Discord bans harmful Covid-19 misinformation on its platform

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Dimitriid

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The lab origin theory was widely censored, then 18 months later the powers that be finally said, "It could have come from a lab. We don't know". We're now 2+ years into this, and there has been no official progress on the origin of the virus, other than the "wet market" story being abandoned because it was bullshit.

Discussion, debate, and research lead to solutions. Suddenly with COVID, debate is verboten and any discussion or research that questions the "current medical consensus" is silenced.
You're confusing "is silenced" with "has no scientific backing and henceforth no merit"

If you want to question science there is only one way to do so: more science. No serious scientist would ever question your attempts to disprove a hypothesis as long as you're clear about your methodology. They might point out flaws in your method but will do so with actual merit a.k.a. actual proof and evidence with subsequent studies and research.

You going around saying "I am being silenced!" doesn't gives you an iota of authority on a subject you know nothing about, this isn't how medicine works: You need studies, you need research and you need peer review.

Nobody has questioned the ways in which the western nations ignored scientific recommendations because they were more concerned about economical issues than the actual science but if anything, those arguments would call for far more severe, widespread and longer lasting restrictions like constant testing, contact tracing, revamping almost 100% of HVAC systems to do proper filtration and much longer lasting quarantines with even bigger economic incentives for people to stay home as much as possible to finally recover and yes, even much more widespread vaccination campaigns too.
 
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Evernessince

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Nobody here is talking about starting panics. Reasonable and rational discussion should be encouraged, but that is not what we have seen for the most part. Instead what we see is any and all views, that are even the slightest bit contrary to the popular narrative are getting shut down, even when they are later proven to be valid. An example would be the effectiveness of remdesivir. Discussion on that were shutdown by Facebook post-haste, but now it is an FDA approved treatment for covid.

That's really cherry-picking. Random people were proposing dozens of unapproved self applied covid treatments. Just because they threw crap at the wall and one happened to stick doesn't mean they should allow all alternative treatment posts to go unchecked, especially when people's lives are at stake. Mind you context matters as well. The fact remains that there was no data at the time regarding Remdesivir's effectiveness and that alone means caution should be taken. No medical professional could in good conscious recommend a treatment that is unproven for the task. Just because there's more data now doesn't change the fact that there wasn't back then, you aren't considering the time element of the equation.

As a staff member of TechSpot you are expected to maintain a neutral stance and I do not believe you are doing so here in the comments. I stopped reading TechSpot a a few years back and nothing has changed here clearly. Same adversarial characters saying the exact same things, I'm glad I left and I will stay gone.
 

paul1122

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How do you suppose private platforms like Discord would go about combating the massive campaigns of political misinformation that are intentionally disseminated by right wing pundits under the ridiculously wide appeals to "Free Speech"?

Yelling "FIRE!" on a movie theater just shouldn't be allowed just because 20 minutes later there was an electrical short near the carpet and the movie theater really caught on fire: it was impossible for someone to predict that and their intention wasn't to be overly cautious it was just being irresponsible and trying to intentionally cause a panic.

Sorry but since there is absolutely no way to stop intentional spread of misinformation private companies have no other recourse but to just stick to widely accepted, responsible course of actions that at least have some form of consensus as to their reasoning and effectiveness even if they later turn out to be not entirely correct, to do otherwise is just saying "You should be allowed to start panics on our platforms because there is no scientific certainty yet"

Hippy mantra. Except the left is the man now, lol.
 

Squid Surprise

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That's really cherry-picking. Random people were proposing dozens of unapproved self applied covid treatments. Just because they threw crap at the wall and one happened to stick doesn't mean they should allow all alternative treatment posts to go unchecked, especially when people's lives are at stake. Mind you context matters as well. The fact remains that there was no data at the time regarding Remdesivir's effectiveness and that alone means caution should be taken. No medical professional could in good conscious recommend a treatment that is unproven for the task. Just because there's more data now doesn't change the fact that there wasn't back then, you aren't considering the time element of the equation.

As a staff member of TechSpot you are expected to maintain a neutral stance and I do not believe you are doing so here in the comments. I stopped reading TechSpot a a few years back and nothing has changed here clearly. Same adversarial characters saying the exact same things, I'm glad I left and I will stay gone.
You didn't stay gone - you know you want to stay!! YIELD TO THE INEVITABLE!!
 

Neatfeatguy

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This is directly from the NIH, the agency that Facui's wife works for. Every test has proven its effectiveness. And this is just one positive endorsement. There is not and has never been a shortage of Ivermectin. How about you stop spreading COVID disinformation, or do we need to report you?


It's hard to get people to think for themselves in the past 10 years. They put too much trust in social media, big corporations that run them and big pharmacy companies.

None of those things have your well being at heart. They are designed to do one thing and one thing only, make money. If they're losing, they stack the odds in their favor by whatever means necessary.

Social media/big corps: label stuff as misinformation, spin data to benefit their end goal (making money).
Big pharms: hide critical information, post erroneous information that benefits their end goal (making money).

