DoorDash reportedly in talks to acquire Instacart in $17 billion deal

[Shawn Knight]

In brief: DoorDash is reportedly in late-stage talks with Instacart to acquire the popular grocery delivery service as part of a deal valued at roughly $17 billion. An announcement could come as early as mid-week, sources said, who also warned that nothing has been finalized and the deal could still fall through.

Instacart was also recently tied to acquisition rumors with Uber, but sources say those talks are no longer active. It is unclear if Uber would try again if DoorDash comes up short.

Shares in DoorDash are up 2.61 percent on the news as of this writing, while Instacart's stock is down about the same percent. For reference, DoorDash has a market cap around $74.7 billion and Instacart is worth roughly $14 billion.

The potential buyout comes at a pivotal time for food delivery platforms. Gone are the boom days of pandemic ordering, and those that have survived this long now have to compete with rising labor costs, stricter regulations as it relates to employees / delivery drivers, and competition from heavyweight players like Amazon and Walmart.

As Reuters highlights, the deal would give Instacart access to DoorDash's vast delivery network and customer base. The outfit would also benefit from existing retail partnerships.

To be clear, the two platforms currently operate in similar but different categories. DoorDash specializes in restaurant/ fast food and convenience store delivery, while Instacart has traditionally focused on grocery delivery. Consolidation in the space could also be a win for consumers, as merging the services could result in one less monthly or annual subscription fee for those currently signed up to both services.

History has shown that consumers are willing to pay to automate and simplify certain aspects of their lives, and getting food delivered to your front door from the grocery store or from your favorite restaurant certainly qualifies. I have relied on grocery delivery service for a few years now, and not once have I missed the crowded aisles and long checkout lines at my local store.

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[NumberNine]

Suits get an island, customers get less options. The magic of mergers and acquisitions.

 

[Art C]

I found a better alternative to either option. The food is fresher and hotter, and it costs far less. It's called "drive to the restaurant and pick up your food."

 

[yRaz]

I found a better alternative to either option. The food is fresher and hotter, and it costs far less. It's called "drive to the restaurant and pick up your food."

that's a nice talking point you have there, but it ignores the issue. These services are a symptom of a problem, not a solution to it. These services are most popular in areas that lack public transportation. Car ownership in the US is at an all time low and if people don't eat, well, bad things happen. Restaurant sales are at an all time low, which means door dash and uber eats profits are down. They're buying Instacart because people are trying to save money by eating at home. Now, Instacart will get significantly more expensive because 1) Door Dash wants their $17b back and 2) insterest rates are some of the highest they have been in a VERY long time.

I also find it funny that Instacart is worth $14B but Doordash is offering $17 for it. And who do you think is going to pay for that? DoorDash doesn't care because they aren't going to pay for it with their money. They're going to use debt to pay for it because debt isn't taxable and then everyone elses loses because the cost of the service goes up.

Instacart isn't like ordering a Pizza, instarcart is used by some of the most vulnerable people in the US

 

[seeprime]

that's a nice talking point you have there, but it ignores the issue. These services are a symptom of a problem, not a solution to it. These services are most popular in areas that lack public transportation. Car ownership in the US is at an all time low and if people don't eat, well, bad things happen. Restaurant sales are at an all time low, which means door dash and uber eats profits are down. They're buying Instacart because people are trying to save money by eating at home. Now, Instacart will get significantly more expensive because 1) Door Dash wants their $17b back and 2) insterest rates are some of the highest they have been in a VERY long time.

I also find it funny that Instacart is worth $14B but Doordash is offering $17 for it. And who do you think is going to pay for that? DoorDash doesn't care because they aren't going to pay for it with their money. They're going to use debt to pay for it because debt isn't taxable and then everyone elses loses because the cost of the service goes up.

Instacart isn't like ordering a Pizza, instarcart is used by some of the most vulnerable people in the US

I'm in a rural area. Door Dash, and it's ilk, are everywhere. First responders and elderly use it. Yes, elderly people can use an app.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

that's a nice talking point you have there, but it ignores the issue. These services are a symptom of a problem, not a solution to it. These services are most popular in areas that lack public transportation. Car ownership in the US is at an all time low and if people don't eat, well, bad things happen. Restaurant sales are at an all time low, which means door dash and uber eats profits are down. They're buying Instacart because people are trying to save money by eating at home. Now, Instacart will get significantly more expensive because 1) Door Dash wants their $17b back and 2) insterest rates are some of the highest they have been in a VERY long time.

I also find it funny that Instacart is worth $14B but Doordash is offering $17 for it. And who do you think is going to pay for that? DoorDash doesn't care because they aren't going to pay for it with their money. They're going to use debt to pay for it because debt isn't taxable and then everyone elses loses because the cost of the service goes up.

