Here's a PCGamer article with some of the racist (not just misunderstood, actually racist) comments made. http://www.pcgamer.com/how-terrence...tm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamer
Blizzard, Twitch plan to make changes after Hearthstone pro endures racist abuse during tournament
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cliffordcooley
Posts: 13,141 +6,441
My response wasn't toward the comments. My response was toward the fact the use of emotes was seen as a negative, when that may not have been their intended use.
I think I can safely say no one wants me getting involved in this topic. The fact that we are here is sickening, when it should have been a problem to begin with. My morals would never allow me to belittle anyone. If you ever see me degrading someone, it will be because I am joining them not belittling them.
Adhmuz
Posts: 2,342 +1,186
The problem is these individuals will never grow up and it's part of the problem but one you can't simply solve by trying to silence them, offensive behavior is going to around for a long time, if not forever, and the more you let it get to you the less it will make thing better. Simply telling these offensive players to grow up just fans their fire, we're you never taught to ignore bullies?
Funny thing is I stood up for the little guys in school and pushed those who called others names around to make them feel the way they we're making those who couldn't defends themselves feel, never would I seek this out, but I have a natural gift in dealing with BS it seems. I'm still like this today and it has on several instances almost led to bad times, it's harder to get away with things like that when your an adult and simply "knocking someone out" is not a solution either, but I still find myself standing up for my friends in the adult world with less violent means.
Online is a who different problem, you can't out intimidate these (insert a string of bad words here) with violence, they feel invincible to anything and everything and just get fired up at the notion, thus fueling their fires. Everyone needs to watch what they are saying, no argument there but in a place with no way to enforce such a statement due to the anonymity of the internet it's a moot point. You can block these people's account but they can make a new one, you can IP block them if you really want to be serious but now with VPNs they can still come back. If you have a solution that will work please share it with the community, I'm all ears, I'm all for it, racism and hateful slander is not a benefit to anyone.
Most of these types don't have employers or co-workers to worry about. They are living in their parents' basement and are unemployable due to lack of social skills.
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davislane1
I'll state it again, because you don't know what I am talking about.
Blizzard and Twitch are adjusting their troll policies. How is this news?
So doxxing is okay...so long as you dox the right people.
Adam Sessler, is that you?
A GM should be a normal character an sit in trade chat on servers like Area 52, Stormrage. Malganis, Dalaran the stuff that gets said on WOW is so horrible if I had a kid I would not let him play even with the language filter people
are mean an hateful. I wish something could be done shut those people down for a few days maybe that would help. An if you are a girl an they find out its even worse.
are mean an hateful. I wish something could be done shut those people down for a few days maybe that would help. An if you are a girl an they find out its even worse.
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So you're saying that we should all ignore people being the most basic, awful versions of humanity because it's all part of the game? That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. No one should ever stop trying to be better.
So you're saying that we should all ignore people being the most basic, awful versions of humanity because it's all part of the game? That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. No one should ever stop trying to be better.
This is easy to say when you're not on the receiving end of racist remarks huh?
It is so easy to spot privilege on these forums..
Darth Shiv
Posts: 2,371 +886
Personally it doesn't offend me. But really, there is a tonne of garbage on those twitch chat feeds. It's worthless, even if you are not offended, there is no need, no reason for ppl to spam racism or hate constantly on the channels. Kudos for looking to clean it up.
Adhmuz
Posts: 2,342 +1,186
Wow way to read between the lines... Not saying it's part of the game at all, just something no one can do anything about right now... Read my follow up which clarified this with other people who seem to not understand what I was saying the first time either. I'm saying there's nothing anyone can do to stop them. Again, no one has a solution, do you? And having a moderator constantly sitting in every chat room is a ridiculous proposition.
So, should we censor every venue where people communicate if it's possible for someone to be offended by what they are saying?
Let me also let you in on a little secret: the people in twitch saying offensive stuff are joking. It's how some mischievous young men like to have fun. They are not racist, and you busybodies need to get out of their space.
Let me also let you in on a little secret: the people in twitch saying offensive stuff are joking. It's how some mischievous young men like to have fun. They are not racist, and you busybodies need to get out of their space.
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davislane1
I've been on the receiving end of such remarks and was physically bullied as a kid.
