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Ultraman1966

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when I personally know 4 people that were hospitalized from the vaccine... I know 1 person that was hospitalized from covid.


if you go to the doctor from a symtom that the vaccine caused its not auto reported to vaers. you have to fill out the form.
I also know 2 people were had short stays in hospital due to the vaccine (wasn't a long stay in case you get any ideas) but no one who's had Covid. Why? Because when the entire population gets vaccinated in a short space of time, there will be issues that come out which normally occurs over a longer duration. Do you know the rate of adverse events for all of the dozens and dozens of vaccines we get from birth till early childhood?
All drugs and therapies come with a risk. The vaccine is the only reason why many countries have an intact healthcare system over this last winter. Unless you're a fan of rolling lockdowns and social distance measures?
 

sreams

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(y) (Y) In fact, yesterday, the percentage of COVID deaths that were unvaccinated went up to 97%.

And the percentage of COVID deaths that are obese and have other underlying conditions is about the same 97%.

A healthy 10 year old who is unvaccinated has nearly zero risk from COVID. The risk is so low that in some cases, the risk of adverse reaction to vaccination is about equal. It is possible to support the idea of vaccination, but not to support the idea of one size fits all. A targeted approach would have been far more appropriate.

 

sreams

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Absolutely, positively NOT true. Please just stop it.
Every COVID case is tracked exactly the same as any other medical record.

My God where do you get this crap?!

Read his comment again. He wasn't talking about COVID cases. He was talking about the reporting of potential vaccine adverse reactions.

I can tell you with quite a bit of certainty that my own doctor would not even entertain the idea that a symptom he observes might be caused by one of the mRNA vaccines. Even the medical community is subject to preconceived notions and bias. It is absolutely plausible and even likely that vaccine adverse reactions are underreported to a large degree.
 

scavengerspc

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And the percentage of COVID deaths that are obese and have other underlying conditions is about the same 97%.
I honestly don't know what to say to that. Are you claiming that survival rates are not the same for vaccinated people that are overweight? I swear I'm not being a ****, I just don't see what that has to do with it. There are variables such as weight, age and even gender. The 97% figure is an overall, and survivability for everyone is massively increased if vaccinated. So, if you are old or overweight dont get a vaccine that is safer than an asprin?
Read his comment again. He wasn't talking about COVID cases. He was talking about the reporting of potential vaccine adverse reactions.
That depends on what reporting you mean, but I can say with 100% confidence that such cases are reported if they see a Doctor or go to the hospital.

It is true however that if someone does not go get checked and eventually feels better, it may be years before it can be diagnosed. In that instance you are right, the book on that will be open for years, though no vaccine has been proven a danger years down the road. At least none that I'm aware of, so, you know, fingers crossed.

EDIT - Just curious now, but I still see mRNA getting thrown around alot. Did you know mRNA has nothing to do with our DNA?

 
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sreams

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I honestly don't know what to say to that. Are you claiming that survival rates are not the same for vaccinated people that are overweight? I swear I'm not being a ****, I just don't see what that has to do with it. There are variables such as weight, age and even gender. The 97% figure is an overall, and survivability for everyone is massively increased if vaccinated. So, if you are old or overweight dont get a vaccine that is safer than an asprin?

That depends on what reporting you mean, but I can say with 100% confidence that such cases are reported if they see a Doctor or go to the hospital.

It is true however that if someone does not go get checked and eventually feels better, it may be years before it can be diagnosed. In that instance you are right, the book on that will be open for years, though no vaccine has been proven a danger years down the road. At least none that I'm aware of, so, you know, fingers crossed.

EDIT - Just curious now, but I still see mRNA getting thrown around alot. Did you know mRNA has nothing to do with our DNA?

I honestly don't know what to say to that. Are you claiming that survival rates are not the same for vaccinated people that are overweight? I swear I'm not being a ****, I just don't see what that has to do with it. There are variables such as weight, age and even gender. The 97% figure is an overall, and survivability for everyone is massively increased if vaccinated. So, if you are old or overweight dont get a vaccine that is safer than an asprin?

