Ammo manufacturer can't make extra artillery shells because TikTok data center is using...

[Blqckout]

So, TikTok is actually doing something good! It's slowing down the production of deadly weapons!

I don't see why this article has a negative view of this. The one thing that this world needs less of is live munitions. Cat videos don't result in funerals.

they do, tons of stupid and *****ic teens wanting to "belong" by doing stupid challenges
like the tide pod one, only one I remember since one of my friends died from it, what a *****

 

[shark975]

"Oh no, the bad china tiktok is prevented us from killing people"-Western liberal blogs, without any hint of irony

pretty sure ammunition manufacturing causes climate change, but it's weird how liberals never want to ban ammunition manufacturing or tanks (steel manufacturing) so they can rule the peasants. I'll believe climate change is real when Biden is like sorry military, gonna have to cut back cus climate change.

at the end of the day bullets rule, fake climate change fairies drool. you will never, ever, see a single politician demand military downsizing because of climate change. despite all that massive steel used in tanks, guns, aircraft carriers etc, and steel being a very carbon intensive industry.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Well, FWIW, China is in the process of a massive military buildup. They don't have to worry about an energy shortage, since they can, (and are), buying oil and gas from their BFF Russia, at a deep discount. Plus, moving their servers out of country, places less strain on their domestic electric needs.

Meanwhile, the west is being placated, diverted, and amused into submission, with cat videos, video games, and Tik-toc challenges.

The west needs to wake up, put down the game controllers, and take some sage advice from Sun Tzu, "if you want peace, prepare for war".

The last thing that I'd be worried about is how many shells that Norway can build.

Don't forget that China would probably have to produce non-stop for at least a decade for them to match the American weapons stockpile. The last thing that an American should be worried about is another country's military.

This is what I think of when I hear Americans worrying about the military of any country that isn't their own and it cracks me up:

 

[Avro Arrow]

they do, tons of stupid and *****ic teens wanting to "belong" by doing stupid challenges
like the tide pod one, only one I remember since one of my friends died from it, what a *****

You're going to try to compare the number of people who died because they were stupid enough to eat Tide Pods to the number of people who were killed with artillery shells?

Nobody is going to take that false equivalency seriously.

 

[Blqckout]

You're going to try to compare the number of people who died because they were stupid enough to eat Tide Pods to the number of people who were killed with artillery shells?

Nobody is going to take that false equivalency seriously.

no, both are stupid, but at least the soldiers died fighting for something, while the teens are dying for a few likes

 

[Avro Arrow]

In my mind, the question becomes Who else is not getting the energy they need because of Cat Video storage?

IMO, this would be hilarious if there were not an ironic truth to it in that a large amount of electricity is being used to store and serve up what essentially amounts to useless drivel.

Sure but Facebook, Twitter and a good chunk of YouTube are no different. This is called "selective complaining" and as long as they only have TikTok in their crosshairs, I won't ever take them seriously.

Homo "sapiens" has become too sapient for its own good. We over think everything. It leaves us with the arduous process of deciding things like, "which one 'true god', to pray at". Or, "what sex am I"?

I say, "let all those nukes fly", it's high time we gave the cockroaches their turn at running the planet.

You wouldn't be saying that if you were still young. It's very easy to be nihilistic after we've gotten old. Personally, I want to live forever, I like it here!

So it’s because electricity but we all need electric cars? Make that make sense.

Sure, I can make sense of it for you. It's anti-China propaganda that is trying to infer that it's a far better thing to make devices that kill people instead of videos that make people laugh. Who knew?

 

[Avro Arrow]

no, both are stupid, but at least the soldiers died fighting for something, while the teens are dying for a few likes

I wasn't talking about soldiers, I was talking about civilians. Very few things cause more collateral damage than an artillery barrage.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Remove the price control on commercial electricity and the problem goes away.

 

[Impudicus]

Just band Tik Tok once and for all. Society will be better for it.
And while you are at it, do the same for Facebook.

