BTW how they(ars) installed SteamOS on their custom mini-pc? Just DL steamdeck image and try it? Officially SteamOS works only for portable Steam Deck/Legion Go/ASUS ROG Ally/etc...But if you're lucky you could boot the image with any AMD gpu PC(x86)? Are SteamOS specific kernel/driver? updates opensource?
Benchmarks show Windows can still outperform SteamOS on dedicated GPUs
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MakeMSGreatAgain
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Mostly meaningless for those of us done for Windows. I won't use it anymore, I hate what M$FT has done to ruin it. I game on my gaming PC using PopOS Linux, but I don't play multiplayer often. I don't know if it is "beastly" but I have a i9 14900K, 32 GB DDR 5, and RTX 5070 Ti 16GB. I mostly play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 and GTA5, along with a handful of VR games. I want to play Battlefield but not enough to use Windows.
I really want Valve to keep pushing and pushing hard. I want SteamOS to take over as a solid gaming OS, I want it to be compatible with custom built PC's, I want nVidia to provide better driver support, and I want developers and especially AAA developers to put some focus on Linux compatibility, and I want Windows to be dumped for gaming. M$FT can take their crappy AI driven, ad loving, tracking pile of burning trash of an OS and shove it where the sun don't shine.
I really want Valve to keep pushing and pushing hard. I want SteamOS to take over as a solid gaming OS, I want it to be compatible with custom built PC's, I want nVidia to provide better driver support, and I want developers and especially AAA developers to put some focus on Linux compatibility, and I want Windows to be dumped for gaming. M$FT can take their crappy AI driven, ad loving, tracking pile of burning trash of an OS and shove it where the sun don't shine.
MasterAce
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I run a Ryzen 9700X 32GB and 7900XTX on bazzite. I do VM, shotcut videoediting, I compiled and ran UE5 on it. Blender is great.
All my games work great too. Even my ubisoft plus subscription works.
Some people like to install a rootkit and deal with alot of toxic jerks, they call it multiplayer. I stopped that years ago.
All my games work great too. Even my ubisoft plus subscription works.
Some people like to install a rootkit and deal with alot of toxic jerks, they call it multiplayer. I stopped that years ago.
Yes it is. I bet you have little Linux experience, just installs an easy distro and looks at the desktop.
I have 10.000+ hours of configuring/troubleshooting in Linux for both servers and desktop. Worked with Debian daily for servers for 10+ years ... So yeah. Keep thinking you are a power user
Please don't act like you are a Linux guru because you installed Mint.
So multiplayer games are boring, but Ubisoft games are so good that you subscribed. Hahaha.
Funny how a Linux user hates Multiplayer, wonder why...
Most Linux gamers; Using old hardware, playing old games, in single player and then claims it is top tier for gaming, while getting on average only 75% of the performance they would have gotten in Windows.
Yes sure sounds like an awesome gaming OS for people with top tier hardware, wanting to play all new games, multiplayer included. Reality calls.
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yRaz
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That's cute that you had to start bragging about experience and lowering yourself to throwing around insults. Only thing I will say about our little interaction is you seem to know very little various Distros and why there good or bad. Sounds more like an entry level position where the servers just happened to use Debian. Mind explaining why Debian was your distro of choice to use layman looking for a Proper Linux experience?Yes it is. I bet you have little Linux experience, just installs an easy distro and looks at the desktop.
I have 10.000+ hours of configuring/troubleshooting in Linux for both servers and desktop. Worked with Debian daily for servers for 10+ years ... So yeah. Keep thinking you are a power user
Please don't act like you are a Linux guru because you installed Mint.
It was not.
Debian stable for servers, always.
Arch or fork for regular desktop. Tested tons of other distros anyways.
You tried an easy Linux distro and thinks your a guru. I know the type.
You also a hacker right? Because you can install Kali
MasterAce
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Just look at the steam hardware survey; most windows gamers run old hardware playing old games. The OS has nothing to do with it.
And where did you get that 75% figure?
yRaz
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You paid so little attention to what I said that you actually have no idea what I use and why. Yeah run mint on my main desktop and my laptop. But when you consider I have 13 systems and over 50VMs running then what I prefer to run on my personal computer at home.
