AMD Ryzen 7 5800X vs. Intel Core i7-11700K: 32 Game CPU Battle

QuantumPhysics

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My next build will be with DDR5 RAM and whatever generation of Intel Core is available at the time. Probably 13 or 14th.

Intel for gaming and content creation.

AMD for benchmarkers and apps I don't use.
 

Nanochip

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A large chunk of your audience probably have nvidia gpus, so how do these trends compare with a 3080 or a 3090?

Is Ryzen better with AMD GPUs? Or does Intel close the gap when nvidia is inside? Or does the 5800x win regardless of the GPU?

From the charts of the average performance, seems that Intel has largely closed the gap, and that the 11700k is a decent alternative. This is a different conclusion than Gamer’s Nexus who called the 11700k a waste of sand. How can it be a waste if it’s roughly tied with the innovative Zen3 chip in 75 percent of games tested, when the same wasn’t true for 10th gen?

Would also be good to see a comparison between the 11700k and the 10700k. Thanks for the hard work!!
 
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Geralt

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A large chunk of your audience probably have nvidia gpus, so how do these trends compare with a 3080 or a 3090?

Is Ryzen better with AMD GPUs? Or does Intel close the gap when nvidia is inside? Or does the 5800x win regardless of the GPU?

From the charts of the average performance, seems that Intel has largely closed the gap, and that the 11700k is a decent alternative. This is a different conclusion than Gamer’s Nexus who called the 11700k a waste of sand. How can it be a waste if it’s roughly tied with the innovative Zen3 chip in 75 percent of games tested, when the same wasn’t true for 10th gen?

Would also be good to see a comparison between the 11700k and the 10700k. Thanks for the hard work!!
Fastest GPU at 1080p is the most important thing to remove GPU bottleneck. Did you understand the article?
 

hahahanoobs

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5800X for gaming? Still no.
You can get a 10700 for $399 CAD and a Z590 for $220 in Canada for example. Or a B560 for $140ish. 5800X alone is $609.

More than 8 cores won't help you in games either, so there goes your upgrade path if it's a gaming machine. For gaming get a 5600X and leave the 5800X alone unless it's HEAVILY discounted and you just have to have 8 cores.
 
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Irata

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Intel for gaming and content creation.

AMD for benchmarkers and apps I don't use.
That‘s an interesting statement under an article with the sub heading ‚ Head to Head 32 Game CPU Battle‘ that shows the opposite.

From the charts of the average performance, seems that Intel has largely closed the gap, and that the 11700k is a decent alternative. This is a different conclusion than Gamer’s Nexus who called the 11700k a waste of sand. How can it be a waste if it’s roughly tied with the innovative Zen3 chip in 75 percent of games tested, when the same wasn’t true for 10th gen?
He said it was a waste of sand because in his opinion there‘s no real point to the 11700K vs a 10700K, an 11600K or a Ryzen 5800x considering that the latter is all around better for the same price and the former two are almost there for a good bit less.

Note: He did mention that he said the same regarding the 5800x - for gaming get a 5600X, if you need the cores get a 5900X instead.

Lastly, he said that his comments always depend on price and the market situation.

 

Puiu

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My next build will be with DDR5 RAM and whatever generation of Intel Core is available at the time. Probably 13 or 14th.

Intel for gaming and content creation.

AMD for benchmarkers and apps I don't use.
Based on what results are you making that decision? Content creation hasn't been an "intel" thing since the first gen Ryzen CPUs. As for gaming, I can't comment on performance of future CPUs in future games, but the current trend speaks for itself.

5800X for gaming? Still no.
You can get a 10700 for $399 CAD and a Z590 for $220 in Canada for example. Or a B560 for $140ish. 5800X alone is $609.

More than 8 cores won't help you in games either, so there goes your upgrade path if it's a gaming machine. For gaming get a 5600X and leave the 5800X alone unless it's HEAVILY discounted and you just have to have 8 cores.
If you have nothing else running in the background like in these benchmarks, then yes, more cores don't help. But let's be honest here, nobody closes applications anymore and I personally keep videos running in the background as I play.

If I can get more cores without sacrificing anything then I won't refuse them, it's all about balancing the budget. You could make a case for only 6 cores if you are playing at 4K.
 
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Irata

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5800X for gaming? Still no.
You can get a 10700 for $399 CAD and a Z590 for $220 in Canada for example. Or a B560 for $140ish. 5800X alone is $609.

