Megalomaniac
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No 3D Printers were used in the filming of "In the Line of Fire".
California passes bill requiring gun-blocking software in 3D printers
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Megalomaniac
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I am a NYS resident.
I am a legal handgun/ AR rifle owner.
I bought mine before the law changes and bans so I got grandfathered in.
Ironically, being able to 3D print a gun is the exact freedom the constitution guaranteed us. The ability to defend ourselves from government tyranny. Nothing about hunting. Nothing about sport shooting. The constitution was talking about police and FEDS.
That said: call me a communist or stateist but I don't want people running around with "ghost guns" .
But when you try to ban guns based solely on the possibility that they can be modified to be machine guns you're crossing a slippery slope that threatens all guns.
I'm not giving up any of my firearms. My safety is not up for debate.
I am a legal handgun/ AR rifle owner.
I bought mine before the law changes and bans so I got grandfathered in.
Ironically, being able to 3D print a gun is the exact freedom the constitution guaranteed us. The ability to defend ourselves from government tyranny. Nothing about hunting. Nothing about sport shooting. The constitution was talking about police and FEDS.
That said: call me a communist or stateist but I don't want people running around with "ghost guns" .
But when you try to ban guns based solely on the possibility that they can be modified to be machine guns you're crossing a slippery slope that threatens all guns.
I'm not giving up any of my firearms. My safety is not up for debate.
Megalomaniac
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I have an Ultimaker 3D Printer. I would rather just buy a professionally made firearm than risk a plastic ghost gun exploding in my hands. The real question is what will happen when technology gets better and suppressors are easier to make.
Megalomaniac
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Megalomaniac
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Endymio
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Once again, you've embarrassed yourself by not reading your links:Fun Fact: Japan does not outright ban guns.
"...Japan doesn’t impose an outright ban on every type of firearm, but it comes remarkably close. Civilian gun ownership is limited to shotguns and air rifles, available only for hunting or sport shooting, and only after clearing one of the most demanding licensing processes in the world...."
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We've also seen large companies leaving California and other Blue states like NY and IL for red states like, Idaho, FL and TX. Besides the impossible-to-ignore high-profile departures like Tesla, there are countless other smaller businesses and individuals making these moves that don't get reported by the mainstream media (it doesn't fit the narrative).
He's not wrong. If you took the time to review your reference you would have realized that suicide does not fall under the definition of homicide in this publication. Not all homicides are suicides but suicides are definitely homicides in the US. As you can see here with just going back a few years the revised numbers of suicides is indeed increasing.
Intentional self-harm (suicide) deaths, 2024
Statistics on intentional self-harm (suicide) deaths sourced from causes of death registrations and coronial information
www.abs.gov.au
Alpine7995
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The anti-circumvention provision is the part that should concern everyone regardless of where you stand on guns. Marlin and Klipper are open-source firmware projects used by hundreds of thousands of hobbyists for completely legal printing — cosplay props, replacement parts, prototypes, medical devices. Making it a misdemeanor to run custom firmware on your own hardware because it might lack state-approved surveillance software is a genuinely significant precedent. The printer doesn't know what you're making. Neither does the firmware.
There's a substantial difference between a program that can detect paper money, which images of already exist and which there are finite denominations, and a program that can determine whether or not something you or countless other people have designed themselves is a component to a firearm.
bclaymiles
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That's only "true" by massaging the definition of "mass shooting", and by including gang violence which is almost entirely criminal-on-criminal. Some could argue that violent criminals killing other violent criminals is a net positive for society. That's a tenable argument for the most part, except for innocent people who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Anyone with half a brain knows that "mass shootings" are _real_ mass shootings when they make national news, and the number of those is a tiny fraction of the 365 days in a year.
But - either way, mass shootings are black swan events, and focus on them only distracts from day to day criminal violence that cost an order of magnitude more lives.
2025's numbers - not yet finalized - suggest homicide rates the lowest since records began being kept - going back to 1900. Huh.
Murder and homicide are sociological and criminalogical problems, that aren't addressed by *****ic window dressing like banning 3d printers that can print "untraceable" gun parts. Fun fact: of all firearms traced by BATF that are used in criminal violence, only a tiny fraction are traceable to the perpetrator(s) - and 99% of them are not 3d printed guns.
