veLa
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Buffoon. Literal Buffon. I’m talking about digital content, like movie or steam libraries.
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kiwigraeme
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Look I get it - you don't like piracy - but please inform yourself with regards to the formation of The USA - American stole endless IP from Europe without remorse- many if founding fathers werein debt to europe and they reneged on those debts.
It stole plants, fauna, seeds etc from around the world - then seeking to control the use that around the world ( eg see a USA company trying to control Basmati rice ) . All the old world persisted in this . Having agreements to carve up and exploit poor nations
You are smarter than that
As for USA corporations killing , they have killed , poisoned millions , including their own - This is no hollywood movie - they have left devastation around the world and in the USA
You could list 100s of thousands of cases
How many Sacklers are in jail for profiting of 100s ofthousands of deaths - none - yet the incentivised Doctors to hand it out willy nilly ( that's illegal in most modern countries )
The GOP is still trying to allow Corps to have little or no oversites for worker or environmental safety - oh horrible redtape , oh reds under beds
These big corps don't care about you or me
Big mining , tobacco, alcohol , gambling, pharma food etc are killing people left right and centre.
Big Oil know climate warming is real see Shell 1970s
They will steal fish right from coastal waters off Africa and poor countries
Try stopping poisonous corn syrup being added to everything in the States
Heart Attacks, Diabetes , dementia . cancer have exploded since the 70s - because big food is allowed to push and advertise crap - that's kill easily over a billion people
Practically no one exercised 100 years ago - they ate real food
First big mac I ate - I hated it - it was baby food - over processed crap - didn't even need teeth to eat it
So yes piracy not great - but F Corps who abuse us , spy on us ( see Sony who bought lots of IP - they put malware on our PCs )
Someone in Ghana does not give a F about movie piracy - or will cry one tear for a big western corp . When they see their fish they go out in small boats to fish are stolen with no regard to future or method , they have to feed their family today.
Again I sub to Netflix etc - but give people an easy option most will pay . The average Joe does not care what you think - when there are bigger problems in the world
Why can Canadians or Kiwis or nearly everyone else get cheap epipens for nut allergy - yet USA is all about exploitation profit before lives
Sorry USA corps deserve no respect or loyalty - they wouldn't care if you died , so long as shareholders are happy
Anyway let's leave it here - like most forums , no one comes to change opinion very often . No one reading this will start or stop pirating by what we say
Endymio
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I actually laughed at out at this one. Were many people in 16th Century Europe creating "plants, fauna, and seeds" and so owning the IP to them?
You mean like you New Zealanders carved up the Maori? I'd credit you with a point, except for the fact that we're talking about digital piracy, not the long-ago deeds of nation-states.
They care about us exactly as much as we care about them. Which is why capitalism works so well. If a corporation makes a product at a price I like -- I buy it. If the price is too high, I don't stamp my foot and childishly whine I'm being exploited. Freedom. Love it or leave it.
You're equating pirating movies to keeping your family from starvation?
Endymio
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I think we're all aware of that. Your error is in attempting to draw a false distinction between digital property, and property in general. The notion that "because something isn't for sale, I have the right to steal it" is fatuous beyond belief.
you can't even read something so simple correctly. you're inferring to piracy = theft. then I gave you an example that it does not hurt the pocket of the company. as a matter of fact piracy contributes to better marketshare.
smfh
Endymio
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I read your contorted ball of self-contradictory rationalizations correctly. Your statement that "the Microsoft boss allows piracy" certainly conflicts with "he knows for a fact that he can't stop piracy". And neither of them equates to "piracy doesn't hurt the company."'
Market share doesn't help the pocketbook of a company if the market is stealing all the goods. Gates was merely expressing the point that, in a nation where the majority of software is stolen, they may still be able to derive some benefit from the situation regardless. To put the example into terms you can understand: if you total your souped-up Camaro, you're going to take a serious loss. You might mitigate that loss by selling the wreck for salvage ... but you still took a bath.
but it doesn't hurt the company does it? in fact it does the opposite. at the time microsoft even occassionally sells windows for $3 in china because they might as well get $3 than nothing. it's not only doesn't hurt but it does the opposite. what part of this sentence is so hard to understand.
you're still comparing software to hardware like it's apple to apple while clearly it is not. try to learn to look at the big picture. the world with hundreds of nations with billions of people and computers.
but hey, if you are still comparing licensing windows to wrecking camaro, lmao, I rest my case.
