Elon Musk loses OpenAI trial after jury says he waited too long to sue

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What just happened? Elon Musk isn't accustomed to losing, but the world's richest man just felt the sting of defeat in his trial against OpenAI, CEO Sam Altman, and President Greg Brockman. A federal jury said that Musk had waited too long to file his suit, which accused the defendants of violating an agreement to keep OpenAI as a charitable non-profit organization.

Musk was one of the co-founders, backers, and initial board members of OpenAI. He claims that when he was approached by Altman and Brockman to help fund the startup in 2015, he was promised that it would be an open-source, not-for-profit company focused on safely creating artificial general intelligence (AGI) and countering the competitive threat from Google.

Musk's 2024 lawsuit alleged that Altman and Brockman turned OpenAI into a profit-driven, closed-source AI firm whose relationship with Microsoft helped enrich its executives and partners. Musk was seeking damages and wanted Altman and Brockman removed from OpenAI. As the lawsuit stated:

"OpenAI, Inc. has been transformed into a closed-source de facto subsidiary of the largest technology company in the world: Microsoft."

The jury, which had been serving in an "advisory" capacity, took less than two hours to rule against Musk after a three-week trial in Oakland. US District Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers agreed with the verdict and dismissed Musk's claims of breach of charitable trust and unjust enrichment as untimely.

Musk's problem was the three-year statute of limitations. The jury didn't have to decide whether OpenAI really abandoned its founding mission, but only whether Musk knew enough about the company's move toward a for-profit structure more than three years before he sued in 2024. Jurors decided he did. Microsoft also emphasized the timing issue after the verdict.

"The timeline in this case has long been clear," the company said, welcoming the decision to dismiss Musk's claims as "untimely."

That timing problem was especially damaging because Musk left OpenAI in 2018, the company created its capped-profit arm in 2019, and Microsoft's multibillion-dollar relationship with the ChatGPT maker was hardly a secret by the time he filed.

Musk is not taking the loss quietly, of course. Writing on X, he said the judge and jury "never actually ruled on the merits of the case," calling the decision "a calendar technicality." He added that he would appeal.

OpenAI has long argued that Musk's claims are baseless and part of a campaign against the company after he launched his rival AI startup, xAI. The ruling removes a legal headache for Altman's firm, though Musk's reputation for holding a grudge means this feud is unlikely to disappear soon.

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Excellent News!

Now OpenAi should counter suit Elon for defamation and damages.
Did you not read the article? Musk's suit didn't lose on merit, it was dismissed on a statute of limitations technicality. His claims remain true as ever: Altman took in billions representing OpenAI as a non-profit with a mission to distribute AI freely to the world, then once that money was safely in the bank, converted to a for-profit entity -- with him as the main beneficiary.
 
Did you not read the article? Musk's suit didn't lose on merit, it was dismissed on a statute of limitations technicality. His claims remain true as ever: Altman took in billions representing OpenAI as a non-profit with a mission to distribute AI freely to the world, then once that money was safely in the bank, converted to a for-profit entity -- with him as the main beneficiary.

A statute of limitations is not a "technicality". They're foundational to our legal system, so that people and companies can't get litigated into the ground over things that happened 'forever' ago, but bothered no one at the time.

If he wanted to sue then, he should have sued then. Obviously the shift to for-profit didn't bother him in 2019, and only began to bother him in 2024 when it became clear he wasn't going to share in those profits. If he wanted it to stay non-profit, he should have not left the company a full year before their change in structure. Or at least sued back in 2019, not 5 years after the fact.
 
A statute of limitations is not a "technicality". They're foundational to our legal system
Oops! All technicalities -- be they statute of limitations, improper venue, lack of jurisdiction, etc -- are foundational to our legal system. They're still technicalities -- as opposed to losing a case on the merits of the evidence.

If he wanted to sue then, he should have sued then. Obviously the shift to for-profit didn't bother him in 2019
Altman claimed in 2019 that the for-profit venture was an entirely distinct entity, but over the years they have become increasingly intertwined. When exactly did they become indistinguishable? It wasn't 2019.
 
It's terrible how difficult life has been for the richest man in the world and yet here I am without a care in the world. Kinda makes me feel guilty.
 
Excellent News!

Now OpenAi should counter suit Elon for defamation and damages.

I'm assuming that must be sarcasm?? But, if by some chance it's not, that would be a very bad move. At that point OpenAI would be opening itself up to the very thing they got dismissed on a "Calendar Technicality".
 