Instacart isn't like ordering a Pizza, instarcart is used by some of the most vulnerable people in the US

That is a fascinating argument you have constructed.

Its wrong though. The most popular hotspots for these apps is not rural areas or small towns, its large cities with public transportation. Just because public transportation exists, does NOT mean that it is safe, or reliable, or goes where you need it, when you are available. Which is why cars are so popular, even in the mecca of public transportation Amsterdam, 20% of the population still uses a car daily.

It's amazing how all these populations survived all these problems long before Doordash and Instacart existed. Almost like these services are luxuries powered by the gig economy and not necessities.

Also, where are you finding "Car ownership in the US is at an all time low"? That is blatantly false. The number of US registered vehicles continues to climb with every passing year

https://www.moneygeek.com/resources/car-ownership-statistics/

And the rate of households without a car in 2023, 8.5%, is the lowest ever recorded.

How Many Cars Are in the U.S.? Car Ownership Statistics 2025 | The Motley Fool

Car ownership is on the rise, but how many cars are out there? Which states have the highest ownership rates? What about EVs? Read on to find the answers.

www.fool.com

Suits get an island, customers get less options. The magic of mergers and acquisitions.

Buy your own groceries. Ordering delivery is a luxury that you have to pay for.

 

[yRaz]

That is a fascinating argument you have constructed.

Its wrong though. The most popular hotspots for these apps is not rural areas or small towns, its large cities with public transportation. Just because public transportation exists, does NOT mean that it is safe, or reliable, or goes where you need it, when you are available. Which is why cars are so popular, even in the mecca of public transportation Amsterdam, 20% of the population still uses a car daily.

It's amazing how all these populations survived all these problems long before Doordash and Instacart existed. Almost like these services are luxuries powered by the gig economy and not necessities.

Also, where are you finding "Car ownership in the US is at an all time low"? That is blatantly false. The number of US registered vehicles continues to climb with every passing year

https://www.moneygeek.com/resources/car-ownership-statistics/

And the rate of households without a car in 2023, 8.5%, is the lowest ever recorded.

How Many Cars Are in the U.S.? Car Ownership Statistics 2025 | The Motley Fool

Car ownership is on the rise, but how many cars are out there? Which states have the highest ownership rates? What about EVs? Read on to find the answers.

www.fool.com

Buy your own groceries. Ordering delivery is a luxury that you have to pay for.

There is this wonderful thing called per-capita and it tells a much better story than just saying "number bigger".

If I said there were 2 empty houses for every homeless person I would technically be correct, but that kind of ignores the fact that the houses aren't in places where they would be useful.

This also ignores the brilliant city planning in the US. When I was in Orlando it was almost a mile drive to get to mall that I could see from the hotel parking lot.

Keep in mind I was talking specifically about instacart, not door dash and Uber eats which provide fundendemally different services. You don't call door dash to order a weeks worth groceries. Maybe a weeks worth of tacobell, but not groceries. Instacart is closer to an Amazon service for groceries and it is important you recognize that both services target different market.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

There is this wonderful thing called per-capita and it tells a much better story than just saying "number bigger".

If I said there were 2 empty houses for every homeless person I would technically be correct, but that kind of ignores the fact that the houses aren't in places where they would be useful.

This also ignores the brilliant city planning in the US. When I was in Orlando it was almost a mile drive to get to mall that I could see from the hotel parking lot.

Keep in mind I was talking specifically about instacart, not door dash and Uber eats which provide fundendemally different services. You don't call door dash to order a weeks worth groceries. Maybe a weeks worth of tacobell, but not groceries. Instacart is closer to an Amazon service for groceries and it is important you recognize that both services target different market.

Yes, per capita IS a useful statistic. Too bad you didnt bother using it, nor provided any statistics to support your argument. The per capita rate of car ownership is INCREASING, something you refute but cant prove in any capacity.

Your claim about "Car ownership in the US is at an all time low" is factually WRONG, I have supplied evidence to back up that rebuttal; showing that houshold car ownership is at its highest rate ever recorded, and instead of refuting it, you double down on your claims that city design is bad and start gaslighting about the technicalities about doordash not doing grocery delivery (which, hilariously, you are ALSO wrong about, took 2 seconds to google: https://www.doordash.com/en/p/grocery-delivery and for Uber: https://www.ubereats.com/near-me/grocery) instead of addressing anything brought up, likely because admitting you were wrong destroys your entire thesis.

Stop making yourself look like a fool. Stop getting all your statements from /r/****cars and do some actual research before making claims that are so easily debunked.