I can't help but feel Facebook (META) is playing a role in this push to ban TikTok. It is their biggest competitor after all.

 

[Blqckout]

I wasn't talking about soldiers, I was talking about civilians. Very few things cause more collateral damage than an artillery barrage.

id rather get an artillery shell in my forehead than make a singular tiktok

 

[CapNemo72]

Wow !!!
For starters, whoever is responsible for their infrastructure and did not account all kind of scenarios is guilty.
Your job is to think into the future, to think the worst scenarios, and be ready. If some IT company grows, that SHOULD NOT impact you. Otherwise, you planned very badly.

How the cat videos on TikTok are worse than the ones on YT or FB or IG?
Who forces you to watch cat videos if you do not like them?

Are we supposed to be objective tech nerds here or edging being racist and accusing one company for what others companies are doing too, but we do not accuse them because they are on "our side"?

 

[Mister_K]

Ban all social media. The internet was way more fun when everything was forums and wikis and fan sites. This internet blows.

Yeh lets reduce the amount of jobs available on the market because that's a good thing... The butterfly effect across industries would be immense.

There are inherent problems that you simply cannot fix with the likes of Instagram, TikTok, YouTube but also great monetary opportunities. For instance attention span of children has been really messed with due to YouTube and TikTok (Twitch too). At the same time, the educational and general entertainment benefits of Tube is astonishing.

 

[Steven Russum]

So, TikTok is actually doing something good! It's slowing down the production of deadly weapons!

I don't see why this article has a negative view of this. The one thing that this world needs less of is live munitions. Cat videos don't result in funerals.

 

[toooooot]

That is some very neat data center in the picture. But not as neat as Norwegian rounds that will kill invaders who came to take something that is not theirs to take.

 

[Steven Russum]

ANYTHING, that someone values can result in funerals. Prove me wrong. Just last week Poland said it is just a matter of time before they send in their troops to help defend Ukraine. Other EU countries are voicing the same concerns as Poland. Domino Principal. NATO will wait until one of it’s members is threatened or overtly attacked. Very easy to see why ANY country, not just Ukraine, needs shiploads of munitions. Dump Tic Tok . . .Ever heard of Clapper.

 

[Avro Arrow]

That is some very neat data center in the picture. But not as neat as Norwegian rounds that will kill invaders who came to take something that is not theirs to take.

I don't see how artillery would defend Norway. Artillery is a ground to ground weapon type and to invade Norway by land, an enemy would first have to get through Finland and Sweden. That's not happening.

 

[Avro Arrow]

ANYTHING, that someone values can result in funerals. Prove me wrong. Just last week Poland said it is just a matter of time before they send in their troops to help defend Ukraine. Other EU countries are voicing the same concerns as Poland. Domino Principal. NATO will wait until one of it’s members is threatened or overtly attacked. Very easy to see why ANY country, not just Ukraine, needs shiploads of munitions. Dump Tic Tok . . .Ever heard of Clapper.

If Norway doesn't have enough electricity to power everything in their country, they need to generate more. It's just that simple.

NATO already has shiploads of artillery rounds and whatever amount that Norway could produce is insignificant compared to the US output. Prove me wrong.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Lmao this is hilarious. imagine telling teens to stop uploading videos to tiktok because someone somewhere couldn't get enough power to produce ammos for firearms.

I don't think that we have to imagine it because, well, here we are. I honestly can't believe that anybody actually gives a rat's posterior about this. I sure as hell don't!

 

[Robbie K]

The real issue is the availability of electricity. So the wind and solar not enough? Hope all the environments feel good about themselves. Maybe they should all be shot out of artillery units in Ukraine. You know, to feel even more better about themselves.

 

[scavengerspc]

Nammo, an ammo manufacturer co-owned by the Norwegian government and a Finnish state-controlled defense company, cannot meet the increasing demand for its artillery rounds because a local data center, whose primary customer is TikTok, is using all the electricity in the region, preventing a planned expansion of Nammo's factory.