You can't talk with these people because they're so hardwired to believe the BS that is put in their face that they actually think even asking questions is wrong.

You're just wasting your time. Sadly, it's a losing battle and I don't feel one iota sorrow for these people or the human population at this rate....so many stupid running the world, there's not chance to recover from it.
 

TheBigFatClown

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I see the poster boy for getting jabbed everytime Lord Faucci screams "FIRE" is still hard working at his post! *face palm*.

Viruses will mutate ad infinitum, this is science. And the fun part is we get to hear about it 24/7/365 days a year now so that vaccine manufacturers can go from billionaire to trillionaire status.

A healthy human immune system will develop natural immunity faster than they can ever produce a ridiculous vaccine that offer some pitiful temporary form of protection. But hey, we can't tell people that because, it hurts the bottom line you know.

It's okay for the government to scare people into rushing out and getting a vaccine everytime they declare a pandemic. But citizens? "You go to prison! We can yell fire all we want! You can't! How you like communist life? Hehehe. Don't worry, you get used to it. We tell you what to believe so you don't have to think for yourself anymore."

Oh btw, the definition of a pandemic was modified by the World Health Organaization in 2009 so that by the new definition we get to have more pandemics because we spend all day worrying about viruses "spreading" versus people actually, you know, dying! Oh what fun!
 
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Squid Surprise

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Misinformation such as the Vaccine is safe despite over 1.5 million adverse reactions and continuing heart problems.
Really? Please provide some EVIDENCE for the vaccine being more dangerous than Covid... 1.5 million adverse reactions - the overwhleming majority are "sore arm".... you do realize that hundreds of millions of vaccinations have occurred... and while MILLIONS have DIED of Covid... the deaths due to vaccines are rarer than shark attacks...
 

Squid Surprise

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You do realize that the world death rate did not change a faction of a single fraction of a point during this supposed pandemic right?
It did though.... it had been decreasing steadily until 2019... then it started to climb... If you're going to rant, at least get some facts straight...


Nice try on moving the goalposts... now can you provide some evidence for your previous lie?
 

Theinsanegamer

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Well, since discord is moderating what is allowed to be published on their platform, they should be giving up section 230a protections, since they are acting as a publisher, and should be held liable for what is posted on their platform, including but not limited to all the porn, child grooming, scams, malware, and IP theft that regularly occurs.
Do you honestly, really think the people talking about putting microchips on the vaccines and taking that rhetoric to its logical end blocking all traffic through Ontario really aren't panicking?

People like you trying to play scientist trying to say "Why shouldn't we try remdesivir" open the door for people that follow your exact same logic and end up taking horse dewormer or drinking bleach.

Functionally and morally, there is no difference between uneducated people like you trying to cloak under this centrist arguments of "Gotta listen to all sides of the debate!" and people using the same default to override scientific consensus, which by the way it's in the name, consensus so no we shouldn't have approved remdesivir before a consensus was formed once proper evidence and studies were sufficient.

Discussions about science done by non-scientists and non-experts on the field should be shut down because you are literally seeing the results of anti-science thinking in real time.
Do you really think that only people who think vaccines give you 5g were getting shut down? Do you think that opposing overreaching government mandates is the same as believing in vaccine chips?

Stop painting everything tot he right of Stalin with a broad brush. People discussing alternative treatments, vaccine effectiveness, mask effectiveness, side effects, ece were ALL silenced for opposing "the narrative". Stop using the broad overreach of technocrats to advance your internal narrative of all conservatives being alex jones tier conspiracy theorists any anyone opposed to government overreach being conservative in the first place.
 

Ultraman1966

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This is directly from the NIH, the agency that Facui's wife works for. Every test has proven its effectiveness. And this is just one positive endorsement. There is not and has never been a shortage of Ivermectin. How about you stop spreading COVID disinformation, or do we need to report you?

Nice cherry picking. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8838458/

"The clinical efficacy of ivermectin has become highly controversial; one meta-study showed a reduction of the risk of death in COVID-19 patients, especially for avoiding the progression of the disease towards the more severe stages [55] but several problems with the data and the methodology have been pointed out by other authors [56] and another meta-study concluded that the evidence available that can be considered reliable does not support the use of ivermectin for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of randomized trials [57]. This is also the recommendation of the World Health Organization and of regulatory agencies such as FDA and EMA."

So I assume from your posts that you work in medical research? What is your specialty?
 

Ultraman1966

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It's hard to get people to think for themselves in the past 10 years. They put too much trust in social media, big corporations that run them and big pharmacy companies.

None of those things have your well being at heart. They are designed to do one thing and one thing only, make money. If they're losing, they stack the odds in their favor by whatever means necessary.

Social media/big corps: label stuff as misinformation, spin data to benefit their end goal (making money).
Big pharms: hide critical information, post erroneous information that benefits their end goal (making money).

You can't talk with these people because they're so hardwired to believe the BS that is put in their face that they actually think even asking questions is wrong.

