Building PCs for video editing class and have a question

But the 1220 does not support hyperthreading and if I'm not mistaken it really helps with video editing. I am not set on a Xeon if everyone feels the i7 is better for video. I sometimes get an idea and no matter what anyone says I just don't listen. I am listening now and really appreciate all the ideas. You guys must enjoy doing this for people. Thanks.
 
ingeborgdot said:
But the 1220 does not support hyperthreading and if I'm not mistaken it really helps with video editing. I am not set on a Xeon if everyone feels the i7 is better for video. I sometimes get an idea and no matter what anyone says I just don't listen. I am listening now and really appreciate all the ideas. You guys must enjoy doing this for people. Thanks.
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I have fun doing this xD. Oh, yes! I forgot the 1230V3 had hyperthreading! I was under the impression the highest end E3 had hyperthreading only. Sorry about that. Get the Intel Xeon E3-1230V3 + ASRock Z87 Extreme4. The Extreme 4 is my new choice since the CPU support list states that the E3 is supported :). Happy PC building :D. Remember, dont install drivers from the disk.
 
You are confusing me about the CPU now though. Earlier you said you would not recommend the Xeon over the i7. Why are you recommending the E3 now? Remember, I said if you believe the i7 to work better I would go with that.
 
I think he more or less (you can correct me JC713 if im wrong :p) was saying don't get a Xeon because the support for them is a lot more exclusive in some ways (Even when fitting the socket and or chip set). The boards have to specifically say "Supports Xeon". Speaking of the Extreme 4 you listed, that has a bundle deal going with Haswell I7 4770k with a discount for the two together. I personally recommend that processor for the best performance with the new price range.
 
GhostRyder said:
I think he more or less (you can correct me JC713 if im wrong :p) was saying don't get a Xeon because the support for them is a lot more exclusive in some ways (Even when fitting the socket and or chip set). The boards have to specifically say "Supports Xeon". Speaking of the Extreme 4 you listed, that has a bundle deal going with Haswell I7 4770k with a discount for the two together. I personally recommend that processor for the best performance with the new price range.
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Well, the Xeon is a better buy in this situation. For $270 (E3-1230V3), you cannot get a i7. The E3 1230 comes with hyperthreading. The reason I told you about the E3 over the i7 is because I thought it was a better buy for the price range. I was hesitant since there are chipsets dedicated to the Xeon line that provide full compatibility for Xeon features (like ECC memory). If it is on the compatibility list, I would not worry though. ECC memory is nothing to go crazy over.
 
ingeborgdot said:
What will the V3 have over the V2 when it comes to the Xeon?
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Saves power really. I cant find any benchmarks since Haswell was just released. Newer is better though. Encoding performance was increased greatly with Haswell, and that is what Vegas and After Effects are reliant on.
 
Depends on the price really, the V3 Haswell will have a ~10% performance increase over V2 Ivy Bridge.

By the way the Xeon E3 1230 V3/V2 are much better buys than the 4770K/3770K. They're the same chip but without overclocking ability (which you don't need) or the Intel HD Graphics (which you also don't need).
 
So they are really the same chip? I also thought they were made to a higher standard?? So because they are a better buy, and because they are also cheaper, and because they are virtually the same chip it would be in my best interest to buy a Xeon, right?(y)
 
I found this also on a site.
The current line of Xeons are based on the same architecture as the i7. The difference is usually that the Xeons are the cream of the crop. They run cooler and at lower voltages and are spec'd for 24/7 continuous usage.
I guess this is what I am looking for because of no overclocking. Not going to be 24/7 but will be pretty solid for a good 6 hours a day for 180 days of the year.
 
ingeborgdot said:
So they are really the same chip? I also thought they were made to a higher standard?? So because they are a better buy, and because they are also cheaper, and because they are virtually the same chip it would be in my best interest to buy a Xeon, right?(y)
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Yeah, that is why you can get a hyper threaded E3-1230V3 for about $100 less. It isnt equivelant to a i7 4770k, but it is equivelant to a lower end i7 (at least I would think so) or are they different variations of hyper threaded E3s with lower clocked versions of the 4770k slh28? They are definitely picked with more standards since they are going toward the professional sector. I have read about people having overheating issues with their E3s, but it was mainly with Sandy Bridge. It will be worth it to invest in a Hyper 212 Evo to cool the CPU just incase.
 
The E3-1230 V2 and the i7 4770K are the same silicon and it's been that way for a few generations. Have a compare of the specs on Intel's website. There are some differences, most notably the i7 coming with an IGP, higher clock speed and unlocked multiplier although the Xeon also has some features which the i7 does not.

Not sure how Intel's cherry picking process works, but the Xeons are marketed towards people/companies who want rock solid 24/7 stability.
 
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The E3-1230 V2 and the i7 4770K are the same silicon and it's been that way for a few generations. Have a compare of the specs on Intel's website. There are some differences, most notably the i7 coming with an IGP, higher clock speed and unlocked multiplier although the Xeon also has some features which the i7 does not.

Not sure how Intel's cherry picking process works, but the Xeons are marketed towards people/companies who want rock solid 24/7 stability.
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Plus, when you see Xeon on your machine, it makes you feel classy ^_^ LOL.
 
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Not sure how Intel's cherry picking process works, but the Xeons are marketed towards people/companies who want rock solid 24/7 stability.
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Aye. Xeons are validated for max CPU usage 24/7 and accuracy. All Xeons are specced for ECC memory, and the silicon is runtime/stress validated for high load/high temp to ensure that heat generation doesn't impede data bus (QPI, DMI) signal flow or CPU internal integrity. 2P and 4P Xeons also have a degree of failover protection if a CPU keels over. There would also be further binning for TDP, core consistency/integrity etc. to differentiate between Xeon and desktop.
EDIT: and of course Xeon's are multiplier locked past their max turbo.

Basically, desktop Core i7 can be considered salvage parts.
 
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Xeons are good, since you have the budget for it, id say go for it, you will have some rock solid machines built to handle extreme stress. Honestly though, either choice the 4770k or the E3-1230 will be good choices, just be careful when selecting parts with the Xeon because the Xeons tend to have picky specs in some regards.
 
I am going with the Corsair 200R case but I have just run into a snag. Most of the usb 3.0 card readers are 3.5. Is there an adapter for this? Thanks.
 
GhostRyder said:
Xeons are good, since you have the budget for it, id say go for it, you will have some rock solid machines built to handle extreme stress. Honestly though, either choice the 4770k or the E3-1230 will be good choices, just be careful when selecting parts with the Xeon because the Xeons tend to have picky specs in some regards.
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Well, ECC memory is really the only "picky" spec. It isnt even necessary. The Asrock officially supports it according to their compatibility list, so I would trust that.
 
I am terrible about making myself clear sometimes. I am needing to put a 3.5 card reader into the 5.25 bay on the big 3. I am needing a drive bay bracket which I just found on newegg by bytecc.
 
JC713
I mostly meant when I said "Picky" that some boards say "Supports xeons" and others don't along with like you said some supporting ECC ram and what not. Its just a little bit harder than picking up an I7 because there are a few more variables :p
 
ingeborgdot said:
I am terrible about making myself clear sometimes. I am needing to put a 3.5 card reader into the 5.25 bay on the big 3. I am needing a drive bay bracket which I just found on newegg by bytecc.
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There's loads of cheap 5.25 to 3.5in converters for your card reader, it shouldn't be a problem.
 
Yep, I just had never looked for one before and found one by bytecc that actually gives a discount for quantity instead of only letting me buy 5 like newegg has been doing on a bunch of my stuff.
 
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