Oh, then problem solved.

The data center gets the next missile. Ample time announcement of course.

 

[captaincranky]

I wasn't talking about soldiers, I was talking about civilians. Very few things cause more collateral damage than an artillery barrage.

That would only be true, if Norway was giving the ammo to the Russians.

Those nasty old US HIMARS seem to be finding their mark on legitimate military targets, now don't they?

I don't see how artillery would defend Norway. Artillery is a ground to ground weapon type and to invade Norway by land, an enemy would first have to get through Finland and Sweden. That's not happening.

Um, because it's not going to be used to defend Norway, it's going to Ukraine

Sure but Facebook, Twitter and a good chunk of YouTube are no different. This is called "selective complaining" and as long as they only have TikTok in their crosshairs, I won't ever take them seriously.

Say what you like about YouTube, but I've "learned" how to make everything from hydrazine to epoxy tree trunk tables there.

If you go to YouTube looking for sh!t, you'll surely find it. But that's self determination, isn't it?

You wouldn't be saying that if you were still young. It's very easy to be nihilistic after we've gotten old. Personally, I want to live forever, I like it here!

Well, what I hold dear to my heart is that our species is crap, evolution run amok, as it were. H. sapiens is greedy, territorial, warlike, and morally bankrupt. It's everything needed to create the most vicious and savage apex predator in the past four billion years. Which is something I've known for at least the past three decades.

Don't forget that China would probably have to produce non-stop for at least a decade for them to match the American weapons stockpile. The last thing that an American should be worried about is another country's military.

Yeah, so we should just kick back for a decade to let them catch up? I'm sorry, did I read something into that.

So you guys in the great white white north finally decide if you want our F/A 18s, or F-35? Or is that a done deal?

Admission absolves guilt, right? Then granted, we're savages. But, our countries do have a mutual defense pact, do they not? So, you're only entitled to look down on us geographically, not morally.

And for all our massive stockpiles of weapons, we haven't even considered invading Canada, have we? Take comfort in our savagery, instead of disparaging us for it.

 

[erickmendes]

they do, tons of stupid and *****ic teens wanting to "belong" by doing stupid challenges
like the tide pod one, only one I remember since one of my friends died from it, what a *****

Seems like an advance on what Instagram was already doing? ... I really think that all this TikTok bad news is more about USA taking control of it's domestic TikTok operations than about TikTok doing anything else... Every social is collecting tons of data from every single person that matters (young people from 20's to close to 40's), that's where the money is but more importat, that's the people that's more active in the politic field, they are very vocal about their concerns.

So making USA TikTok an USA company is more about taking this powerfull tool under USA's population survaillance and control arsenal than anything else.

Spreading faking news or bad news is a weapon that totally fits this theater of operations... There's tons of wrong doing and fake news from Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat.... Don't be naive to think TikTok case is about anything but being chinese.

 

[Axeia]

Ban all social media. The internet was way more fun when everything was forums and wikis and fan sites. This internet blows.

Maybe we're just getting old, but yes I agree that the old internet surprisingly was the better internet. When sites were written by passionate people instead of for getting the most views/monetary gain.

So, TikTok is actually doing something good! It's slowing down the production of deadly weapons!

I don't see why this article has a negative view of this. The one thing that this world needs less of is live munitions. Cat videos don't result in funerals.

Probably because Ukraine isn't receiving enough shells for their artillery. Although like any sane person I'm generally against war I can't say I'm against it when a country is defending itself. The solution isn't to roll over and stop shooting back.

The last thing that I'd be worried about is how many shells that Norway can build.

Don't forget that China would probably have to produce non-stop for at least a decade for them to match the American weapons stockpile. The last thing that an American should be worried about is another country's military.

