Apple M1 Ultra benchmarks put it ahead of Core i9-12900K and Xeon W, close to Threadripper...

Mr Majestyk

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This margin will only increase with time as Apple has far more resources to pour into R&D, production, etc than any other company. The fact that they are ahead or at the worst, slightly behind now, bodes well for them in the near future.

5 years from now, will there be any desktops that can rival them? Now.... if only they ran Windows natively :)

They will have the performance per watt crown for at least 3 years, if not more, but Intel is supposedly putting huge effort into Arrowlake to compete against the Mx series. I hope AMD also takes this more seriously with Zen 5 onward. At this stage my next laptop might be Apple if the M2 series show nice uplifts. An M2 max would be pretty tempting.

I wish Apple weren't so insular and sold their cpu's to third parties and as you say they could run windows or even Linux.
 

Squid Surprise

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They will have the performance per watt crown for at least 3 years, if not more, but Intel is supposedly putting huge effort into Arrowlake to compete against the Mx series. I hope AMD also takes this more seriously with Zen 5 onward. At this stage my next laptop might be Apple if the M2 series show nice uplifts. An M2 max would be pretty tempting.

I wish Apple weren't so insular and sold their cpu's to third parties and as you say they could run windows or even Linux.
Intel says that they will be "competitive" within 3 years... but they don't say whether they will be competitive with the CURRENT Apple products or the future ones... Hard to believe anything Intel says anyways...

Apple has far more resources than Intel and I see no reason to believe that they can catch up.
 
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hahahanoobs

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Apple silicon could beat a 12900K using 1w of power. I still wouldn't want it. It's great for laptops primarily due to low power usage and tablets, but it doesn't help me do anything better on a PC running Windows.
 

ChristopherB

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"Even the mighty Threadripper 3990X with its 64 cores can only manage a 4.5% faster multi-threaded score (25,133), and the M1 Ultra is ahead of AMD’s CPU when it comes to single-core (1,213)."

I guess my 3970X is faster than a 3990X in geekbench???
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/12490490

3970X with an Optimus waterblock, D5 pump, and 280mmx45mm radiator
 

wizardB

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Seems most of the sites all have similar titles.....

Threadripper 3990X is much faster and that should be 3970X which is 32 cores and is abit faster.

And this is based on Zen 2 so a TR Pro based on Zen 3 will be even faster.

The only site to have an accurate title was wccftech which is a low bar to pass..
Like all things Apple the "Reality Suspension Zone" has been engaged.
 
I am pretty sure it's "ahead" under what like 60TDP? Last I checked desktop GPUs and CPUs go way beyond that.

Pretty sure someone can do a car analogy here.

Yeah, there is a car analogy and it goes something like this: Apple has made a 200 mph top-speed, two-seater that gets 200 mpg, while the "competition" (if one can even call them that this year or last, except for AMD, of course) are struggling to hit 30 mpg. But the competition can hit 220 mph at the top of their game, while Apple got into the exotic car business last year.

Read that part again: LAST YEAR (okay, plus 6-8 weeks).

Here's another: It's sorta like Tesla coming in and trouncing the car industry out of nowhere and all the archaic fuel fanboiz not accepting it while GM/Ford/et al. were and still are tanking, and needed a big bear hug from Biden before they were taken seriously.
 

Bobbydpue

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And also this is just one attempt from one company who literally never made CPUs before.
Apple still doesn't "make" CPU's they design them and another company makes them. Apple has been designing CPU's for a while their M1isn't their first CPU take a look at their A series of chips they've been designing for their iPhones and iPads for years.
 

Bobbydpue

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Intel says that they will be "competitive" within 3 years... but they don't say whether they will be competitive with the CURRENT Apple products or the future ones... Hard to believe anything Intel says anyways...

Apple has far more resources than Intel and I see no reason to believe that they can catch up.