Check your privilege and get back to me when you've grown a pair.
gingerbill
Posts: 250 +92
they already do that and it doesn't work for channels with large numbers of viewers. There were 7 moderators on that channel and then more tried to help . Words have been banned for a long time on some channels
misor
Posts: 1,427 +326
from my point of view, no. jokes are always made at the expense of something.
I don't event understand how a black man can say the N word without repercussion and when non-blacks say it, it is now 'racist/racism'.
I am even somewhat 'racist'. a large percentage of Filipinos (Philippines) call those who live in the provinces 'promdis' (literally, from the province) for 'lack of sophistication' that city dwellers have. we in turn called those who seemed beneath us 'taga bukid' (literally, from the mountains, which is close to 'hillbilly' of the west, if I am not mistaken)
Haha, I'm sure you have - but it's not about whether you've been bullied or not. It's about why. Were you beaten up because you were white? Unlikely. A lot of people have a tough time through school or growing up - myself included. Does that mean I expect people to suffer through racism? Of course not. I'm not an *****.
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davislane1
Please. I've been on the receiving end of that as well. I'm not "white."
If someone calls me a leprechaun, I feel nothing. If someone calls me a scrub, I feel nothing. If someone calls me a crook (I'm in the financial sector), I feel nothing. But if someone drops a racial epithet suddenly I'm supposed to feel hurt and suffering and demand justice?
What a crock.
People who can't handle basic trolls have no business leaving their parents' home. It's dangerous to go it alone.
You've got the attitude right, but the history wrong.
The slave owners wanted each slave to count as a whole person for the purpose of determining the number of representatives each state received (and therefore the number of electoral votes the state has during a presidential election as well). This would have the effect of multiplying the slave owner's vote by the number of slaves he owned, when it came to Federal matters. It would have been like each slave got to vote, but only as their master wished. They'd essentially be voting, by their master's proxy, to keep slavery legal and to keep themselves in bondage. That, quite obviously, is absurd.
The abolitionists (which were dominant in the north) wanted each slave to not count as a person at all, because they were not functioning citizens, and representatives in Congress most certainly did not represent the needs or desires of the slaves. If you're going to say that it's okay to own certain people because of some idea of how they are something less than human, don't turn around and say they're human when it comes to representation. It was a self-serving, cynical argument by the slaveowners to suggest such a thing; "slaves are subhuman so it's okay to own them, but when it comes to counting the number of humans in our state, let's count them, even though they can't vote."
The three-fifths compromise was really a win for the slave owners. The "good guys" in this, remember, wanted the slaves to count as zero fifths.
At no point did anyone say that a slave was three-fifths of a person.
You're also mistaken when you say that our current president would be three-fifths of a person. Our president is from Illinois, and that was a non-slave state. It was slaves that were subject to the three-fifths compromise, not all blacks. Free blacks in the South and North were fully counted.
Camikazi
Posts: 982 +339
Twitch is way beyond the nerd community, many teens and younger kids are watching it and they are the WORST when it comes to insults and racist stuff like that. If you played any console online shooter games with voice chat on you will find quickly that those high pitched, barely hit puberty voices are the ones who "****ed your mom" last night and who use every racist slur there is.
Someone8MyPosts
Posts: 464 +146
Maybe, but only because it was public and live. This kind of things goes on in just about every multi-player game I know.
Someone8MyPosts
Posts: 464 +146
Actually, take a look at DOTA 2...many of these same comments come from both teens, kids, and older people alike.
Sancticide
Posts: 44 +18
How about we just relegate them to their own space, where they can't bother normal, well-adjusted people who don't need to be dickbags every minute of every day because their parents didn't love them enough? A reputation system would let them carry on being awful people and we can play games and stuff without dealing with their BS. Seems like a win-win, though clearly it wouldn't work for things like Twitch streams.
These companies may soon find that people will only put up with this kind of abuse for so long before they go and do other things, meaning lost profits when people stop buying into online games. This is likely a strategy by hardcore troglodytes to weed out the often-maligned "casuals" -- in essence, abuse the people you think suck, until they quit playing out of frustration. The current culture is untenable in the long-term though. Hence why Blizzard and Twitch are working at thwarting ban-evaders. Of course, it could backfire and they ban all their highest-paying customers, but I don't think the math adds up there. Either way, they lose some customers.
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