Endymio
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The part that's rationalizing gibberish.
I'll give you an analogy easier to understand. When an author, photographer, or illustrator sells their work to a major publication, that exposure benefits them profesionally, and may lead to potential future sales. But that doesn't mean if the publication steals their work and prints it without payment that they're not harmed, now does it?
Extending your argument further, if not just one publisher did this, but *all* publishers, then there'd be no "future sales" to benefit from.
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And let's not forget, plain and simple, pirates are criminals.
More and more, pirates are being treated just as someone that tries to steal from a retail store.
And it can't happen soon enough.
Every criminal justifies their crimes. They use their laziness and lack of marketable skills
as excuses, instead of motivation to improve, and unsurprisingly expect others to foot
the bill for their shortcomings.
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I pirate. Sure it's illegal, doesn't mean it's wrong. Something can be illegal and still be morally and/or ethically right.
I also subscribe to 5 streaming services. And with every one except Netflix I pirated their IP for a certain amount of time before I decided they deserved my money. I consider it a demo, more than a theft. I've also dropped Crave (Canadian, HBO and a few others) and picked up Paramount + because it suited my tastes more since they moved their content from Crave. Doesn't mean I won't pirate a few series like LoU or the latest GoT. Want me to pay a monthly fee? Give me enough content every month to make it worth my while.
And that's the problem. There's this idea that these corporations have to make massive profits or they aren't performing up to stock holders expectations. What about my expectations? Anyone that puts my interests first like Steam gets my money. If all they see me as is a source of income, not a valued customer it's a hard pass for me. Prime's new ads are reaching a point where they might be next on the chopping block. And then yeah I'll pirate the few programs they have that still interest me after that.
We need to get back to the attitude that consumers matter. After all we put money in the till, not stockholders...
I also subscribe to 5 streaming services. And with every one except Netflix I pirated their IP for a certain amount of time before I decided they deserved my money. I consider it a demo, more than a theft. I've also dropped Crave (Canadian, HBO and a few others) and picked up Paramount + because it suited my tastes more since they moved their content from Crave. Doesn't mean I won't pirate a few series like LoU or the latest GoT. Want me to pay a monthly fee? Give me enough content every month to make it worth my while.
And that's the problem. There's this idea that these corporations have to make massive profits or they aren't performing up to stock holders expectations. What about my expectations? Anyone that puts my interests first like Steam gets my money. If all they see me as is a source of income, not a valued customer it's a hard pass for me. Prime's new ads are reaching a point where they might be next on the chopping block. And then yeah I'll pirate the few programs they have that still interest me after that.
We need to get back to the attitude that consumers matter. After all we put money in the till, not stockholders...
Browser ad-blocker should be able to stop them. I know the one built into Brave stops all Prime ads. It's not going to help you on a mobile device unless you trick the site into thinking your on a desktop-based browser, but it's an option.
It's a thought, but I mostly use dongles with my HDTVs and I'm pretty sure that there's no easy way to install an ad blocker on them.
If you mean something like Chromecast, they have a tendency to force the mobile app. I've stopped using Chromecast, so there may be ways to work around it and force the stream to stay native in the browser, but I don't know it off the top of my head. You'll likely take a resolution/bitrate hit as most streaming services have moved to limiting people to lower quality when not watching through their apps.
I'm bordering on canceling my Amazon Prime all together as the costs of an annual subscription are starting to outweigh the benefits.
Not when someone like you thinks you have the right to make that decision.
But this one, short paragraph sums up the mind set of a thief.
Or when the wealthy and powerful write laws to their own benefit? The classification of "thief" is like the "one true Scotsman" fallacy IMHO. The ones that accuse the most, are often standing more on a definition that allows "legal thievery" for those that can write the laws. As I said laws are not always either moral and/or ethical. It's most often the golden rule "those that have the gold... make the rules". For that reason being a "thief" doesn't produce any feeling of guilt in myself. So call me a thief and stand on the moral high ground all you want. I'll continue "stealing" from those that see me as a resource to bleed dry...
But if you are stealing, YOU are the one bleeding someone dry.
None of us gets to set prices of other's work. Our role is to decide if the price is worth it.
People work hard to build and create. When you take that from them without payment, you are a thief. And I'm not trying to cause guilt, seriously, I mean that.
But to be honest, when you take a service or product without paying, the lack of guilt is what concerns me the most.
Not to mention, I'm quite sure you don't work for free.
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