Bill Gates discusses Steve Ballmer's leadership role, mobile mistake

By Shawn Knight · 24 replies
Feb 18, 2013
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  1. Bill Gates recently sat down for an interview with CBS’ Charlie Rose to discuss a number of topics ranging from his life after stepping down from his day-to-day activities at Microsoft almost five years ago to his work with the...

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  2. bexwhitt

    bexwhitt TS Guru Posts: 355   +72

    Every version of windows has been dumbed down more and more since the fantastic Windows 2000.

    Window 8 if you don't resort to a hack is probably fine if you want to just do a few dedicated tasks but is a mess if you want to delve into the OS.

    The ideal modern windows pc would be delivered set up with no prospect of any addition of software or hardware, then if that suited, you would be happy,
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  3. H3llion

    H3llion TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,377   +286

    Windows 7 > 2000
    backo, gamoniac and EEatGDL like this.
  4. I want to know if Mr. Gates dyes his hair. Just For Men or no? That's the real question!!!

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  5. beancube

    beancube TS Rookie

    MS think they understand user communities after they give their management the tittle. Windows 8 is just a product of those tittles. Windows 8 is not what user communities are trying to accomplish. Wearing uniforms like those Apple and Chinese sellers trying to push is not modern technologies. Company Shop sites are not real close combats among these companies that they actually need. Company Shop sites provide blinded stupid spots hiding their real needs to compete. Suing each other for those stupid patent law languages are fooling themselves only. Expensive lawyers honestly love it.
  6. Windows
    NT 4.0 ....Flop!
    NT 5.0 .....Flop! "Windows 2000"
    NT 5.1 .....With SP3 Was a Best Seller! "XP 32-bit"
    NT 5.2 .....With SP2 MS first 64-bit OS was very good! "XP 64-bit"

    NT 6.0 .....Flop! "Windows Vista"
    NT 6.1 .....With SP2 Was a Best Seller! "Windows 7 32-bit/64-bit"
    NT 6.2 .....With SP1 Blue could be best seller? MS first hybrid UI "Windows 8 32-bit/64-bit"

    NT 7.0 ......Hybrid Intel 64/ARMv8 "Windows 9?"
  7. coppersloane

    coppersloane TS Enthusiast Posts: 108   +33

    Love Windows 7. Love 8 even more... I just wish I had the dough to buy a touchscreen monitor. Ballmer is a go-getter, and isn't shy. I like that. He's no-nonsense. He and Gates should be taking to the stage together. They balance each other out.
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  8. bexwhitt

    bexwhitt TS Guru Posts: 355   +72

    I never said that, I like windows 7, I am fine with windows 8 with some tweaking (startisback)

    What I am saying is it's dumbed down. It started with XP
    For example go into the the control panel and with the default view you get group options where you are treated like an dumb fool.

    The problem with Microsoft is too much money and too many people with their oar in the UI, its become a complicated mess

    The default windows 8 setup has had one of my customers on the verge of depression and others very confused.
  9. EEatGDL

    EEatGDL TS Evangelist Posts: 568   +241

    There's no SP2 in 6.1. And I'm with Hellion, how can you said that a system with 4 service packs is better than one with just one and lot less updates needed and security holes found on it. Windows 2000 was just the first iteration of a decent Windows for consumer, because the way Windows 9x was designed it had no future; and most of the problems carried to these days are because of the bad design of Windows 9x, starting by the register.

    Windows 7 was doing well until they got lazy on development trying to focus on the tablet market and doing basicly the same system interface for the entire Microsoft environment (XBOX, phone, tablet, PC) which unifies the experience for users familiar with any of those mentioned but not necessarily improving the usabilty in the whole environment -4 months using Windows 8 and never got comfortable with the nuisance "Modern UI" the way it was out of the box until I drop it when I couldn't get to run some development software in college and none of my classmastes, we all went back to Windows 7 -well, I just deleted the partition where I had W8, never got rid of W7.
  10. coppersloane

    coppersloane TS Enthusiast Posts: 108   +33

    On the verge of depression? hahaha
  11. TS-56336

    TS-56336 TS Addict Posts: 609   +109

    I've got three words - fail, fail, fail. Microsoft was Bill Gates as Apple was Steve Jobs. Now watch Apple fail too.
  12. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,715   +856

    I think it's impossible to get an objective statement from Bill Gates when it comes to anything Microsoft. The worst thing he said was, "we should have jumped on the cell phone thing earlier." That's the extent of his "criticism." Otherwise, everything's hugs and roses.
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  13. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    Comments like yours always irk me.