You're just wasting your time. Sadly, it's a losing battle and I don't feel one iota sorrow for these people or the human population at this rate....so many stupid running the world, there's not chance to recover from it.
I work for a medical research charity. We are non-profit and I work alongside people much smarter than I who are not driven by shareholder demands. Why would we hide information from the general population if we think big pharma is lying? Do you even understand how the science community works? Labs around the world literally work hard to test the conclusions of others to see if they are correct or misleading.
Maybe you should get at least an undergrad degree and work in our industry before making general sweeping statements. It's not like as if we are working hard to treat your cancers, infections and other ailments...
 

scavengerspc

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Misinformation such as the Vaccine is safe despite over 1.5 million adverse reactions and continuing heart problems.

According to???????
Proof is our friend.......And your weak point.

Fox Noise and Git 'Er Done University doesn't count.
And no Alien satellites!

And I think you should know (but don't) that the vast majority of heart problems are continuing complications from getting the virus. If you are referring to inflammation that can occur post vaccine, people recover quickly and no deaths.
 
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scavengerspc

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When vaccine makers are not immune to any and all wrong doing then I will start to believe they actually want to do good, but until them its all for money.

https://www.findlaw.com/healthcare/patient-rights/can-I-sue-vaccine-manufacturers-.html
People like you would never dare post the 350 years of breakthroughs that have saved millions and eased the suffering of just as many. Sickening.

Why would you want to sue a company that is making so much money, but doing it by trying to help?
 

bandit8623

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People like you would never dare post the 350 years of breakthroughs that have saved millions and eased the suffering of just as many. Sickening.

Why would you want to sue a company that is making so much money, but doing it by trying to help?
dumb logic. they dont have to follow the same rules as everyone else. they can do good while following the same rules. you are an enabler. I never said vaccines didnt help. but they also have hurt many many people. follow the money. many studies that so called prove vaccines have never been harmful are funded by vaccine makers...

follow the science now means who has the most money to push their studies. which in this case is big pharma. they also have lobbied our gov officials bigtime.
 

Squid Surprise

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dumb logic. they dont have to follow the same rules as everyone else. they can do good while following the same rules. you are an enabler. I never said vaccines didnt help. but they also have hurt many many people. follow the money. many studies that so called prove vaccines have never been harmful are funded by vaccine makers...

follow the science now means who has the most money to push their studies. which in this case is big pharma. they also have lobbied our gov officials bigtime.
How many people have they "hurt"? Show some evidence... Is it even a small fraction of those it has helped?

Follow the LOGIC...
 

Ultraman1966

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When vaccine makers are not immune to any and all wrong doing then I will start to believe they actually want to do good, but until then its all for money.

https://www.findlaw.com/healthcare/patient-rights/can-I-sue-vaccine-manufacturers-.html
Let me ask you this, in exceptional times, do we not suspend or make exceptions in laws and constitutions to allow for speedy action? Covid-19 was unprecedented. It nearly collapsed healthcare services across the globe. What would you have done instead? You seem to have a sound understanding of economics and medical research, I would expect at least a white paper?
 

bandit8623

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How many people have they "hurt"? Show some evidence... Is it even a small fraction of those it has helped?

Follow the LOGIC...
when I personally know 4 people that were hospitalized from the vaccine... I know 1 person that was hospitalized from covid.


if you go to the doctor from a symtom that the vaccine caused its not auto reported to vaers. you have to fill out the form.
 

Squid Surprise

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when I personally know 4 people that were hospitalized from the vaccine... I know 1 person that was hospitalized from covid.


if you go to the doctor from a symtom that the vaccine caused its not auto reported to vaers. you have to fill out the form.
Ooooh.... you personally know 4 people... STOP THE PRESSES!!!

Come back with real information
 

scavengerspc

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you are an enabler
Damn right, I am. A private business is free to do as they please. If we don't like it, we should take it public and organize. You sitting on your hands and lying on a forum is the definition of all talk, no action.
many studies that so called prove vaccines have never been harmful are funded by vaccine makers...
Well duh, many have been. But they hired fully independent research houses and yes, that is easily verified of their integrity.
I never said vaccines didnt help. but they also have hurt many many people.
No. No they have not.
follow the science now means who has the most money to push their studies.
Only with people like you. Please don't get those in reality caught up in your paranoia. Everybody is not out to get you. I just think you are less capable of putting up a factual rebuttal. That's your fault and nobody else.
when I personally know 4 people that were hospitalized from the vaccine... I know 1 person that was hospitalized from covid.
I hate to say this Bandit, but I think you are full of ****.
I have a member of my own family that is a CC Nurse that hasn't seen 4 people hospitalized because of the vaccine. Do you even........Never mind.

if you go to the doctor from a symtom that the vaccine caused its not auto reported to vaers. you have to fill out the form.
Absolutely, positively NOT true. Please just stop it.
Every COVID case is tracked exactly the same as any other medical record.

My God where do you get this crap?!
 
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