I'm assuming that must be sarcasm?? But, if by some chance it's not, that would be a very bad move. At that point OpenAI would be opening itself up to the very thing they got dismissed on a "Calendar Technicality".
Are you saying that OpenA.I wasn't affected negatively with all the press, and lawyers costs inflicted on them by a Elon Musk?...I do see grounds for a counter suit.
 
Are you saying that OpenA.I wasn't affected negatively with all the press, and lawyers costs inflicted on them by a Elon Musk?...I do see grounds for a counter suit.
Learn the laws of the country you live in. "Bad press" is only actionable if the allegations are false, and defendants in civil suits only recover their legal fees in certain cases, such as a suit filed fraudulently or frivolously, which was -not- the grounds under which this one was dismissed.
 
May this be a lesson to everyone that if you believe your rights (or property) have been violated, never sit on it for years.
 
So murder has no status of limitation, but crooks who damage the entire world are all cleared after just 3 years. Nice! NOT!

The three-year statute of limitation kinda surprised me. I think a minimum of five years would be appropriate in civil cases like this, IDK...
 
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Oops! All technicalities -- be they statute of limitations, improper venue, lack of jurisdiction, etc -- are foundational to our legal system. They're still technicalities -- as opposed to losing a case on the merits of the evidence.


Altman claimed in 2019 that the for-profit venture was an entirely distinct entity, but over the years they have become increasingly intertwined. When exactly did they become indistinguishable? It wasn't 2019.
Sure. A technicality in the way "gravity" is a technicality when a house of cards collapses. It wasn't lost on the "merit" of how the cards were stacked, just under the "technicality" of gravity.

If you don't have legal standing, you don't have legal standing. End of story. I am sure he will appeal, and I am sure he will run into the same "technicality": no legal standing due to the statute of limitation expiring for him to file a case.
 
Sure. A technicality in the way "gravity" is a technicality when a house of cards collapses. It wasn't lost on the "merit" of how the cards were stacked, just under the "technicality" of gravity.

If you don't have legal standing, you don't have legal standing. End of story. I am sure he will appeal, and I am sure he will run into the same "technicality": no legal standing due to the statute of limitation expiring for him to file a case.
Endymio is right on this one. Dismissing this on the grounds that it's past the statute of limitation was a mistake. The act being litigated did not happen in 2019 (when OpenAI first announced for-profit subsidiaries), it happened years later after the launch of ChatGPT (in late 2022) when it became clear the entire company was gearing for a switch to a for-profit model, particularly when they changed to a for-profit (sort of, a "public benefit corporation") in december 2024. Claiming it was past the statute of limitation because "it happened in 2019" is a misunderstanding of the claim Musk is making, and quite likely to be overturned in an appeal.

That doesn't mean Musk's argument is correct or that he will win. Just that this particular technicality used to dismiss it, in this case, is wrong and does not apply. The subject of the lawsuit did not happen in 2019.
 
Are you saying that OpenA.I wasn't affected negatively with all the press, and lawyers costs inflicted on them by a Elon Musk?...I do see grounds for a counter suit.
You realize that OpenAI then have to prove that everything Elon Musk said was untruthful? Any statements that were proven to be true would essentially be an admission of guilt by OpenAI. OpenAI losing a defamation case against Musk would open them up to further lawsuits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law
 
Did you not read the article? Musk's suit didn't lose on merit, it was dismissed on a statute of limitations technicality. His claims remain true as ever: Altman took in billions representing OpenAI as a non-profit with a mission to distribute AI freely to the world, then once that money was safely in the bank, converted to a for-profit entity -- with him as the main beneficiary.
The operative word is lost. The statute of limitations is standing in his way and legal experts don't think his appeal has a chance because of the statute of limitations.

If Musk had, by some miracle of fate, won, what were his plans? Enrich himself?
 
"Elon Musk loses OpenAI trial after jury says he waited too long to sue"

The Musketeer became a Stooge...!
 
Sorry why the fcuk did the stup!d Judge allow it to proceed to trial at all if it was beyond the statute of limitations. What a effing waste of time and taxpayers money for a foregone conlcusion. Judge should be sacked for not throwing the suit out in the first place.
 
Sorry why the fcuk did the stup!d Judge allow it to proceed to trial at all if it was beyond the statute of limitations. What a effing waste of time and taxpayers money for a foregone conlcusion. Judge should be sacked for not throwing the suit out in the first place.
You fail to understand the law. On financial fraud cases, the statute of limitations starts not when the fraud occurred, but when it was discovered. The jury had to rule on when specifically did the public learn the charity OpenAI and the for-profit OpenAI become indistinguishable. Altman's explanations of the interlinking workings of the two have changed over the years.
 
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