That depends on what reporting you mean, but I can say with 100% confidence that such cases are reported if they see a Doctor or go to the hospital.

It is true however that if someone does not go get checked and eventually feels better, it may be years before it can be diagnosed. In that instance you are right, the book on that will be open for years, though no vaccine has been proven a danger years down the road. At least none that I'm aware of, so, you know, fingers crossed.

EDIT - Just curious now, but I still see mRNA getting thrown around alot. Did you know mRNA has nothing to do with our DNA?


Of course. I never said anything about mRNA having anything to do with DNA. I do understand that mRNA programs your cells to generate spike proteins that your immune system then defends against. No previous vaccine has instructed your body to generate spike proteins.

As to the topic of underlying conditions... the point is that maybe not every single person will benefit from vaccination in this case. When you bring up the fact that most people dying of COVID are unvaccinated, that sweeps under the rug the fact that nearly all deaths are among older people who have underlying conditions. What, specifically, is the argument for vaccinating a child with no underlying conditions? Especially now that we know that with current variants, vaccines do nearly nothing to stop the spread?
 

sreams

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They can catch it, they just have a much stronger natural defense.
But vaccinating the rug rats helps to prevent infection, therefore they don't become spreaders.
It has already been well established that vaccines have nearly zero impact on infection/transmission of the current variants. They may, in fact, contribute to increased spread... as they reduce symptoms but do not prevent infection. People who have reduced or no symptoms are much more likely to interact with the world and spread the disease.
 

captaincranky

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They may, in fact, contribute to increased spread... as they reduce symptoms but do not prevent infection. People who have reduced or no symptoms are much more likely to interact with the world and spread the disease.
Perhaps true, but they do prevent running up hospital bills from people extremely sick with covid. Those bills, which in turn, likely won't be paid within years, if at all. Which may in turn, prevent your next doctor's visit from costing multiples of the bill from your last visit.

So, basically what you're admitting to is, that if everyone is vaccinated, we can pass covid around with impunity, since we won't get gravely ill from it.

Which holds true, even if the transmission rates ARE higher.
 
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Squid Surprise

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It has already been well established that vaccines have nearly zero impact on infection/transmission of the current variants. They may, in fact, contribute to increased spread... as they reduce symptoms but do not prevent infection. People who have reduced or no symptoms are much more likely to interact with the world and spread the disease.
No it hasn't... feel free to provide some evidence of this. While the vaccines do not stop the transmission of Covid, all studies show that they still DO reduce transmission. Omicron is just so highly contagious that even if you are vaccinated, you will probably still catch it.

Virtually ALL studies show, however, that regardless of age, your immune response will be far more effective if vaccinated. So yes, even if you are a healthy young child, you are better off getting your shot!
 

scavengerspc

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It has already been well established that vaccines have nearly zero impact on infection/transmission of the current variants. They may, in fact, contribute to increased spread
Not only are you wrong, you are damn wrong. Again.
And I know you aren't a "proof" type, but you haven't answered where you get the things you say. And why do you preface what you are about to lie about with things like "It has already been well established"? You sound like tRUMP with his "and you know it" line of treating his fans like fools.

Anyway, I present, your enemy. The facts:


Since you like terms like "already established" I thought I would show some that actually are. From the article:

The vaccine helps prevent kids from getting COVID-19
The vaccine helps prevent or reduce the spread of COVID-19
Getting vaccinated for COVID-19 can help stop other variants from emerging


Read for more facts (sorry to use that facts word)
 

Dunkerton

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Not only are you wrong, you are damn wrong. Again.
And I know you aren't a "proof" type, but you haven't answered where you get the things you say. And why do you preface what you are about to lie about with things like "It has already been well established"? You sound like tRUMP with his "and you know it" line of treating his fans like fools.