 

[GABulldog]

that's a nice talking point you have there, but it ignores the issue. These services are a symptom of a problem, not a solution to it. These services are most popular in areas that lack public transportation. Car ownership in the US is at an all time low and if people don't eat, well, bad things happen. Restaurant sales are at an all time low, which means door dash and uber eats profits are down. They're buying Instacart because people are trying to save money by eating at home. Now, Instacart will get significantly more expensive because 1) Door Dash wants their $17b back and 2) insterest rates are some of the highest they have been in a VERY long time.

I also find it funny that Instacart is worth $14B but Doordash is offering $17 for it. And who do you think is going to pay for that? DoorDash doesn't care because they aren't going to pay for it with their money. They're going to use debt to pay for it because debt isn't taxable and then everyone elses loses because the cost of the service goes up.

Instacart isn't like ordering a Pizza, instarcart is used by some of the most vulnerable people in the US

The issue isn't lack of public transportation, the issue started from the pandemic and the lockdowns. Since that time people got so use to using delivery services like Door Dash and Uber, they became more lazy. This is a fact, the Papa John's where I live, about 60-70% of all the orders are Door Dash. The rest are people picking up the food themselves. Most of the people picking up the food themselves are already out doing other things. They're not making a special trip to pick up the food.

Ordering from Instacart is not a way to save money eating at home. Door Dash already does offer grocery shopping as an option but not to the extent of Instacart. Instacart has access to more grocery businesses than Door Dash, which will be a benefit to Door Dash.

 

[yRaz]

Yes, per capita IS a useful statistic. Too bad you didnt bother using it, nor provided any statistics to support your argument. The per capita rate of car ownership is INCREASING, something you refute but cant prove in any capacity.

Your claim about "Car ownership in the US is at an all time low" is factually WRONG, I have supplied evidence to back up that rebuttal; showing that houshold car ownership is at its highest rate ever recorded, and instead of refuting it, you double down on your claims that city design is bad and start gaslighting about the technicalities about doordash not doing grocery delivery (which, hilariously, you are ALSO wrong about, took 2 seconds to google: https://www.doordash.com/en/p/grocery-delivery and for Uber: https://www.ubereats.com/near-me/grocery) instead of addressing anything brought up, likely because admitting you were wrong destroys your entire thesis.

Stop making yourself look like a fool. Stop getting all your statements from /r/****cars and do some actual research before making claims that are so easily debunked.

I decided to do a deep dive into the car thing because, well, saying something as fact and ignoring nuance pisses me off. Long story short, it's a long story. What I found is that the statistics vary wildly not just because there are different agencies measuring things differently with a wider problem of certain states classifying ebikes as vehicles when measuring ownership statistics and that really is where I had to put things down and stop looking. Because where I'm from, E-bikes are not measured in vehicle ownership. Car ownership rates are dropping because people are favoring e-bikes and scooters. One the other end of things there are places in the US where e-bikes are so prevelant that there is a large push to have them registered and be required to carry insurance. That's about as far down that rabbit hole that I want to go. I did find that in 2024 car ownsership was the highest it has been since 2007 but it has been trending downward since. Even then, those numbers didn't make sense to me.

So my interpretation of what I read is that car ownership is still dropping in favor of other forms of transportation.

But while doordash and ubereats do offer grocery services, that's not what most people are using them form. They looked at instacart and wanted in on the action. After a little more digging I found that ordering delivery from grocery stores, they use third party contractors(IE, ubereats and doordash drivers) to fulfill those orders without the person ordering them every being aware.

But lets get out of technicalities because I still am still arguing that grocery deliveries is not the same thing as ordering a pizza. The rise in grocery deliveries is indicitve of rising rates of poverty and a lack of access to transportation. Grocery deliveries, while not exclusively, are not coming from people out of laziness. They are using those services out of necessity.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

I decided to do a deep dive into the car thing because, well, saying something as fact and ignoring nuance pisses me off. Long story short, it's a long story. What I found is that the statistics vary wildly not just because there are different agencies measuring things differently with a wider problem of certain states classifying ebikes as vehicles when measuring ownership statistics and that really is where I had to put things down and stop looking. Because where I'm from, E-bikes are not measured in vehicle ownership. Car ownership rates are dropping because people are favoring e-bikes and scooters. One the other end of things there are places in the US where e-bikes are so prevelant that there is a large push to have them registered and be required to carry insurance. That's about as far down that rabbit hole that I want to go.

So again, no source for your claims, just nebulous "statistics" you wont share that just happen to support your thesis. Cite your sources. Unless there is a reason you dont want to....

