Apple demands sales data for hundreds of Steam games as part of its legal battle with Epic

krisstarr

Posts: 15   +11
First Apple locks the batteries in the new phones so you have to have them install it, even if you get an OEM Apple battery and install it, it will not work correctly.

Now they are fishing in Valves books to see if they can find something, for what purpose? I propose Valve tell them to F**K Off or offer them the information in exchange for a large amount of money to do so.

Plus they will charge you for any apps you might download in the future and a surcharge if someone else uses your phone.
 

ypsylon

Posts: 325   +232
As a response they shouldn't provide any legal explanations. They should just fax/e-mail back image of giant middle finger salute to Cupertino. That's the whole answer for Apple on the matter.
 

Axil00

Posts: 64   +75
I find this curious. Why is valve so protective of the data? If they want to stay out of all of this why aren’t they just cooperating, it’s a legal matter after all. No one is asking Valve to make anything public.

I feel there may be more to this story than what’s written here.
It's a civil legal matter.

You have to understand this isn't a court of law asking valve for this information it's Apple's attorneys who are seeking this information.

No company is going to provide information in some 3rd party lawsuit unless a judge orders it lest they become the defendant in a breach of confidentiality case.
 

Shadowboxer

Posts: 1,448   +1,046
It's a civil legal matter.

You have to understand this isn't a court of law asking valve for this information it's Apple's attorneys who are seeking this information.

No company is going to provide information in some 3rd party lawsuit unless a judge orders it lest they become the defendant in a breach of confidentiality case.
I understand what is happening.

Can you tell me why Valve don’t want to cooperate? I can’t work it out. It looks like they have an interest in keeping things hidden. I wonder what that might be?

Most companies don’t need to be subpoena’d to cooperate with the law. Whether it’s a civil matter or not. Had Valve cooperated with Apples request, there wouldn’t have been any headlines about it. If they don’t want to get involved they would have just handed over the data.
 

candle_86

Posts: 729   +729
I understand what is happening.

Can you tell me why Valve don’t want to cooperate? I can’t work it out. It looks like they have an interest in keeping things hidden. I wonder what that might be?

Most companies don’t need to be subpoena’d to cooperate with the law. Whether it’s a civil matter or not. Had Valve cooperated with Apples request, there wouldn’t have been any headlines about it. If they don’t want to get involved they would have just handed over the data.

We in America don't just give out our data to every time, ****, and harry that asks for it. No you want it you get to convince a court it's relevant and suppeona it.
 

ddferrari

Posts: 491   +246
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I understand what is happening.

Can you tell me why Valve don’t want to cooperate? I can’t work it out. It looks like they have an interest in keeping things hidden. I wonder what that might be?

Most companies don’t need to be subpoena’d to cooperate with the law. Whether it’s a civil matter or not. Had Valve cooperated with Apples request, there wouldn’t have been any headlines about it. If they don’t want to get involved they would have just handed over the data.
No, I don't think you do understand.

Handing over the data IS getting involved. And why should Valve take any part in helping Apple destroy yet another competitor who dares to question their business practices?

Oh, and a request from Apple's lawyers is not "the law". O_o
 

tancabean

Posts: 23   +31
I understand what is happening.

Can you tell me why Valve don’t want to cooperate? I can’t work it out. It looks like they have an interest in keeping things hidden. I wonder what that might be?

Most companies don’t need to be subpoena’d to cooperate with the law. Whether it’s a civil matter or not. Had Valve cooperated with Apples request, there wouldn’t have been any headlines about it. If they don’t want to get involved they would have just handed over the data.

You can’t work out why Valve doesn’t want to spend money to fulfill a bullshit request for confidential data in a legal matter that has nothing to do with them? Also Apple’s request is not “the law”.

You don’t seem to understand what’s happening at all.
 

candle_86

Posts: 729   +729
You can’t work out why Valve doesn’t want to spend money to fulfill a bullshit request for confidential data in a legal matter that has nothing to do with them? Also Apple’s request is not “the law”.

You don’t seem to understand what’s happening at all.

Some people assume Apple is God and what they want is law. Some folks would trade their kid for the latest iphone
 

Scrye74

Posts: 27   +53
People will be fed up with these distraction tactics and finger pointing in the end. They can stretch it as long as they want, they can throw around confusion for years, get in the victim role hard, cry much and scream very loud, but in the end they'll go down just like Trump.
I'm so fed up with people and companies like this. It's time they get pulled off of their high horses and stop leeching off of the general public and small developers and that they get cured from their addiction to money.
You sound like you would like to create your own game distribution platform. Since you are obviously so agrieved by profit making, I am anxious to see how that venture pans out for you.
 

Cubi Dorf

Posts: 320   +208
Apple is probably look for evidence to saying Epic has exclusive content on their store. They probably want to showing Epic is only source of a software that would make them a monopoly over the sale of that software, which is one thing Epic is accuse Apple in. They might think it weaken Epic case if they are doing same thing. However it is very weak argument since it is ignoring that any exclusive content is at the developer's choice and not force by the platform. That is really not same thing at all.

Valve is Epic's #1 competitor in digital game distribution. What are Apple up to here?
 

mbrowne5061

Posts: 1,808   +1,040
Apple is probably look for evidence to saying Epic has exclusive content on their store. They probably want to showing Epic is only source of a software that would make them a monopoly over the sale of that software, which is one thing Epic is accuse Apple in. They might think it weaken Epic case if they are doing same thing. However it is very weak argument since it is ignoring that any exclusive content is at the developer's choice and not force by the platform. That is really not same thing at all.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Its not about money or sales percentages, its about the pot calling the kettle black. Apple want to do a side-by-side comparison of Steam's and Epic's libraries, and look for all the permanent exclusives each one has, which kind of reveals how little Apple even understands the PC game market to begin with. You can buy games like Assassin's creed on Steam, but only play them on UPlay: does that make it available anywhere, or is it exclusive to UPlay? Apple doesn't want to go through the mess of manually untangling all the timed-exclusives from 'real' exclusives, and estimating sales data by looking at user counts and game hours, so they were trying to force Steam to do it for them. And then they were hoping that a judge wouldn't know better that Mobile games have completely different monetization models from PC games (30% on a one-time sale is 'less' of a concern than 30% on every MTX in a free-to-play game).