Anyway, I present, your enemy. The facts:


Since you like terms like "already established" I thought I would show some that actually are. From the article:

The vaccine helps prevent kids from getting COVID-19
The vaccine helps prevent or reduce the spread of COVID-19
Getting vaccinated for COVID-19 can help stop other variants from emerging


Read for more facts (sorry to use that facts word)
If you were responding in 2020, I'd believe you. But we know so much more now. You and your covid worshipping religion are finished buddy. You're literally just vomiting whatever CNN says, and it's pathetic. How much do you get paid to shill on forums online? You should look up credible sources and reflect on just how wrong you are. It's over. Cope.
 

Squid Surprise

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If you were responding in 2020, I'd believe you. But we know so much more now. You and your covid worshipping religion are finished buddy. You're literally just vomiting whatever CNN says, and it's pathetic. How much do you get paid to shill on forums online? You should look up credible sources and reflect on just how wrong you are. It's over. Cope.
You KNOW so much more do you? Please feel free to share this newfound knowledge! Care to provide any evidence for your lies?
 

scavengerspc

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You should look up credible sources
I actually did just that. Sources. In the article from a month ago. It is literally right above your drivel. Squid Surprise challenged you to post proof. I suggest you accept. So guess what.

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sreams

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Perhaps true, but they do prevent running up hospital bills from people extremely sick with covid. Those bills, which in turn, likely won't be paid within years, if at all. Which may in turn, prevent your next doctor's visit from costing multiples of the bill from your last visit.

So, basically what you're admitting to is, that if everyone is vaccinated, we can pass covid around with impunity, since we won't get gravely ill from it.

Which holds true, even if the transmission rates ARE higher.
That goes directly back to my original point. The people ending up in hospitals are older, obese, and have multiple underlying conditions. They aren't healthy young people. So what do we accomplish by vaccinating a healthy ten year old?
 

sreams

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Not only are you wrong, you are damn wrong. Again.
And I know you aren't a "proof" type, but you haven't answered where you get the things you say. And why do you preface what you are about to lie about with things like "It has already been well established"? You sound like tRUMP with his "and you know it" line of treating his fans like fools.

Anyway, I present, your enemy. The facts:


Since you like terms like "already established" I thought I would show some that actually are. From the article:

The vaccine helps prevent kids from getting COVID-19
The vaccine helps prevent or reduce the spread of COVID-19
Getting vaccinated for COVID-19 can help stop other variants from emerging


Read for more facts (sorry to use that facts word)
Even Fauci has made it clear that, in light of Omicron, vaccines can only be expected to reduce severity:

fox9.com/news/fauci-omicron-may-infect-just-about-everybody-but-vaccinated-will-still-fare-better

But then, facts are not words in an article. They are the results of peer reviewed randomized controlled studies.
 
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Squid Surprise

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Facts are not words in an article. They are the results of peer reviewed randomized controlled studies.
So please provide some... because they all say the exact opposite of the lies you are sharing here...
That goes directly back to my original point. The people ending up in hospitals are older, obese, and have multiple underlying conditions. They aren't healthy young people. So what do we accomplish by vaccinating a healthy ten year old?
Because they still boost immune systems of children - and children, while unlikely to die CAN still die - and CAN still have serious long term conditions from Covid. Vaccinating them makes them better protected, and less likely to spread the disease.

Once again, if you disagree, please provide some EVIDENCE!!
 

captaincranky

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There is no hope for Trumpers and truckers. They were already lost.

The ignore button is a helluva drug....
I know right? Now they're taking a protest caravan to DC, to protest a mask mandate that's already brrn lifted. The nitwit they interviewed on the news said, "without us you won't have a supply chain". I guess that will get blamed on Biden too
 

captaincranky

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So what do we accomplish by vaccinating a healthy ten year old?
I think we should cancel polio vaccines for kidz too. That way, I can walk by laughing and piss on their iron lungs.

I mean we all know that covid is a "Democratic hoax", the "Great Pumpkin" said so.
 

sreams

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So please provide some... because they all say the exact opposite of the lies you are sharing here...