So my interpretation of what I read is that car ownership is still dropping in favor of other forms of transportation.

Oh there it is. You either cant find sources that back up your claims and thus refuse to cite them to protect your argument, or the sources you CAN find are laughably incompetent or subjective and would never survive scrutiny.

Car ownership is not dropping. You have yet to prove it is. You have only provided anecdotal claims about "where you live". You see people with E-bikes and then assume, based on nothing, that all these people dont also own cars for transportation, and that this behavior exists everywhere in direct contradiction to evidence presenting otherwise. This is why annecdotes are not taken as evidence.

But while doordash and ubereats do offer grocery services, that's not what most people are using them form.

So again, here we have you being called out for being totally wrong, and you try to backpedal and change the argument while providing nothing to support your stance, which changed from "uber/doordash dont provide these services" to "well most people dont use them". Cite a source showing that "most people" dont use these parts of these services.

They looked at instacart and wanted in on the action.

Factually incorrect, they are already in the market. Buying Instacart gives them Instacart's user info and removes a competitor from the market, but doesnt let them "in on the action", because they already are. Something you have yet to disprove.

After a little more digging I found that ordering delivery from grocery stores, they use third party contractors(IE, ubereats and doordash drivers) to fulfill those orders without the person ordering them every being aware.

So you've proven yourself wrong a second time. Nicely done. These grocery stores are contracting out through the Uber and Doordash grocery services, which you claim most people dont use and dont have market presence.

But lets get out of technicalities

Because you cant get any of the details right LMFAO!

because I still am still arguing that grocery deliveries is not the same thing as ordering a pizza.

It is, both are luxuries that cost significantly more then doing it yourself and are not necessary for survival or even living comfortably. This insinuation that you "need" luxuries to survive is peak spoiled American behavior. For the small percentage that actually do need groceries delivered, there are dedicated services to fill those roles, you do not *need* doordash. Nobody does. It is a luxury convenience that adds cost to a necessity that people have convinced themselves they need.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure that all these people who claim to *NEED* groceries delivered would magically not starve to death if delivery ceased to exist.

The rise in grocery deliveries is indicitve of rising rates of poverty and a lack of access to transportation. Grocery deliveries, while not exclusively, are not coming from people out of laziness. They are using those services out of necessity.

And to finish it off we have 4 separate claims, none of which have any evidence to back them up and fly in the face of common sense. The elderly make up single digit percentages of Instacart's userbase, the majority are working class young people (18-24 and 25-40) who function just fine without delivery.

Instacart Statistics 2024: Users Demographics & Financials

Instacart serves over 25 million users every year. With 21% market share in the US, It managed to earn $3 billion in 2023. Know detailed statistics here.

grabon.com

No, grocery delivery is not a necessity, nor does it track with poverty (correlation is not causation, BTW). People have survived for decades without having delivery, without issue. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and clearly have an agenda to push about people being poor and cities not being walkable enough, so you shove it into your comments with absolutely nothing to back it up.

This is a truly incredible circus act you have put on.

 

[yRaz]

So again, no source for your claims, just nebulous "statistics" you wont share that just happen to support your thesis. Cite your sources. Unless there is a reason you dont want to....

Oh there it is. You either cant find sources that back up your claims and thus refuse to cite them to protect your argument, or the sources you CAN find are laughably incompetent or subjective and would never survive scrutiny.

Car ownership is not dropping. You have yet to prove it is. You have only provided anecdotal claims about "where you live".

So again, here we have you being called out for being totally wrong, and you try to backpedal and change the argument while providing nothing to support your argument. Cite a source showing that "most people" dont use these parts of these services.

Factually incorrect, they are already in the market. Buying Instacart gives them Instacart's user info and removes a competitor from the market, but doesnt let them "in on the action", because they already are. Something you have yet to disprove.

So you've proven yourself wrong a second time. Nicely done. These grocery stores are contracting out through the Uber and Doordash grocery services, which you claim most people dont use and dont have market presence.

Because you cant get any of the details right LMFAO!

It is, both are luxuries that cost significantly more then doing it yourself and are not necessary for survival or even living comfortably. This insinuation that you "need" luxuries to survive is peak spoiled American behavior. For the small percentage that actually do need groceries delivered, there are dedicated services to fill those roles, you do not *need* doordash. Nobody does. It is a luxury convenience that adds cost to a necessity that people have convinced themselves they need.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure that all these people who claim to *NEED* groceries delivered would magically not starve to death if delivery ceased to exist.

And to finish it off we have 4 separate claims, none of which have any evidence to back them up and fly in the face of common sense. The elderly make up single digit percentages of Instacart's userbase, the majority are working class young people (18-24 and 25-40).

