August Steam survey: AMD loses CPU ground to Intel, top GPU changes again

[GTvon]

Well, IIRC & AFAIK, Steam no longer supports Windows 7. Which begs the question, "why are any users at all reporting it as being their OS"?

Steam no longer supports it That doesn't mean it doesn't work with any games still. You're confusing the terms support with whether or not it will work.
You can make a lot of things work that don't have official support.

 

[Austntok]

Intel mobile CPU's are probably why they gained on AMD. The mobile 200 series was good. The year old 258v is just as good, sometimes better, and more efficient than the new Z2 Extreme. And the 258v was put in a ton of laptops. All the hate and poor gaming performance of Intel desktop 200 series does not reflect on the mobile 200 chips.

 

[Loadedaxe]

"just works, that is what I need" It might come as a surprise for you but AMD also works, and in fact it works very well in all scenarios, Intel...well...sometimes is stumbles.

Well, I have used AMD in the past all the way up to 5800X3D, sold every one of them due to issues. So with my anecdotal experience, Intel just works, and for me. I stick with what works, its never a crap shoot.

My 265k, MB and 32GB Memory kit cost me $450 and runs like a champ. X3D alone is that much.

 

[Stoly]

So where are the radeon 9000 series?

 

[captaincranky]

It still runs on 7 but no longer updates.

I think in, hindsight, the hook is they will no longer allow you to install steam on Widows 7. That, and the fact that virtually none of the programs/games currently available, will run on 7 anyway.

It does make sense that if you have Win 7, and games that still do run on it, they won't, "kick you out".

 

[Later]

Who on earth is buying Intel these days? I get businesses will be still, as Intel is practically forced on them, but gaming PC's and custom builds? Pre-builts are probably still Intel, since I'm sure Intel give a little kickback for using them.

I guess proof that if you produce the catagorically better product, you still might not win the majority of the market if the market is just a duopoly.

My company did, they bought a lot of HP laptops all with Intel cpu's. We are replacing the old HP's with new HP's, all Intel based.

 

[OortCloud]

The Steam survey highlights how spectacularly overpriced the AMD 9070 cards are and so how poorly they have sold - neither of them even make the top 100... It's so frustrating that AMD do this again and again. Especially this time around as the 9070 XT is a really capable card but they just can't resist pricing it alongside it's (also very overpriced) NVidia competitor. Nobody buys it because they fear AMD and think they will get wider compatibility, more fame-gen support, more trustworthy ray-tracing etc etc from the tried-and-trusted NVidia part. AMD need to be a much clearer margin cheaper than Nvidia for a generation or two to get a proper foot in the door before they can think about price-performance parity.

 

[HardReset]

My company did, they bought a lot of HP laptops all with Intel cpu's. We are replacing the old HP's with new HP's, all Intel based.

I expect there is no real explanation for that. At least not better than "Intel is stable, AMD is not" or similar BS.

 

[bandit8623]

Didn't Techspot do an article on on the 265K recently?

https://www.techspot.com/review/3026-core-ultra-7-vs-ryzen-5-cpu-gpu-scaling/

It barely beats a 7600X and is consistently beaten by the 9700X, you definitely don't need a 9800X3D to beat it.

Edit: Just had a look and the 9700X is £5 cheaper than the 265K whilst consistently being better in gaming.

they also didnt show any settings or specs. im guessing boost was off. also the 265k is 60$ cheaper here than the 9700x. https://www.microcenter.com/product/685301/core-ultra-7-265k-arrow-lake-twenty-core-lga-1851-boxed-processor-heatsink-not-included?bvstate=pg:2/ct:r&storeid=101

 

[bandit8623]

I expect there is no real explanation for that. At least not better than "Intel is stable, AMD is not" or similar BS.

its more so that amd still doesnt do onboard gpus well. most work pcs are using onboard graphics.

 

[nnguy2]

The Steam Survey is voluntary, not automatic. I have AMD, but rarely if ever bother to take their voluntary-only hardware survey. I'm certain I'm not alone... That's why the survey results are anything but definitive, even for Steam's customer base.