This is offensive political theater. Wave your hands like mad to distract people from the things that _actually_ can reduce violent crime.
I can't even blame this one on too much coffee. Gun control has never saved a single innocent life.
bclaymiles
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None of those cause criminal violence.
bclaymiles
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Another fun fact bolstering this argument: In Mexico, guns aren't 'outright' banned for civilians either. Except that...there's only two, military run, "gun stores" in all of Mexico. And getting approved to buy one is exceedingly difficult.
So, it's a nearly gun and violence free paradise...right? right?
The Sinaloa Cartel and the Jalisco New Generation Cartel would like a word.
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I mean to a degree this has been done, for well over a decade scanners/copiers won't let you copy and print currency at 100% scale and double sided in color. It either has to be black and white, smaller or larger by like 25%, or single sided. Even software like Photoshop will not let you do it. The precedent exists, it's the "how" I'm interested in. Like I can break a gun down to pieces that are not gun like in any fashion and print them separately and it would be impossible for an algorithm to detect.
Even better, what distinguishes guns (as firearms) from paintball, ASG, NERF or water guns is fairly small detail. While looking at something you can tell if it looks like a gun but you can't tell if it is actually a functional gun or something else. If someone thinks that anything looking like a gun should be forbidden while anything not looking like a gun (but being a functional part of real firearm), it will not only not serve it's purpose, it will do more harm. It is purely *****ic law and any kind of government should be held accountable for specifying the exact workings of said technology if they will require it. Otherwise it sounds like "car makers should implement anti-crash technology" thinking that all problems will go away.
In case of copying money, it clearly is not a functional currency, it lacks any of the security measures, so the law only prevents making quite accurate replicas of the bill. Something that someone may mistake for a legitimate bill but at the same time it will be obvious it is not if you just look closely.
With firearms it's different. It is not illegal to manufacture replicas of real weapons, you can make something that looks and feels like a real gun. It's great for making props or making fun variants for ASG, paintball or just for kids to play with. The distinguishing part must be something that clearly makes firearm a firearm while also being specific to firearms only. In other words, you should not be able to print parts that can't be bought legally without a license. It also has to be specific, if you can buy something in hardware store, it doesn't count even if it can be used to make a weapon.
I suspect that there's really no such thing. You can make a firearm out of bunch of basic parts from hardware store, so if you can buy it, you should be allowed to print it. After all, if they were not able to prevent production of improvised firearms, then how on earth they want to do it now? It's naive.
My post was highlighting your incorrect point concerning Australian homicide rates after the gun restrictions.But still higher than they were in the 1950s, when guns of any and all types were freely available to all Australians without restriction:
You stated "every nation that has banned guns has seen an increase in the violent crime and homicide rates afterwards ... even places like the UK and Australia". The key word here is afterwards.
The Australian gun buy back scheme started in mid 1996 and ran to late 1997. Homicide rates did not increase after this, they declined, counter to your original point.
As to whether homicide rates today are still higher that what they were in the 1950s is entirely irrelevant to your original comments. The term "shifting goal-posts" springs to mind.
Endymio
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No. the 5 years afterwards had a higher average murder rate than the 5 years before. The only reason I used the rate from the 1950s was in counter to your reference to long-term trends, rather than the period immediately after the gun confiscations.
From the Australian Bureau of Statistics - "Homicide, for this statistical classification, covers unlawfully killing, attempting to kill, or conspiracy to kill another person. Legal definitions of homicide may exclude attempted and unintentional acts." Given that we're discussing the homicide rate in Australia, it's important to make the distinction that suicide rates are not included, therefore you are really just enforcing my point that the homicide rates are in decline.He's not wrong. If you took the time to review your reference you would have realized that suicide does not fall under the definition of homicide in this publication. Not all homicides are suicides but suicides are definitely homicides in the US. As you can see here with just going back a few years the revised numbers of suicides is indeed increasing.