Instacart Statistics 2024: Users Demographics & Financials

Instacart serves over 25 million users every year. With 21% market share in the US, It managed to earn $3 billion in 2023. Know detailed statistics here.

grabon.com

No, grocery delivery is not a necessity, nor does it track with poverty (correlation is not causation, BTW). People have survived for decades without having delivery, without issue. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and clearly have an agenda to push about people being poor and cities not being walkable enough, so you shove it into your comments with absolutely nothing to back it up.

This is a truly incredible circus act you have put on.

I went through about 20 pages of google nonsense trying to get data and if you want me to post every single link I clicked on and you can go through them yourself, fine. But I'm not putting that much work into an arguement and I'm not going to start making spreedsheets to to decipher data. I did try to come up with a single question that could correlate with this, that question was "what is the rate of uninsured drivers over the last 10 years" and I found this.

What Percentage of US Drivers Are Uninsured: 2026 Stats

Discover what percent of U.S. drivers are uninsured in 2026, with 15.4% lacking coverage, state comparisons, and key demographic insights.

maxdispatchservice.com

which the number is skyrocketing in the US, atleast until 2023 when they stopped tracking the statistics. So then I tried to figure out who the Insurance Research Council was as they seem to be the only people tracking these numbers and I couldn't find an answer. Even asking a few different AI's, they didn't come up with anything either. The closest thing to an answer I got was that they track sastistics for insurance companies

And I legitimately put a lot of work into this stuff, it's not coming from nowhere. It does piss off that I will put the work in and you just disregard what I'm saying by trying to blend lines and make everything grey. And where are your sources that make me incorrect? Taking me to an uber eats page for groceries doesn't show me any of the data that you apparently have that contradicts what I am saying. It is mighty bold of you to criticise me for not posting sources when you are doing exactly that.

 

[yRaz]

No, grocery delivery is not a necessity, nor does it track with poverty (correlation is not causation, BTW). People have survived for decades without having delivery, without issue. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and clearly have an agenda to push about people being poor and cities not being walkable enough, so you shove it into your comments with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Quick followup question, if you have no transportation and don't have a grocery store in walking distance, how do you suggest people get their groceries? have you ever tried to carry a weeks worth of groceries? I have from my car to the kitchen but I'm almost 2 miles from the store, I couldn't walk that back

 

[RudyBob]

I just finished making chicken soup with a tonnes of chicken. It will last me 10 meals. I didn't have to dash anywhere or have someone charge me a pantload to have it delivered and it's great stuff. Make your own food at home

 

[Theinsanegamer]

I went through about 20 pages of google nonsense trying to get data and if you want me to post every single link I clicked on and you can go through them yourself, fine. But I'm not putting that much work into an arguement and I'm not going to start making spreedsheets to to decipher data.

This is a common comeback from peopel who have done 0 research. They claim to have gone through an absurd abount of links to find their data and refuse to post *ANYTHING*.

I didnt ask for your search history. Nor did I ask for a spreadsheet. I asked you for a source to back up your claim. Which, if you found one, takes you 2 seconds to respond with. The fact you cant seem to find one, and that you went through 20 pages of google searches to find your data, suggests that you are talking out of your arse and cant actually find a source, so you obfuscate with redirections and verbose argument instead of actually proving anything.

I did try to come up with a single question that could correlate with this, that question was "what is the rate of uninsured drivers over the last 10 years" and I found this.

What Percentage of US Drivers Are Uninsured: 2026 Stats

Discover what percent of U.S. drivers are uninsured in 2026, with 15.4% lacking coverage, state comparisons, and key demographic insights.

maxdispatchservice.com

which the number is skyrocketing in the US, atleast until 2023 when they stopped tracking the statistics. So then I tried to figure out who the Insurance Research Council was as they seem to be the only people tracking these numbers and I couldn't find an answer. Even asking a few different AI's, they didn't come up with anything either. The closest thing to an answer I got was that they track sastistics for insurance companies

Oh hey look, a Motte and Bailey tactic! Classic misdirection!

First: Correlation doesnt mean causation. Second: the rate of uninsured drivers has nothing to do with the claim that has been disputed.

I DO find it interesting that you could take the time to find a source for this Motte and Bailey, but not the subject at hand. Hmmmm.....Really makes you think, eh?

And I legitimately put a lot of work into this stuff, it's not coming from nowhere. It does piss off that I will put the work in and you just disregard what I'm saying by trying to blend lines and make everything grey.

If you put in the work and dont want it disregarded, then post it instead of making excuses and crying.

And where are your sources that make me incorrect? Taking me to an uber eats page for groceries doesn't show me any of the data that you apparently have that contradicts what I am saying.