I hate to break it to you Linux elitist types, but Linux isn't hard and pretending it is doesn't somehow make you some super genius. While you keep trying to belittle people, I'll be on forum walking people through from their first installs all the way to setting up their on private cloud services.
Linux is hard if you don't just install easy to use distros. If you don't agree, you need to go read about the Dunning–Kruger effect and dig deeper.
That is why I get paid pretty much what I want, for controlling our debian based hyperscale datacenter running 1000s of VMs. Very few people actually know enough about Linux to do advanced stuff. On the other hand, millions and milliions of "Microsoft Experts" out there, and companies can pick and choose, which means vastly lower salary. This has been the case for decades and the reason I focussed on Linux from the get go. Work less, get paid more, sounded better to me.
Still, I would not want Linux on my desktop gaming PC regardless of distro. I use tweaked Windows 11 (answer file, actually tweaking and optimizing the OS, postponing and blocking select updates, limited background processes, freeing up tons of ressources to get maximum gaming performance, as this is the only goal of my gaming PC)
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Most people play multiplayer games. Esport games. Which very often needs Anti Cheat software installed. Simply look at Steam top 100. Most are not Steam Deck verified.
Which don't even run in Linux due to lacking anti cheat for the most part, and zero focus from developers in almost all cases.
This is why Windows is listed in the actual game requirements. Along with Secure Boot, TPM 2.0, HVCI and VBS for many multiplayer games now. Let me guess, you don't play new multiplayer games?
If you can't fathom Linux has issues with Anti Cheat in general, you must be playing - like I said - old singleplayer games on old hardware, like most people that claim Linux is "awesome for gaming" just because a game actually starts.
Linux is still mostly garbage for gaming, when the goal is optimal performance (regardless of game and while not cherrypicking) in newer games on newer hardware - especially if you want to enjoy multiplayer as well - then Linux is dead in the water.
Anti‑cheat is still the single biggest reason major online titles do not work or are blocked from online play on Linux with no easy fix on the horizon.
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Burty117
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Yeah okay, lets have a look at the most popular Esports titles, since apparently, that's what most people play:
Counter-Strike 2 - Works on Linux
DOTA 2 - Works on Linux
League of Legends - Used to work, no longer does due to Anti-Cheat (Vanguard)
Overwatch 2 - Works on Linux
Valorant - Has never worked due to Anti-Cheat (Vanguard)
PUBG - Doesn't work due to Anti-Cheat (BattleEye) however, BattleEye does support Linux if switched on by the developers
Fortnite - Doesn't work due to Anti-Cheat (EAC/BattleEye) however, EAC/BattleEye does support Linux if switched on by the developers
Rocket League - Works on Linux
We could go for older or less popular ones as well:
Team Fortress 2 - Works on Linux
War Thunder - Works on Linux
PayDay 2 - Works on Linux
StarCraft II - Works on Linux
Apex Legenda - Used to work, no longer does due to developer decision
Basically, the ones that don't work, either can support Linux and the developers choose not to, or the only Anti-Cheat it seems that doesn't have any kind of Linux support, is Vanguard.
Overall though, for someone claiming Esports titles are basically a no go, That list says that Linux is actually better on this front than expected. The only games in that list I've played any decent amount is Counter-Strike, Overwatch, Team Fortress 2 and Apex Legends, meaning if I moved to Linux, it's only Apex I wouldn't be able to play, not bad going really for a "completely useless OS when it comes to multiplayer games".
CS 2 is Valve. Valve focusses on Linux gaming due to SteamOS and Steam Deck, soon Steam Console. However, CS2 performance in Linux is worse. By 20-30% and this is why no serious CS 2 player use it. FPS is king in this game. Tied to engine and bullet spread.
Also, CS is notorious for cheaters. Actual good players, play on closed servers with ID requirement for this reason. Valve lowered their anti cheat effectiveness to allow Linux to work. No kernel access. You can inject code. Tons of other newer shooters, has actual working anti cheat now, none of these work under Linux.
All real CS2 players would know this. No CS 2 tournaments use Linux. People would complain instantly. Sensitivity feels off in many Linux games as well. A casual gamer would not notice this probably. Good players will.