I've had 5 AMD CPU/GPU systems over the last 15 years and as soon as I get a laptop with intel 275HX and 5080 gpu, the survey pops up asking me...

 

[HardReset]

its more so that amd still doesnt do onboard gpus well. most work pcs are using onboard graphics.

Onboard graphics has been obsolete for long time. Integrated graphics (on CPU) AMD does better.

 

[SirStephen]

The Steam Survey is voluntary, not automatic. I have AMD, but rarely if ever bother to take their voluntary-only hardware survey. I'm certain I'm not alone... That's why the survey results are anything but definitive, even for Steam's customer base.

So what? Your personal experience and behavior isn't unique to AMD owners. I have Intel and Nvidia and have done the survey maybe once. It all evens out in the end.

 

[captaincranky]

Onboard graphics has been obsolete for long time. Integrated graphics (on CPU) AMD does better.

A rose is a rose is a rose....in the garden of semantics ?

(But yes, I do know the difference, being the, "proud owner", of both G-31 & G-41 graphics chipset boards).

But then I must ask of thee, when is an IGP not an IGP, but rather an APU?

 

[HardReset]

A rose is a rose is a rose....in the garden of semantics ?

(But yes, I do know the difference, being the, "proud owner", of both G-31 & G-41 graphics chipset boards).

But then I must ask of thee, when is an IGP not an IGP, but rather an APU?

IGP may be on motherboard or CPU.

Anyway I really don't know where that "Intel has better IGP" comes from. AMD has better IGP solutions if leaving out "desktop" Ryzens that are not APUs.

 

[captaincranky]

IGP may be on motherboard or CPU.

Which is exactly the point I was trying to make. "Onboard graphics", as I perceived it, was being used as the generic term for IGP. Likewise, if I called AMD's APU "onboard graphics", or an "IGP", somebody here would likely pitch a fit and say, "duh, AMD doesn't have IGP, they have APUs". So, as someone who is argumentative, but not necessarily overly picky about terminology, a machine with, "onboard graphics", is any turd that will still boot, and doesn't need a separate "AIB", "VGA", or "video card", shoved up its socket to put a display on a monitor.

As to whether or not, "Intel has the best IGP", I think it's a certainty of current opinion that, "anything Intel can do, AMD can do better". (Do remember, I wasn't the one who suggested that).

Any of that notwithstanding, and being the uninformed Luddite I am, I still build with Intel. And it spite of the fact that Intel's IGPs suck, I won't buy an Intel CPU without it. But bear in mind, my newest machine only has to beat my last machine, not anybody else's. I consider a machine, "finished", after I have video output, but before I install a VGA.

Well, that's it for now, ('yay' I hear you say). I'm going off to ruminate on the sociological and psychological implications of the Steam survey. Either that, or maybe I'll just take some of my "sleeping powders" and turn in for the night.

 

[yannus]

Well, I have used AMD in the past all the way up to 5800X3D, sold every one of them due to issues. So with my anecdotal experience, Intel just works, and for me. I stick with what works, its never a crap shoot.

My 265k, MB and 32GB Memory kit cost me $450 and runs like a champ. X3D alone is that much.

It's anecdotal indeed. Ryzen is so awesome, low power usage, rock stable, even iGPU is amazing, their commitment on Linux, perf for money. When you see the long list of problems with Intel these last years, your experience is valid for you but definitively can't be extrapolated.

 

[yannus]

High-end laptops are still exclusive to Intel in terms of features, latest displays, Thunderbolt 5 and wifi 7 capabilities. Latest Xess is also superior to rdna 3.5 with fsr 3.5 in latest AMD apus which will not get an upgrade till 2028 to fsr 4 via rdna4 or better.

Have you seen Ryzen AI Max+ 395 igpu perfs and power usage. It's even sometimes better than apple's M4 pro/max.

 

[amghwk]

Not surprising. Most laptop vendors are churning out more laptops based on Intel rather than AMD. Windows 11? No surprises there too. Almost 99% of laptops come pre-installed with the latest Windows.

The first thing I usually do when buying laptops nowadays is, I buy a Ryzen 7 or 9 based laptop, format the SSDs or buy a bigger one and install Linux.