I have posted sources directly contradicting all of your claims. I will collate them here so you can read through them all while eating your box of crayons.

You claimed:

Car ownership in the US is at an all time low

and I responded with 2 sources, both of which show that US car ownership rates have continued to climb, and that households possessing no cars are at an all time low.

Also, where are you finding "Car ownership in the US is at an all time low"? That is blatantly false. The number of US registered vehicles continues to climb with every passing year

https://www.moneygeek.com/resources/car-ownership-statistics/

And the rate of households without a car in 2023, 8.5%, is the lowest ever recorded.

How Many Cars Are in the U.S.? Car Ownership Statistics 2025 | The Motley Fool

Car ownership is on the rise, but how many cars are out there? Which states have the highest ownership rates? What about EVs? Read on to find the answers.

www.fool.com

You then responded with nonsense about per capita, proving you did not read those sources.

Now, next, you decided to claim that Door Dash and Uber do not provide grocery services, as they are in fundamentally different markets:

Keep in mind I was talking specifically about instacart, not door dash and Uber eats which provide fundendemally different services. You don't call door dash to order a weeks worth groceries. Maybe a weeks worth of tacobell, but not groceries. Instacart is closer to an Amazon service for groceries and it is important you recognize that both services target different market.

I then responded with links to both relevant services' grocery tabs, showing you are wrong.

instead of refuting it, you double down on your claims that city design is bad and start gaslighting about the technicalities about doordash not doing grocery delivery (which, hilariously, you are ALSO wrong about, took 2 seconds to google: https://www.doordash.com/en/p/grocery-delivery and for Uber: https://www.ubereats.com/near-me/grocery)

Now, finally, you decide to claim that these services are a necessity. I provide a link showing that the primary market is working class young people, not the elderly or infirm for whom deliveries might actually be a necessity.

And to finish it off we have 4 separate claims, none of which have any evidence to back them up and fly in the face of common sense. The elderly make up single digit percentages of Instacart's userbase, the majority are working class young people (18-24 and 25-40) who function just fine without delivery.

Instacart Statistics 2024: Users Demographics & Financials

Instacart serves over 25 million users every year. With 21% market share in the US, It managed to earn $3 billion in 2023. Know detailed statistics here.

grabon.com

Now, you have yet to provide any sources for your claims, including:

Grocery delivery is a necessity
Grocery delivery popularity is caused by poverty
Car ownership is "at an all time low" as you claimed:

Car ownership in the US is at an all time low

The rate of doordash/uber users that use their grocery delivery services
Grocery delivery popularity being driven by a lack of transportation
Grocery delivery is most popular in areas with no public transportation
Grocery delivery is used by "the most vulnerable people", implied to be their primary market.

It is mighty bold of you to criticise me for not posting sources when you are doing exactly that.

Are you actually just trolling? There is no way you lack this much self awareness! I mean, Epson would love to achieve this level of projection!

If you have time to cry about people not taking you seriously, you have time to post some of those 20 pages of Google you supposedly crawled through. Do the work, or stop complaining when your write up, which would fail an elementary school writing assignment, gets torn apart.

 

[yRaz]

This is a common comeback from peopel who have done 0 research. They claim to have gone through an absurd abount of links to find their data and refuse to post *ANYTHING*.

I didnt ask for your search history. Nor did I ask for a spreadsheet. I asked you for a source to back up your claim. Which, if you found one, takes you 2 seconds to respond with. The fact you cant seem to find one, and that you went through 20 pages of google searches to find your data, suggests that you are talking out of your arse and cant actually find a source, so you obfuscate with redirections and verbose argument instead of actually proving anything.

Oh hey look, a Motte and Bailey tactic! Classic misdirection!

First: Correlation doesnt mean causation. Second: the rate of uninsured drivers has nothing to do with the claim that has been disputed.

I DO find it interesting that you could take the time to find a source for this Motte and Bailey, but not the subject at hand. Hmmmm.....Really makes you think, eh?

If you put in the work and dont want it disregarded, then post it instead of making excuses and crying.

I have posted sources directly contradicting all of your claims. I will collate them here so you can read through them all while eating your box of crayons.

You claimed:

and I responded with 2 sources, both of which show that US car ownership rates have continued to climb, and that households possessing no cars are at an all time low.


You then responded with nonsense about per capita, proving you did not read those sources.

Now, next, you decided to claim that Door Dash and Uber do not provide grocery services, as they are in fundamentally different markets:

I then responded with links to both relevant services' grocery tabs, showing you are wrong.