Pretty much all games you mention, runs far worse overall in Linux than on Windows. Still a huge amount of games that don't run at all. BF6 and COD 7 released not long ago, won't work at all on Linux. Requirements not fulfilled. Anti Cheat not working. So again, new games, a big no on Linux. Multiplayer especially.
Game developers, plus AMD/Nvidia/Intel, don't care much about Linux gaming, if at all. Their drivers/software is targetted at Windows. 99% or more of their users, are using Windows. Games list Windows in the requirements. Games are tweaked, optimized and perfected for running in Windows. Hence why it is listed in the requirements.
Again, casual gamers might be fine, with lower performance running Linux overall, and with some games not working at all, with no multiplayer. A real gamer would not accept this. This is the reason you don't see any serious gamers, building a top gaming machine and then installing Linux. It would be pointless. Might as well shoot yourself in the foot.
Days of playing Tux Racer only on Linux is gone, sure, but there is still a LOOOONG way before Linux can replace Windows unless you are a casual gamer.
What is the title of this thread? Windows still beats Linux in terms of performance. And this is not the biggest problem running Linux. Lack of Anti Cheat support is. Huge problem.
Just because a few cherrypicked games can show better, or just as good, performance in Linux, does not change the fact that the overall performance will be far off compared to Windows.
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Burty117
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Can you point me to where I mentioned performance please? I can wait...
I can however point to your comments on Esport titles or multiplayer titles being impossible to run:
I'm sure you're desparate to go off on performance again, I did a quick search on Counter Strike 2, windows vs linux, and it's anywhere from 2% to 18% slower, you saying 20-30 is already proven to be a statistic made up by yourself, so we won't discuss performance further.
No serious or pro CS2 players would touch Linux with a 10 feet pole. All the proof you need.
MasterAce
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Actual recearched numbers put single vs multiplayer between 1/2 to 3/4 in favor of multiplayer, depending on the metric. Saying ”most people” is an overstatement.
For these anti-cheat games they expect your own system to become a black box controlled by operators unknown to you. Linux does not and will not work this way by principle. Anti-cheat on Linux would require a complete redesign and change of perspective. And seeing how broken anti-cheat is, new ideas would be great.
You calling Linux garbage is just as useful as me calling windows gargabe. And suggesting I have old hardware is just as wrong, I actually have the latest kit and play all the latest single player games @4K and I have done my own comparisons; they run exactly the same on both Linux and Windows, unless you actually benchmark them to see the few % difference.
Uh no it's not . Who tf is running ray tracing with 8gb of vram?
Yes because you KNOW they technical geniuses..
Yes because you KNOW they technical geniuses..
Nah most are not, but they know for sure how games should and should not run.
And they all use Windows for optimal performance (minimum fps especially) and flawless sensivity.
Linux still feels off in this regard and this is nothing new.
There is litterally 1000s of hits when you search about Linux gaming sensitivity issues.
Again, a casual gamer might not notice stuff like this. I sure do and pro and serious gamers do notice this instantly.
It does not help Linux, that most PC game developers and gaming hardware manufacturers, have no Linux focus at all. If you run Linux and have issues, do a forum post on a developer forum, you just get asked to try and replicate the issue on Windows.
They don't support Linux in almost all cases. Game requirements, say Windows. For good reason. Game developers would be too busy helping Linux users all the time if that was not the case. So they do the easy solution: Don't officially support Linux - Now they can focus on Windows, which 99.9% of gamers use anyway.
The requirement for a game to get Steam Deck verfied, is that the game starts and don't crash instantly or run like pure shite. Says enough. In most cases, even Steam Deck sees improvements in performance when running Windows. Tested and tried one myself. It is low-end hardware, so you won't see great performance regardless. It is mostly good for indies or emulation of older consoles (to some degree). AAA games mostly runs like crap even on low preset.
Most Linux gamers, use Steam Deck which is a low-end device or are just casual gamers with little demands on how games should run, thinking 30-60 fps is "fine" and just accept it.
No comparison with an actual high-end gaming PC, where people actually have high demands for performance, wants low latency and smooth/good overall feel, using 144 Hz minimum, prefers 240+ Hz with several hundred fps and high minimum fps.
No comparison, at all.
So yeah, Linux works for gaming. Mostly if you are a casual gamer.
Serious and demanding gamers, are not going to bother for one second, at least not yet.
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