Intentional self-harm (suicide) deaths, 2024
Statistics on intentional self-harm (suicide) deaths sourced from causes of death registrations and coronial information
The data you've presented in your link doesn't indicate a rising suicide rate, in fact it seems to be pretty consistent over the last 10 years.
What it does show though, it that you're over ten times more likely to take your own life that be a victim of a homicide in Australia.
bclaymiles
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So I've never owned a 3d printer, don't really have much use for it I think, but, it seems now might be the time to acquire one. any recommendations on a quality device, reasonably priced, fully open-source, that I can buy to flip the bird at our craven representatives?
The only single way this can work is with a database of parts files like how virus detection software works. You can only stop circulated files known to be an assembly for a weapon.
Any other circumstance is nothing but a waste of resources. Any 3D printer operator can just make new files to make their own gun and there is no detection that work other than barrel rifling that can suggest a part is weapons based. 3D printing is a craft for engineers guess what they like to do as a hobby if not a living? Construct a solution to a problem. This is a nearly 90% impossible task thats just putting people down at their own expense.
Any other circumstance is nothing but a waste of resources. Any 3D printer operator can just make new files to make their own gun and there is no detection that work other than barrel rifling that can suggest a part is weapons based. 3D printing is a craft for engineers guess what they like to do as a hobby if not a living? Construct a solution to a problem. This is a nearly 90% impossible task thats just putting people down at their own expense.
I find these people disgusting. Not for making it harder and harder for lawful people to own guns but because the real "problem" that owns a range of long banned guns and every modification for those.
Oh no, those... well they do not exist. If we do not talk about them, if we do not watch videos with them showcasing their glocks with 30 bullet magazines that can fire continuously, it is all fine.
Now, let's find another way to deter a good person from owning the simplest gun with a tiny magazine.
They are disgusting. I could accept what they do if they chased those who hurt others with illegal guns.
I could justify gun laws that are getting stricter every year. But they do not care about those people.
They could not give a damn if they killed 500 1000 0r 10000 people. They hate freedom and independence above all else. Every dictator, when he came to power, stripped the people of all guns.
Tyrants hate free people. These ones want to be tyrants, but they are a lo smarter. Instead of simply taking the guns from the people, they want to do it slowly. The best frog is the frog that is boiled slowly.
Oh no, those... well they do not exist. If we do not talk about them, if we do not watch videos with them showcasing their glocks with 30 bullet magazines that can fire continuously, it is all fine.
Now, let's find another way to deter a good person from owning the simplest gun with a tiny magazine.
They are disgusting. I could accept what they do if they chased those who hurt others with illegal guns.
I could justify gun laws that are getting stricter every year. But they do not care about those people.
They could not give a damn if they killed 500 1000 0r 10000 people. They hate freedom and independence above all else. Every dictator, when he came to power, stripped the people of all guns.
Tyrants hate free people. These ones want to be tyrants, but they are a lo smarter. Instead of simply taking the guns from the people, they want to do it slowly. The best frog is the frog that is boiled slowly.
Absolute Crap! Its not about "Ghost Guns" it's a war against manufacturing and the ability to produce for yourself. The laws passed including New York State anything that uses digital assets to add or subtract are subject to this law.
Tell me just how you can print a Gun with a 3D Resin Printer or MDF laser?
Once it's locked in they will abuse it! Your going to need permission to use your drill and circular saw next
Absolutely ridiculous!
Tell me just how you can print a Gun with a 3D Resin Printer or MDF laser?
Once it's locked in they will abuse it! Your going to need permission to use your drill and circular saw next
Absolutely ridiculous!
Sure it gets reported. And you’re not wrong about that exodus. But when looking at the math, it’s just a macroeconomic paper shuffle.
California represents the world's 5th largest economy all by itself. Between 2011 and 2021, only 1.9% of California's corporate headquarters left the state representing a microscopic 0.4% of the total State workforce. And moving headquarters doesn’t mean leaving the State market—they still sell products within the State—it’s a tax issue not a market issue.
Sure it has a small impact, but directly on State tax revenue, not the market force of the State economy. Companies will continue to comply with California laws—and pass those ecosystem lockdowns down to the rest of the country—because compliance remains vastly cheaper than market abandonment.
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