Now, finally, you decide to claim that these services are a necessity. I provide a link showing that the primary market is working class young people, not the elderly or infirm for whom deliveries might actually be a necessity.

Now, you have yet to provide any sources for your claims, including:

Grocery delivery is a necessity
Grocery delivery popularity is caused by poverty
Car ownership is "at an all time low" as you claimed:

The rate of doordash/uber users that use their grocery delivery services
Grocery delivery popularity being driven by a lack of transportation
Grocery delivery is most popular in areas with no public transportation
Grocery delivery is used by "the most vulnerable people", implied to be their primary market.


Are you actually just trolling? There is no way you lack this much self awareness! I mean, Epson would love to achieve this level of projection!

If you have time to cry about people not taking you seriously, you have time to post some of those 20 pages of Google you supposedly crawled through. Do the work, or stop complaining when your write up, which would fail an elementary school writing assignment, gets torn apart.

You are accusing me of being wrong but haven't provided any sources and are now just throwing insults at me. I barely want to talk to you at all. Give me sources of your claims and I will address them individually. If you just want to sling insults at me, fine. That's all you ever do. I do not wish to waste my time talking to you. If you want to have a real conversation instead of throwing around playground inults, I'm all for it. Until then, you're only making sweeping generalizations, over simplifying the subject and trying to redirect the narrative.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Quick followup question, if you have no transportation and don't have a grocery store in walking distance, how do you suggest people get their groceries?

This is a fascinating strawman argument. Lets have some fun!

Ok, so first we have the basic question, what if oyu have no way of getting to the store. Well, WHY? If you have no grocery store in walking distance, then I can think of three possible scenarios:

A) you live in a rural area
B) you live in a suburb separated from the city by a significant enough distance that there are no busses, effectively rural.
C) you live in an inner city ghetto with horrendous crime rates.

Both A and B require significant capital. Neither is cheap, B especially so, but even basic homes in rural areas cost well in excess of double the annual salary in the US. So why dont you have transportation? If it is a matter of affordability, then you need to stop being stupid and learn how to budget transportation into your life. There is no excuse for being able to afford a house in a rural area a significant distance away from the city but not a way to get to work, the store, the doctor, ece ece ece. How exactly do you work and live in these areas without transportation of any kind? Answer is you dont, and have screwed something up. Watch some Caleb Hammer or Dave Ramsey, stop blowing your finances on garbage, and be an adult. 18 year olds can figure out how to buy cars, you can too.

The way you get groceries, if you live in a rural area, is you buy a car. Learn to budget and get your life in order, there are no shortage of bums in rural areas that still manage to own, often, multiple cars. If you cant manage that then you have some serious life lessons to learn. If you are physically disabled or elderly and infirm, then you need to look into selling your rural abode and move into the city where the services you need are available, because if you cant drive then rural areas will be completely inaccessible to your daily life.

Now, if we are in option C, then why? If you work a job, why are you living in an urban warzone? There are plentiful cheap ghettos in inner cities that still have access to grocery stores accessible by bike, bus, or walking, only the absolute worst crime riddled disasters cant keep a Save-A-Lot or Winco or even a Dollar General open. If you dont have a job, well, you need to do some serious self-reflection on how badly you have screwed up your life, and you cant afford grocery delivery ANYWAY!

The only way this scenario plays out is if someone:
Has a job that makes money to pay for delivery
Said job pays enough for them to live in a house in a rural area
Soemhow does NOT pay enough for a car though
Said person realizes this and takes no responsibility or accountability for pursuing this house while having no way to get there
Said person cannot move or use a taxi or uber

OR:

Lives in an absolute urban shathole that has no stores or busses
Has no job to live in even a slightly better ghetto
can somehow still afford grocery delivery
Is somehow unable to stop delivery to afford a better ghetto

See how these conditions contradict?

have you ever tried to carry a weeks worth of groceries?
I have from my car to the kitchen but I'm almost 2 miles from the store, I couldn't walk that back

Yes. I walked to the grocery store several miles away, over an overpass, every week when I lived in my first apartment. I still do it now when I need just 1 or 2 things, minus the overpass. It was a great way to stay in shape when working an office job and kept miles off my car. Walking 2 miles to a store should not be a hinderance unless you are physically disabled or elderly and infirm. Or you can get a bike, and a grocery cart. This is how people do it in cities. These things are $25-40.



If my car broke down and I couldnt afford to fix it, after punching myself int he face for blowing my emergency fund on BS I would break these bad boys back out and use my local grocer again. And; if you ARE so physically disabled and/or infirm that you cant grocery shop, then you likely will not have the stamina to actually make meals either, hence why meal delivery services have existed for well over 50 years. You sign up for one of those, or you move into assisted living where meals are provided because you have bigger issues to worry about, frankly, and need to accept that independent living may be behind you.