This is what I think of when I hear Americans worrying about the military of any country that isn't their own and it cracks me up:

America's artillery stockpile isn't as vast as you might imagine. Ukraine is firing 6000-7000 rounds a day which is about a third of what Russia is doing. This is because they need to ration it, not because they wouldn't be able to use more of it. The US can produce 14000 a month, so that stockpile can be depleted really really fast. Militaries have been busy spending billions on fancy toys but now that there is an actual war and not some underfunded terrorist group they're coming to the conclusion that war hasn't changed all that much and the 'dumb' stuff still works pretty well. Like digging trenches and covering areas in artillery fire. Europe is struggling to provide battle ready tanks as nearly all of them seem to have been neglected and need some serious maintenance and factories all over the world are struggling to keep up with artillery shell production for a war between two countries. Russia is even sourcing them from North Korea of all places.

<- Oh not a American btw.

If Norway doesn't have enough electricity to power everything in their country, they need to generate more. It's just that simple.

NATO already has shiploads of artillery rounds and whatever amount that Norway could produce is insignificant compared to the US output. Prove me wrong.

"Ukraine is burning through ammunition faster than the US and NATO can produce it"
"it will take anywhere from 12 to 18 months for the US to reach its "max" production rate of 70,00 artillery shells a month."
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/us-weapons-factories-ukraine-ammunition/index.html

"The Army’s top acquisition official says production of the 155-millimeter shells badly needed by Kyiv will rise to 90,000 a month in two years."
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/us/politics/pentagon-ukraine-ammunition.html

"Borrell said that Russian forces are firing about 50,000 rounds of artillery each day and that Ukraine’s supplies must be lifted to the same level. Other estimates suggest that Ukraine is firing up to 6,000-7,000 artillery shells daily, around a third of Russia’s total one year into the war."
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/eu-considers-ways-to-ramp-up-ammunition-production-for-ukraine

Ukraine is quickly depleting NATO's artillery rounds. Scaling up production is slow and sure a single plant in Norway would make a pretty small difference but it is a difference none the less. I'm pretty sure it will have more drastic effects than whatever the tiktok data center is doing. I can't find any numbers for the output of Nammo, they do seem to be quite innovative in having developed a RAM-jet powered shell quadrupling the range of artillery fire. That would allow Ukraine to hit much deeper into Crimea at a lower cost per shot (compared to missile systems) than they currently can.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Um, because it's not going to be used to defend Norway, it's going to Ukraine

Oh derp! I misunderstood when it was talking about demand because of the war in Ukraine. I thought that they were just going to be used to replace artillery rounds that were already sent to Ukraine. Now it makes a lot more sense.

And for all our massive stockpiles of weapons, we haven't even considered invading Canada, have we? Take comfort in our savagery, instead of disparaging us for it.

I wasn't disparaging your stockpiles, I simply said that as long as it exists, there's no shortage of weapons and/or munitions in the West. That's why I said it's no big deal.

And as for not invading us, what are you talking about? You've already invaded us, you just didn't do it militarily!

Exposing us to your draconian imperial measurements and oddball spelling.... you bloody IMPERIALISTS!!!

 

[Avro Arrow]

Seems like an advance on what Instagram was already doing? ... I really think that all this TikTok bad news is more about USA taking control of it's domestic TikTok operations than about TikTok doing anything else... Every social is collecting tons of data from every single person that matters (young people from 20's to close to 40's), that's where the money is but more importat, that's the people that's more active in the politic field, they are very vocal about their concerns.

So making USA TikTok an USA company is more about taking this powerfull tool under USA's population survaillance and control arsenal than anything else.

Spreading faking news or bad news is a weapon that totally fits this theater of operations... There's tons of wrong doing and fake news from Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat.... Don't be naive to think TikTok case is about anything but being chinese.

The attack on TikTok has nothing to do with where it comes from or what's on it. Those are just lame excuses. The real reason that TikTok is under siege by the media is because Mark Zuckerberg feels threatened by it and has lobbied the crap out of congress and the media.