400Mhz ram on a 5900X!!

 

[Puiu]

And zero amd cpus are accepting 4400MHz. If you need to update the BIOS to fix a problem then it's a huge problem and in most systems it won't get updated. Haha you mad bro? I can see you sweating red.

Neah, he's just correct. You need to find better arguments. If "bios update = bad" is the best one you have then you yourself have an issue. That's exactly what Intel needs every time they have an issue too and as far as I can tell they've had many more lately.

FYI, I like how fast people debunked the 4400MHz fake info you were spreading
Here's something more technical (he even tries to OC the 4400MHz kit). The funny thing is that he didn't manage to get the same kit to work on Intel at the rated speeds.

 

[amghwk]

What I have learnt from all the discussions is, you just can't argue with the sheer ignorance and stupidity of Intel fanboys. (You can say the same to Nvidia fanboys). Seeing them arguing is, yep, childish and they look like ...dunces... arguing against something already glaringly spread in front of their eyes, everytime they feel offended that their favourite tech gets a beating.

And.... how low do you want to go, by nitpicking every minute speck of what you dislike?

(And as I have mentioned before, I'm no fanboy of any one company. I'm still using a Intel 8700K.)

Some people will keep arguing something that is clearly proven otherwise because of unable to accept failure of their favourite things. This also reflects that they can't live with their own shortcomings too. And they will go any length to prove their false point.

A wise person would just accept what is obvious and move on. Not keep tugging to a dried branch over a cliff. It will break or get uprooted sooner or later.

For me, for any given round, if Intel or AMD gives a good product and at the best value, I would just get that, when I actually need to upgrade. Doesn't matter if it's Intel or AMD. I am a customer and would like to get the best value for my money. I'm happy with anything that is worth it's value.

 

[Pastuch]

You telling me Ryzen never had USB connectivity issues? I can go buy a 4400MHz kit and rely on a 5800x to use it?

It is cheaper. The motherboards don't require fans to cool them. You can put in 4400MHz kits. This isn't like a few years ago when AMD wasn't even considerable as the cheaper alternative. AMD took the slightest little lead and decided to throw a $450 8 core at you and you ate it up.

You're being deliberately obtuse. You can buy a 4400mhz kit and Ryzen will run it fine. I have a 4133 kit in my two year old x570 right now. It's Samsung bdie memory and runs Warzone faster at ultra low latency. So I run it at 3600 c14. This is also true on Intel boards. For some reason Warzone loves c14 and the difference is close to 25% over c19 4133 on my system. Most of my friends are no-life warzone players just like me with Intel and have reported similar FPS gains by reducing latency

 

[Hexogen]

Why are you not testing frametimes and latency with each CPU using same GPU, mobo, ram etc.? Raw FPS is 50% of the story.

 

[Angelscry]

Running highly overclockable Intel chips at stock speeds against AMD chips that are bad at it and doing gaming benchmarks is kinda ironic don't you think so Steve?

 

[Irata]

Running highly overclockable Intel chips at stock speeds against AMD chips that are bad at it and doing gaming benchmarks is kinda ironic don't you think so Steve?

Welcome to Techspot.

What you suggests is perfectly fine if the additional cost for high end cooling, mainboard and PSU are factored in.

Otherwise you could also argue that Techspot should test with cooling and boards that support only the stock TDP values and boost.

Kindly note that TS already runs the chips power unlocked. TPU tested the 11700K overclocked, as well. +22W system consumption in MT, + 52W for the stress test and +49 W at idle (!) vs power unlocked gave an astounding +2.9% at 1080p gaming (placing the 11700KF 0.4% ahead of the stock 5800X, +3% at 1440p (placing it 2.5% ahead of the 5700X.

If that‘s worth a 304W vs 175W MT power consumption with the associated component costs is up to the individual user. In any case it means more cost and effort for a slightly better 1440p and 4k gaming result (assuming you are CPU bound rather than GPU bound) - you can use a much cheaper board and cooling solution for the 5800X vs. the 11700KF if you go for the OC route with the latter.

Power unlocked testing seems like a much more reasonable approach.

 

[pickle]

I'm happy I went with the 5800x for my new build....it should be here in the next few days along with my RTX 3070Ti

 

[131dbl]

I'm happy I went with the 5800x for my new build....it should be here in the next few days along with my RTX 3070Ti

It's a good chip. And for all the noise that's on this thread, the latest BIOS which started being released back in March or Apr. took care of the issues that were mentioned here, so it's only noise now.

I could give you a couple pieces of advice though, and you'll be very happy about your system. Don't try to push the max for memory timings, which then also pushes the IO die, maintaining 1:1 ratio. If you can get something like 3600 CL14 with really good memory sticks that give tight timings (so, actually buying 3600 CL14 and not just clocking memory up to that speed), that's a good middle ground. If you try to push the fastest timings, you use more energy, and it can affect the performance of the cores. I can't say for a FACT it will in every system, but it does boost power consumption when you clock the memory/IO die faster. For the little bit of gain you can get from clocking faster than that, it's not worth it really. Ignore all the chest thumping on the thread and what you might see elsewhere.

AGESA 1.2.0.2 is what cleared up any remaining issues and allows for stability at faster memory/IO die speeds BTW.

The other thing is if you haven't watched enough reviews on OCing these parts, that's something that really isn't worth it either. Set the MB to allow the CPU to boost itself. There's very little to gain from OCing these parts, and because you're always clocking the cores at full speed, it's a lot of wasted energy when in almost all use cases, other than rendering or other tasks that take a long time and use all cores, you just don't use all the cores, and once again the boosting behavior of the CPU works great on its own. Also, if you OC you're dealing with cooling off the room the PC is in more so than not OCing.

If you stick with that then a nice air cooler is all you will ever need. The Scythe Fuma 2 will fit very easily in most cases and runs quiet while keeping the 5800X cool enough, and costs less than a U14S, which is the min. I'd put on the 5800X. You could get an AIO but the Scythe works great and is quiet. AIOs have pump noise that's louder than the Scythe fans, which run max at 1500 RPMs I believe. You don't need anything more elaborate than that for the AMD 8 core parts, and the Scythe is the easiest thing to install IMO. But if you're going to run the thing full blast then an AIO or a beefy air cooler is really the best way to go.

Have fun with it!