Dropbox CEO slams return-to-office mandates, compares them to outdated malls and theaters

The US government disagrees:

You can find the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) study on remote work and productivity here: https://www.bls.gov/productivity/notices/2024/productivity-and-remote-work.htm

It explores the relationship between total factor productivity (TFP) and remote work, showing a positive correlation between the two. The study found that a 1 percentage-point increase in remote workers was associated with a 0.08 percentage-point increase in TFP growth.

This information is more up to date and reliable than your sources, and your out of date sources note that even when workers productivity is less, the cost savings for the company overall outweighs any loss in productivity. Or in other works, companies can afford to hire more workers if they don't have to pay rent in an office building and that makes up for any gap in productivity.


From your sources:

"the Stanford paper points out that organizations might opt for a fully remote setup because, even after the drop in productivity, it can save money. Fully remote employees who do not require office space are cheaper, and they can be hired nationally or internationally"

"Raj Choudhury's (associate professor at Harvard Business School) research found that employees who worked in person 25% of the time were the most productive, he said, more than employees who worked more or fewer days in person.


So at best, companies that really want to maximize productivity would have to ask if paying rent in an office building is worth it to have employees come in 1 out of every 4 days. I think most companies would conclude it's not.

With that said, all of your sources are from 2023, and arguably business were still trying to figure out the best way to rebound from COVID norms and that in and of itself likely caused some productivity loss.

Here is a source from 2025 that says the opposite of your sources:

Here is another one:

the shift in findings likely comes from evolving workplace dynamics and improved remote collaboration tools. In 2023, many studies found that fully remote work led to communication challenges, weaker mentoring, and lower engagement, which hurt productivity. However, by 2025, companies had adapted; investing in better virtual collaboration tools, structured hybrid models, and AI-driven workflow optimization.

Additionally, early remote work studies often focused on short-term disruptions from the pandemic, while newer research examines long-term trends. As businesses refined their strategies, productivity stabilized, especially in hybrid work models.

Additionally, in populated areas remote workers make up ~30% of the work force. I don't know when the last time you drove in rush hour was, but how do you think dumping 30% more cars on the road is going to impact productivity?

Source: https://www.roberthalf.com/us/en/insights/research/remote-work-statistics-and-trends

And a simple Google search will find plenty more…

I'd also like to point out that I supplied EVIDENCE for what I stated... you provided nothing - other outdated and cherry-picked articles that you didn't even read.

Please don't bother me further with this if you're going to continue to argue from a place of disingenuous bias for a preferential outcome. The facts are on my side of the argument and in the end that is all that matters. I'm not going to run out of facts before you run out of steam, I promise.
My original post said that there were studies that showed BOTH…. I fail to see your issue here… the answer is “it depends”, which you seem to fail to grasp.
 
Folks feel quite strongly on this topic, it appears. The truth, however, is really banal.

Remote work existed before the pandemic, and it exists after. It is nearly impossible, without self reporting or compromised measurements, to determine with precision, if remote or office is best. This is obviously due to the very nature of the work and industry in question. At the end of the day, there will be a sizable percentage of positions and sectors that benefit well from remote, and nearly equally weighted, those that do not.

For me personally, having started remote some 13 years ago, it was a blessing. Cost of living near the job site was much higher, and positions of my type are not located closer, thus travel time was 1.5 to 2 hours one way (from traffic) prior to remote. Once remote, my well being went up dramatically, and found I was able to put in more time, fruitfully. My morning routine did not change, I could start earlier, and most meetings already did not take place in a conference room but on a conference line.

The level of productivity and indeed, trustworthiness, is still individually placed: we all know folks that need constant helicopter management to stay on task, and as such, would likely not be a good candidate for remote. And it is the businesses policies, like it or not, that matter. I would change companies to keep working remote but it is not my right to demand and I don’t blame a company for erecting such policies. Though I also firmly believe such policies limit the talent pool, which is detrimental to such company.

YMMV.
 
My original post said that there were studies that showed BOTH…. I fail to see your issue here… the answer is “it depends”, which you seem to fail to grasp.
Dude can you even read? I spelled it out clearly in my last comment. I explained why the trend shifted as well. There are not studies that show both ways, there are older studies that show a drop in productivity and newer ones that don't because companies got better at doing things remotely.

Seriously, do not quote me again until you go back and actually read my last comment.
 
We all know the real reason why CEOs want people to stop working from home. Because if all these empty office buildings stay empty, landlords and banks will lose a lot of money on property values. They're trying to keep property values artificially high.

My wife works for a large bank. Shortly after COVID the mayor came pleading to their CEO to force people back to the office because "downtown was suffering". So they did, RTO, and most of the top level people left over the next few months. This was also driven by the bank owning a giant 30 story building that was mostly empty.
 
I have 3 jobs , 1 being remote. In a capitalist economy I see both remote and in person as being the new normal. The company that can offer convenience/ improve moral will often improve productivity and thus improve efficiency/ profits. Some jobs can't be done remotely and some can. I just love the option of both. The hard worker will find a way to take advantage of all the opportunities available. Capitalism was never about 1 size fits all approach.
 
I'm not going to repeat myself of my opinion of which is better, work from home or in office.

This was the part of the article that stuck out to me, the most:
"You need a different social contract and to let go of control. But if you trust people and treat them like adults, they'll behave like adults. Trust over surveillance," he said at the time.
 
Dude can you even read? I spelled it out clearly in my last comment. I explained why the trend shifted as well. There are not studies that show both ways, there are older studies that show a drop in productivity and newer ones that don't because companies got better at doing things remotely.

Seriously, do not quote me again until you go back and actually read my last comment.
lol, you're just bitter because you see the world in black and white and don't like it when people point out the various shades of grey. And studies from 2023 are NOT outdated just because studies (from different people) in 2024 might disagree with them.

There IS a place where working remotely AND working in the office are superior - depending on the companies...
 
lol, you're just bitter because you see the world in black and white and don't like it when people point out the various shades of grey. And studies from 2023 are NOT outdated just because studies (from different people) in 2024 might disagree with them.

There IS a place where working remotely AND working in the office are superior - depending on the companies...
No.

I stated the facts clearly. You're just trying to start another argument with me.

Had you actually read what I posted, you would get it.
 
Realists never say "the data is irrelevant".
realists never say "never" :)
No.

I stated the facts clearly. You're just trying to start another argument with me.

Had you actually read what I posted, you would get it.
No, you stated SOME facts and some conjectures... and you didn't have any proof that negated what I (or the bunches of other people) said.

I understand that you don't like reality... but alas, here it is for you :)
 
realists never say "never" :)

No, you stated SOME facts and some conjectures... and you didn't have any proof that negated what I (or the bunches of other people) said.

I understand that you don't like reality... but alas, here it is for you :)
Your comments here are stupid. I just follow the facts. You're clearly just trying to start an argument.

Stop quoting me with your BS.
 
Your comments here are stupid. I just follow the facts. You're clearly just trying to start an argument.

Stop quoting me with your BS.
Except you don’t… you select SOME facts and ignore the rest… and saying “don’t quote me” while quoting me seems rather inane, no?
 
"We've also seen employees willing to sacrifice up to 15% of their wages in exchange for a more flexible work life."

I don't see it this way. I see it as: I require 15% more in exchange for a commute that costs me time and money.

If I have to commute then I require more money to offset that cost. It's not about sacrificing.
 
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