Apple doesn't have far more resources than Intel. How can you say you have a hard time believing anything intel says while championing Apple? Have you seen their product announcement events and read their website? They make every product sound amazing even their worst products are marketed using the best adjectives available in the English language. They tried to make a $6000 server with an 8 core CPU, 256GB of storage and a $200 GPU sound like the most powerful computer in the world.
 

Bobbydpue

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Do people still do this? Im forever mystified by people taking sides with one corporation or the other. I’ve been using Macs since forever but 100% realise that they’re not for everybody and a PC is clearly better for certain work and games especially. It’s just computers dude.

They don’t need to be more than a niche, they’re one of the highest values companies in the world, domination of the computer market is not their goal. PC’s are popular because they work perfectly for most people and there’s plenty of excellent machines out there.

As for Macs being overpriced, as a freelancer I pay a lot to lease an M1Max MacBook Pro but it’s worth every penny. Work that would have brought my old MBP to its knees, fans going like a jet engine, it sails through. I’ve had it for a month and am yet to hear the fan or feel it get hot, and the battery life is insane.

Most will likely be buying the studio for work too, so in that context it’s not expensive if it gives you a return on investment.

The hype for Apple Silicon is justified, I’m used to incremental improvements in new machines but this genuinely feels like a game changer this time. God knows what the Mac Pro will be capable of. 👍
First off their previous MacBook Pro's kept the CPU at 100c for intensive tasks, because Apple didn't design the cooling to be better than the minimum so that's Apple's fault. Apple's new CPU's Max and Pro have better cooling than their intel parts even though they use less power.

Why are you leasing a MacBook Pro? That sounds like a lot of wasted money unless there is some replacement program and replacement in case your current device has issues.

What about the hype for their previous Mac Pros? Like their modular trashcan that wasn't supported much after its initial release or their current, overpriced, Mac Pro they likely won't support any more? I'm still annoyed Apple is charging so much money for memory and storage upgrades when it costs them a fraction of the costs.
 

Squid Surprise

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Apple doesn't have far more resources than Intel. How can you say you have a hard time believing anything intel says while championing Apple? Have you seen their product announcement events and read their website? They make every product sound amazing even their worst products are marketed using the best adjectives available in the English language. They tried to make a $6000 server with an 8 core CPU, 256GB of storage and a $200 GPU sound like the most powerful computer in the world.
I'm not "championing" Apple... and they DO have far more resources than Intel... Every big company over hypes their products - it's called marketing... But, in general, Apple products tend to be pretty good, well reviewed, keep their value over time and quite popular...

By the way... you DO know you can reply to more than one post in a message, right?
 

Bobbydpue

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Doesn't the M1 ultra use TSMC 5nm so it's of course going to be more efficient than most CPU's and GPUs built on older processing nodes.
Most of the efficiencies come from the specific design that works on MacOS only and has very few configurations. Apple doesn't need to design their Operating System to work with hardware and software from tens of thousands of different vendors.
 

Alfatawi Mendel

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Apple can make outrageous claims about their products, because no-one is able to make apples-to-apples comparisons...Its a locked eco-system. And that's the way Apple likes it.
It's also the reason you don't see ultra-efficient server farms populated by the seemingly miraculous Apple hardware.
As Pat Gelsinger said....They are essentially a lifestyle outfit.
They prey on the gullible...
 

Sausagemeat

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Apple still doesn't "make" CPU's they design them and another company makes them. Apple has been designing CPU's for a while their M1isn't their first CPU take a look at their A series of chips they've been designing for their iPhones and iPads for years.
Sure, TSMC make them. But by your logic AMD don’t make CPUs either. The M1 is the very first CPU Apple has made to power OSX. And yes They have been designing CPUs for mobile phones and iPads, these CPUs evolved into the M1.

But none of this changes the fact that Apple are still a very new player in this industry.
 

HardReset

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I think Apple had push Intel/Nvidia off the ledge of performance and efficiency already
Right now Apple has node advantage and also Apple wastes silicon like there is no shortage at all. Those two things explain about all of Apple's efficiency and performance.