CD and vinyl sales are surging as frustration with digital media keeps growing

[magisys]

Again no because they don’t need to they can just disable them remotely as I’ve described to you.

Mate even offline disc players need updating as when new disc come out they need the newer software for verification and requires the player to be updated.

Being ignorant isn’t an excuse.

The disc players that needed updates was mainly for BD with live functions, updates were hardly needed to play a movie. HDCP specs was frozen for years till 4K BD was a thing, before that and till now how many discs were remotely blocked retroactively and became a piece of plastic waste?

We have some kind of evidence that there are movies or music on physical support that no longer be played because some kind of player has been "updated" to block those specific disks?

Even in the case that a discs became not-readable to any of the world disc players, that support still contain the data that can be extracted by the physical owner of the disc. It's illegal to bypass CP on that disc? Yes or no, the real question is, who cares? Is there any individual being persecuted to have bypassed a owned disc protection system to copy that content for himself?

 

[acrossthestars]

Licensing hasn’t changed. You don’t own the CDs either and in a few places it’s illegal to rip them

You mean "you don't own the music on the CDs". You absolutely own the disc.

Putting aside the legality of ripping discs, it would actually be unthinkable for police to come into your house and take your CD collection, because the record label's contracts for those tracks' licenses expired. The license is tied to the disc, at the time it was printed. It is permanent.

License expirations are not retroactive. Commerical discs do not suddenly become pirated media, just because a contract somewhere was not renewed. If that were the case, the only time you could legally hear or view any piece of media is whenever it is played by a studio on the radio or if it is in theaters. The license would be granted and revoked as the song or movie is played. For obvious technical and legal reasons, licensing doesn't work like that.

 

[Mafarrico]

They can just disable them remotely?

No the publisher did

No you don’t seem to know how technology works? For example blue rays all have certain keys and players require updating to refresh those key lists. If a publisher wanted to they could list a titles keys as revoked and the player wouldn’t play the disc

They cannot disable cd players, turntable, VHS players, bluray players, minidisc players, walkman players, etc, remotely

 

[LordVile95]

You mean "you don't own the music on the CDs". You absolutely own the disc.

Putting aside the legality of ripping discs, it would actually be unthinkable for police to come into your house and take your CD collection, because the record label's contracts for those tracks' licenses expired. The license is tied to the disc, at the time it was printed. It is permanent.

License expirations are not retroactive. Commerical discs do not suddenly become pirated media, just because a contract somewhere was not renewed. If that were the case, the only time you could legally hear or view any piece of media is whenever it is played by a studio on the radio or if it is in theaters. The license would be granted and revoked as the song or movie is played. For obvious technical and legal reasons, licensing doesn't work like that.

Again it depends on the licence. If for example you had a years access to idk solidworks back in the day that went off the system clock and you just had the clock read the same date to keep the software accessible is that piracy?

 

[Taroo]

No matter how licensing works, or how do publishers want it to work.

What we need is something to be able to listen, watch or play what we paid for at any time, how many times, for how long we want.

I don't care if some lawyer suddenly says that playing Titanfall 2 on my PS4 has become illegal.
I can start the console, insert the disc and play, no matter what.
Even if it was declared illegal, guess what ? I plan to do it anyway. I bought it, they got my money, I got the game, and I will enjoy it as long as I mean to.

 

[RudyBob]

I'm not a streamer, I don't make playlists(huge waste of time). I don't like every song on my records or CD's. But I do enjoy music. Records and CD's are too expensive and what are you going to buy? Taylor Swift?

 

[Infernus]

You can also torrent what you want you don't have to spend money and you will own it Or torrent music in FLAC buy printable CDs if you have a printer that can print on disc, and you can own your own CD.

 

[DrSuess]

You can also torrent what you want you don't have to spend money and you will own it Or torrent music in FLAC buy printable CDs if you have a printer that can print on disc, and you can own your own CD.

That is fine if that is what you want to do, as someone that has patents and copyrights to my name I know the amount of work I put into creating something no one else has. So I wouldn't ever pirate anything, the people that created it should get paid for their efforts.

 

[LordVile95]

No matter how licensing works, or how do publishers want it to work.

What we need is something to be able to listen, watch or play what we paid for at any time, how many times, for how long we want.