    Yes, Windows 8 came with a little friend called Metro that everyone loves to hate on. But taking that away and giving you back your beloved Stat Button (which, as you said, you could get with a mod), then literally both Windows 8 and 7 would be indistinguishable.

    I'm not arguing the ethics of MS' decision to remove the Button, or telling you why should people get StartIsBack. That's another discussion.

    But when you say that when you "delve" into the OS it'll be a mess, I can't help but call BS.
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,994   +2,528

    They do indeed balance one another out, it's reminiscent of Laurel and Hardy, or George Burns and Gracie Allen. Should I go on? Thanks, I will.

    They make a cute couple. They complete one another. They share the spotlight..

    If Bill says, "I want to be a**hole today", Ballmer will reply, "go right ahead, I'll be your assistant, but don't forget, I get to be the a**hole tomorrow" ;)!


    Oops, looks like a glitch in the touch screen implementation..^:eek: ^!
  15. The hated Metro UI replaces far more elements of the classic Windows UI than just the Start Button Menu.

    Control panels, program settings, and even entire applications have begun being presented with the obnoxious Metro UI. The Metro UI is not an efficient use of desktop space when most of and/or your entire screen is taken over by it. The mixture of control schemes is also an unintuitive confusing mess for both novice and advanced users alike. This is a clear step back from the simple practicality and versatility of the classic Windows UI.

    Applying a mod to restore the Start Button Menu does nothing to remove the Metro UI from wherever else it may pop up.
  16. ArthurZ

    ArthurZ TS Rookie Posts: 79

    I think no matter what the OS is, it becomes more and more irrelevant as such.
    Where do you spend most of the time? Managing local files? Installing programs? Writing documents?
    You are on twitter, browsing, playing, authoring Excel/Text and for all that there is no need for the OS at all.
  17. ThanosPAS

    ThanosPAS TS Enthusiast Posts: 47   +12

    Why most of you are so judgemental? His company's contribution since early 90's in technology, is responsible enough, more than the most individual companies, for economic, scientfic and social growth - since almost everybody used and still uses theirs product. Pay some respect by not trashing him every once in a while there is something about Microsoft you don't like. If you 're right though, don't act like a child.
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  18. These tasks you do maybe at home, but windows is a typical corporate OS. People do CAD, programming, accounting, ERP, GIS, planning, and the myriads of unnamed small softwares for anything.
  19. ArthurZ

    ArthurZ TS Rookie Posts: 79

    All these services are already in the Cloud, and if something is not, can and should be easily put in there.
    OS, thus must become a SaaS - this way it is cheaper, no antivirus to run, no patching, no hardware issues.
    If corporations embraced outsourcing, moving to the Cloud is even more natural.
  20. mattfrompa

    mattfrompa TS Evangelist Posts: 553   +57

    you must looooove chromebooks...
  21. ArthurZ

    ArthurZ TS Rookie Posts: 79

    I have none at the moment, but they make a lot of sense naturally, they are also cheap and come with a keyboard + the possibility to accept most external media. I do not understand why the market reaction is so weak, is it just the hype to own an Apple product?
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,994   +2,528

    Well, you're cleared for take off, the sky's the limit, see ya....

    Should we sing....? "Off we go, into the wild blue yonder......" (Gosh, it feels like I just joined the Air Force).
  23. Lionvibez

    Lionvibez TS Evangelist Posts: 1,265   +436

    Lol I love when people mention the cloud which is just dumb down marketing term for storing your data online.

    When everyone has fibre to their homes it will become something I may considering.

    Until then I'm keeping all my data local thanks.
  24. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,994   +2,528

    Right on! Yeah, no "cloud" for me either! I keep my precious "fine art photography" on an offline computer.Those damned Chinese are never infecting it, or getting it, unless they pry it from my hot, wet, fapping, hands....

    (But, I always fear they'll try to trick me out of it by sending me a lissome young girl in a Chinese army uniform, offering to give me a free massage. Is that irrational)?.....;)
  25. peas

    peas TS Enthusiast Posts: 52

    Good riddance Micro$oft. Bill Gates is trying to re-make his image as a philanthropist. The guy is ruthless and evil.

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