 

[yRaz]

This is a fascinating strawman argument. Lets have some fun!

Ok, so first we have the basic question, what if oyu have no way of getting to the store. Well, WHY? If you have no grocery store in walking distance, then I can think of three possible scenarios:

A) you live in a rural area
B) you live in a suburb separated from the city by a significant enough distance that there are no busses, effectively rural.
C) you live in an inner city ghetto with horrendous crime rates.

Both A and B require significant capital. Neither is cheap, B especially so, but even basic homes in rural areas cost well in excess of double the annual salary in the US. So why dont you have transportation? If it is a matter of affordability, then you need to stop being stupid and learn how to budget transportation into your life. There is no excuse for being able to afford a house in a rural area a significant distance away from the city but not a way to get to work, the store, the doctor, ece ece ece. How exactly do you work and live in these areas without transportation of any kind? Answer is you dont, and have screwed something up. Watch some Caleb Hammer or Dave Ramsey, stop blowing your finances on garbage, and be an adult. 18 year olds can figure out how to buy cars, you can too.

The way you get groceries, if you live in a rural area, is you buy a car. Learn to budget and get your life in order, there are no shortage of bums in rural areas that still manage to own, often, multiple cars. If you cant manage that then you have some serious life lessons to learn. If you are physically disabled or elderly and infirm, then you need to look into selling your rural abode and move into the city where the services you need are available, because if you cant drive then rural areas will be completely inaccessible to your daily life.

Now, if we are in option C, then why? If you work a job, why are you living in an urban warzone? There are plentiful cheap ghettos in inner cities that still have access to grocery stores accessible by bike, bus, or walking, only the absolute worst crime riddled disasters cant keep a Save-A-Lot or Winco or even a Dollar General open. If you dont have a job, well, you need to do some serious self-reflection on how badly you have screwed up your life, and you cant afford grocery delivery ANYWAY!

The only way this scenario plays out is if someone:
Has a job that makes money to pay for delivery
Said job pays enough for them to live in a house in a rural area
Soemhow does NOT pay enough for a car though
Said person realizes this and takes no responsibility or accountability for pursuing this house while having no way to get there
Said person cannot move or use a taxi or uber

OR:

Lives in an absolute urban shathole that has no stores or busses
Has no job to live in even a slightly better ghetto
can somehow still afford grocery delivery
Is somehow unable to stop delivery to afford a better ghetto

See how these conditions contradict?

Yes. I walked to the grocery store several miles away, over an overpass, every week when I lived in my first apartment. I still do it now when I need just 1 or 2 things, minus the overpass. It was a great way to stay in shape when working an office job and kept miles off my car. Walking 2 miles to a store should not be a hinderance unless you are physically disabled or elderly and infirm. Or you can get a bike, and a grocery cart. This is how people do it in cities. These things are $25-40.

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If my car broke down and I couldnt afford to fix it, after punching myself int he face for blowing my emergency fund on BS I would break these bad boys back out and use my local grocer again. And; if you ARE so physically disabled and/or infirm that you cant grocery shop, then you likely will not have the stamina to actually make meals either, hence why meal delivery services have existed for well over 50 years. You sign up for one of those, or you move into assisted living where meals are provided because you have bigger issues to worry about, frankly, and need to accept that independent living may be behind you.

Making long winded posts like this take lots of time and effort to make. You could have disproven what I was trying to say with 2 sentences saying what I was wrong about and a link. Instead you give me walls of text expecting me to take hours of my time to give you a properly formatted replies with with everything cited. This isn't one of my daily reports or an essay in college. I'm asking you for a curtosity to justify the time and effort it would take to do what you're asking. This has already taken up hours of my day and we are no further than we were when we started. I'm sure you'll blame me for that.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

You are accusing me of being wrong but haven't provided any sources and are now just throwing insults at me. I barely want to talk to you at all. Give me sources of your claims and I will address them individually.

I have provided multiple sources that contradicted your claims. I even collated them for you. Everyone can see them. Here's photo evidence:



So I'm not sure what you intend to do by insisting that I havent done what you asked. I have. You still refuse to acknowledge it.

If you just want to sling insults at me, fine. That's all you ever do. I do not wish to waste my time talking to you. If you want to have a real conversation instead of throwing around playground inults, I'm all for it. Until then, you're only making sweeping generalizations, over simplifying the subject and trying to redirect the narrative.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge the links I have provided? You seem really offended; but you wont engage with anything I provide. I cant have a real conversation with someone who refuses to argue in good faith.