I don't care if some lawyer suddenly says that playing Titanfall 2 on my PS4 has become illegal.
I can start the console, insert the disc and play, no matter what.
Even if it was declared illegal, guess what ? I plan to do it anyway. I bought it, they got my money, I got the game, and I will enjoy it as long as I mean to.

Unless you want to play it online in which case you’ll need the update that bricks it

 

[wiyosaya]

They can just disable them remotely?

You must be a visitor from another planet. The answer is no, they can't.

No you don’t seem to know how technology works? For example blue rays all have certain keys and players require updating to refresh those key lists. If a publisher wanted to they could list a titles keys as revoked and the player wouldn’t play the disc

Typically, firmware updates may add features to players to support new features on new discs, however,there are no updates does that include "keys" to decode the disc. I have recent blu-ray discs play on a player that is at least 10-years old, and there are no firmware updates for my player.

 

[Metalex]

I really have to wonder who these people who buy CDs are. I can understand vinyl for its analogue quality, but CDs are only digital, and at 16-bit. It's possible to buy 24-bit lossless digital music for download, and even AAC-compressed music from iTunes can offer higher quality than a CD. So I see no practical reason to buy CDs. They neither offer better quality nor better ownership than DRM-free music downloads.

CDs might be “only digital”, whatever that means, but 16-bit/44.1kHz can reproduce an analog waveform perfectly.

Furthermore, 24-bit is pointless in the playback realm and offers zero benefit for fidelity. CD is lossless, and throwing more bits or kHz at digital audio is not going to make it any more lossless to a human ear.

There is nothing wrong with a 256kbps AAC file (most of my iTunes CD rips are at that bitrate), but to say it can offer higher quality than CD is puzzling. AAC has no technical benefits over CD or any other lossless digital audio format, other than storage savings.

 

[ActualViking]

I really have to wonder who these people who buy CDs are. I can understand vinyl for its analogue quality, but CDs are only digital, and at 16-bit. It's possible to buy 24-bit lossless digital music for download, and even AAC-compressed music from iTunes can offer higher quality than a CD. So I see no practical reason to buy CDs. They neither offer better quality nor better ownership than DRM-free music downloads.

I can only speak for my self, but I buy CD's. When I do I then rip them and put the files on my personal music server (of course using a lossless file format). I guess that instead I could hunt down the files and just buy those, maybe even find them at a higher resolution format only there is lots of question on what is really higher resolution and not just "upscaled".

Buying the physical CD's does give me a cover+notes and more and the actual physical CD is a nice backup - only downside is they do take up space. The space thing is also a challenge with the vinyl I collect, however the upside is much larger. Only I must admit much of the time when playing music, then it is not my main focus so convenience wins over nursing vinyl.

 

[Infernus]

No matter how licensing works, or how do publishers want it to work.

What we need is something to be able to listen, watch or play what we paid for at any time, how many times, for how long we want.

I don't care if some lawyer suddenly says that playing Titanfall 2 on my PS4 has become illegal.
I can start the console, insert the disc and play, no matter what.
Even if it was declared illegal, guess what ? I plan to do it anyway. I bought it, they got my money, I got the game, and I will enjoy it as long as I mean to.

I don't care about copyright or the DMCA at all, if buying isn't owning piracy isn't stealing. I been torrenting for over 20yrs games, music, TV etc. What I have will never be taken away. Now what would change that is that we need a irrevocable license on all digital media we buy. Once it's bought we can download it to our drives. The media can be pulled from being sold fine but it will never be taken away once we have it. No change well I will never stop pirating

 

[acrossthestars]

Again it depends on the licence. If for example you had a years access to idk solidworks back in the day that went off the system clock and you just had the clock read the same date to keep the software accessible is that piracy?

Technically-speaking, probably not. If the system clock is set, such that the timeout period never occurs, that is not piracy; that would be a loophole in the contract. It's using the license in "bad faith", but I doubt any company would sue over that.

Especially now, most commerical software that operates on a yearly subscription calls home every time it gets used, to ensure the license is complaint. This loophole would only work for products with a year license agreement that also does not check with a server if a year has actually lapsed. If you somehow managed to make it work regardless, at best nothing would happen and at worst, they'd probably terminate your access to the product.