More than 8 cores won't help you in games either, so there goes your upgrade path if it's a gaming machine. For gaming get a 5600X and leave the 5800X alone unless it's HEAVILY discounted and you just have to have 8 cores.
I‘d still prefer 8C vs 6C for multi tasking. Seems that scenario is not considered very often compared to pure gaming or content creation.

As for which to pick, that certainly depends on local / current prices and availability. EOL prices certainly can make a product more attractive, which is why I went for a 2700X (€150) vs a 3000 series. That is usually temporary.

In my market, it‘s:

Core i7-10700K - €309 plus MSI Z590 A Pro for €174 = €483 total
(non K is only €11 cheaper, so I‘d go for the K)

Core i7-11700K for €389 plus the same board as above = €563 total

Ryzen 5800X for €389 plus MSI B550-A Pro for € 122 = €511

Going for a last gen 10700k would save me €28 (€39 for the 10700) or about 5.5%. So in my market, the question is: why would I do that ? Getting last gen that‘s behind in everything should give me a lot lower cost.

If the difference is larger in your market, things may look different, so it always depends.

Bestbuy Canada has the 5800x for $569 right now:
https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/produc...ta-core-3-8ghz-am4-desktop-processor/15331715
 

Nanochip

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Fastest GPU at 1080p is the most important thing to remove GPU bottleneck. Did you understand the article?

That's besides the point, if I have a Nvidia gpu, and am considering purchasing either the 5800x or 11700k, what do I care about the 6900xt?
 

Geralt

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That's besides the point, if I have a Nvidia gpu, and am considering purchasing either the 5800x or 11700k, what do I care about the 6900xt?
You didn't understand. For benchmarks at 1080p, Radeon 6900XT is much faster than 3090. The benchmarker wants to remove the possibility of GPU bottleneck at that resolution. Why at 1080p? Because it is the best resolution to compare CPU's. This article is not about GPU's. Hopefully you understood now.
 

zaku49

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My next build will be with DDR5 RAM and whatever generation of Intel Core is available at the time. Probably 13 or 14th.

Intel for gaming and content creation.

AMD for benchmarkers and apps I don't use.
The way things are looking it's going to be like AMD for everything, and intel if you like adding +++++s to the end of your CPUs and buying motherboards that need to be replaced each time a new line comes out lol. I think you've been out of the gaming market for quite a while.
 
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Adi6293

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My next build will be with DDR5 RAM and whatever generation of Intel Core is available at the time. Probably 13 or 14th.

Intel for gaming and content creation.

AMD for benchmarkers and apps I don't use.

Hmm from all recent benchmarks on the Internet it seems like you should only be getting Intel in the winter since it helps with heating up the house..... otherwise AMD wins all the way
 

Adi6293

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A large chunk of your audience probably have nvidia gpus, so how do these trends compare with a 3080 or a 3090?

Is Ryzen better with AMD GPUs? Or does Intel close the gap when nvidia is inside? Or does the 5800x win regardless of the GPU?

From the charts of the average performance, seems that Intel has largely closed the gap, and that the 11700k is a decent alternative. This is a different conclusion than Gamer’s Nexus who called the 11700k a waste of sand. How can it be a waste if it’s roughly tied with the innovative Zen3 chip in 75 percent of games tested, when the same wasn’t true for 10th gen?

Would also be good to see a comparison between the 11700k and the 10700k. Thanks for the hard work!!

When Gamers Nexus done that review the CPU was rumoured to cost quite a bit more than it costs now, combine a high price with higher than competitor powder draw ~ waste of sand
 
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Lionvibez

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5800X for gaming? Still no.
You can get a 10700 for $399 CAD and a Z590 for $220 in Canada for example. Or a B560 for $140ish. 5800X alone is $609.

More than 8 cores won't help you in games either, so there goes your upgrade path if it's a gaming machine. For gaming get a 5600X and leave the 5800X alone unless it's HEAVILY discounted and you just have to have 8 cores.

The 5800X is $569 at Canada computers.
 

Adi6293

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Referring to Intel‘s marketing team ? To be fair AMD‘s probably enjoys the green stuff, so this should be accurate.

To be fair, as someone who owned the 5800X and now owns a 10850K the power draw is not an issue for the i9 while gaming, it's still higher than AMD's of course but I doubt you could actually see the difference on your electricity bill unless you game 18 hours a day, as to the cooling my stock Ryzen 5800X with PBO enabled was hotter than my i9 overclocked to 5.0Ghz on the same 360mm aio cooling
 

NeoMorpheus

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