Because they still boost immune systems of children - and children, while unlikely to die CAN still die - and CAN still have serious long term conditions from Covid. Vaccinating them makes them better protected, and less likely to spread the disease.

Once again, if you disagree, please provide some EVIDENCE!!
You tell me I should "provide some" studies, and then you go on to make a sweeping claim about what "all" studies say.

Really?

Please post a single peer-reviewed randomized study that shows current vaccines to be effective at slowing the transmission of Omicron.
 

sreams

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I think we should cancel polio vaccines for kidz too. That way, I can walk by laughing and piss on their iron lungs.

I mean we all know that covid is a "Democratic hoax", the "Great Pumpkin" said so.

Not sure why you are making reference to a vaccine that is actually very effective among the group in question, and very effective at not just slowing, but stopping transmission.

Having two things that are both labeled as a vaccine does not mean those things operate the same way or should be administered in the same way.

I have not said a word about political parties or hoaxes. That is a blanket cop-out to avoid actual discussion.
 

Squid Surprise

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You tell me I should "provide some" studies, and then you go on to make a sweeping claim about what "all" studies say.

Really?

Please post a single peer-reviewed randomized study that shows current vaccines to be effective at slowing the transmission of Omicron.
Here are 2... as was stated earlier, they don't STOP transmission - but they do REDUCE it...

And since YOU are spouting stuff that goes against the scientific consensus... the onus is on YOU to provide evidence... still waiting :)


 

captaincranky

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Not sure why you are making reference to a vaccine that is actually very effective among the group in question, and very effective at not just slowing, but stopping transmission
Why don't you "research" how many in the medical profession have died from covid.

Whether it makes sense to you or not, "an ounce of prevention is still worth a pound of cure".

I'm one of the least likely people in the world to get covid, a bachelor, an orphan, an only child, a misanthrope, and a sociopath. I don't go to protests, waving confederate flags, or anything of the sort

But, I've been vaccinated and boosted (**). This frees my mind from worry, and allows me to devote my efforts to arguing with people here at Techspot. Besides, wearing a mask has become a sort of "custom". I like the freedom it gives me to, not bother carrying my vaccine card, not get strange looks, and maintain my privacy. My approach allows me to, "fly under the radar", so to speak.

But the truth is, I don't care who dies from covid, you, your kids, your mum, your granny, or anyone else, for that matter. I lack empathy for all humans See paragraph three.above..

(**) To borrow an old advertising slogan, "it takes the worry out of being close".
 

sreams

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Here are 2... as was stated earlier, they don't STOP transmission - but they do REDUCE it...

And since YOU are spouting stuff that goes against the scientific consensus... the onus is on YOU to provide evidence... still waiting :)


Neither of those studies cover Omicron.
 

sreams

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Why don't you "research" how many in the medical profession have died from covid.

Whether it makes sense to you or not, "an ounce of prevention is still worth a pound of cure".

I'm one of the least likely people in the world to get covid, a bachelor, an orphan, an only child, a misanthrope, and a sociopath. I don't go to protests, waving confederate flags, or anything of the sort

But, I've been vaccinated and boosted (**). This frees my mind from worry, and allows me to devote my efforts to arguing with people here at Techspot. Besides, wearing a mask has become a sort of "custom". I like the freedom it gives me to, not bother carrying my vaccine card, not get strange looks, and maintain my privacy. My approach allows me to, "fly under the radar", so to speak.

But the truth is, I don't care who dies from covid, you, your kids, your mum, your granny, or anyone else, for that matter. I lack empathy for all humans See paragraph three.above..

(**) To borrow an old advertising slogan, "it takes the worry out of being close".
The fact that getting vaccinated/boosted "frees your mind from worry" is part of the problem. Those who think they are unlikely to spread the current variant because they've been vaccinated are exactly those who will behave in such a carefree way that they will be more likely to spread current variants.
 
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