Elon Musk wants Tesla to cut 10% of jobs, pause all hiring over his 'super bad feeling'...
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Endymio
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So? That red ink was expected. Amazon ran losses for twenty years before turning a profit. This isn't 1903 any longer. Some firms need a large critical mass to become viable; they intentionally eschew profits in favor of rapid growth to reach that point.
Musk does what he does. He's a Twitter user and Twitter users' just amplify their thoughts at the given moment. Tesla would remain especially vulnerable to a downturn until the prices of EVs come down, so one would expect them to be very cautious about these things.
I wonder more about the people who hang on every word he types...
I wonder more about the people who hang on every word he types...
That's an entirely different question. Yes, when it comes to trucks, Tesla has nothing on anybody. The Cybertruck will be the Edsel of e-Trucks.
Also, if you ask someone what their first electric car will be, Tesla probably isn't the most common answer, due to high cost. It will be probably be something like Nissan Leaf. But I still think people will say Tesla is one of the best e-cars out there today.
Musk is all over the news, whether it's a failed Tesla auto-driver, space flight or whatever. I don't watch a lot of "commercial" TV, so I don't see the barrages of TV car commercials. Still, the Hyundai is new. First year, correct? So I doubt that it's as well known to the average person as is Tesla. As I said, not saying Tesla is better, it has first-mover advantage and has been around longer than the Hyundai electric. Simple marketing math.
captaincranky
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No, it's part of the same issue. With all the major manufacturers throwing their hats into the ring as it were, Musk has good reason to worry. With brand recognition being paramount among consumers, Ford, Chevy, Dodge, and GMC will be at the forefront of consumers minds when they take that big leap into their first EV.
Musk doesn't advertise, has closed many Tesla dealers, and (I think) doesn't have stock that a consumer can, "impulse buy", and drive home. (I mat be wrong about this). Perhaps I should take a bath, walk into a Tesla dealer, and pretend to be a customer),
So,(at one time), if you asked the "man on the street", what's the best car, you'd quite likely get "Cadillac" for an answer. That doesn't mean he (or she) would be buying one, that was true, or could even afford it. It just means the ad hype has done it's job.
As I said, Tesla doesn't advertise OTA. But Hyundai is advertising the living sh!t out of their plug in hybrid. IMO, this is the best idea ever. You get all the advantages of a full electric, and can't get stuck for lack of a charging station. It's the best solution so far in the push to wean customers off ICE propulsion. With the ad money they're investing in it, you'd think it's been around for decades.
Back to topic, Musk's self centered self serving layoff announcement, could easily turn into a self fulfilling prophesy
It takes raw ballz to walk out on a stage and try to convince people that he's doing this "for their own good". This a**hole's monumental ego probably arrives at a room a half hour before he does.
Which begs the question, where will these layoffs be happening? Most likely not in China. And as for the cowboy hat, the smarmy pr!ck is pandering to, of all people, Ted Cruz (**), since Musk has left California for Texas, to suck up whatever tax breaks he can cull from the Lone Star State.
(**) The fourth biggest piece of sh!t in American politics. Currently my ranking is: 1: Trump. 2: Ron DiSantis. 3: Mitch McConnell, and last, but certainly not the smelly least, Ted Cruz.
captaincranky
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Like dude, it never left, and it's getting worse by the week.
Crinkles
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It stays low long enough to come back and infect everyone who's between vaccinations. Covid may kill us all, Cranky.
Endymio
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Utter absurdity. If you can find one single individual in the United States over the age of nine who doesn't recognize the Tesla brand, I'll give you a million dollars cash and an overnight date with Gal Gadot.
Even worse for your argument is that several million people have already taken that "big leap" -- more than 5% of all vehicles now sold are EVs -- and overwhelmingly they choose Tesla. Tesla's sold more EVs than all other manufacturers combined, and the Tesla Model Y and Model 3 were the two top-selling cars in the US last quarter. Not the top-selling EVs, but the top selling cars.
wiyosaya
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Typical Musk BS that he then walks back. https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/musk-says-tesla-total-headcount-increase
IMO, people should just ignore Musk.
IMO, people should just ignore Musk.
captaincranky
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Neither of which you likely have access to, or any remote likelihood of being able to provide
captaincranky
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In addition to being a misanthrope, a psychopath, a bachelor, an orphan, and an only child 73 years of age with no immediate family, who's vaccinated and double boosted, it's really going to have to work at killing,me.
All truthful kidding aside, I still think that SARS-2 is absolutely the most clever implementation of germ warfare ever conceived by man.
I wreaked havoc on the US economy, will likely precipitate the bankruptcy of numerous hospitals, After all, how many of these a**holes who refuse to get vaccinated, will eventually ever be able to pay for those 1 to 2 month plus hospital.stays? I'd put the number at zero to none.
See, you had to get me started, didn't you?
You can bet if this becomes.a yearly vaccination protocol, I'll be at my trusty Walmart ASAP with my sleeve already roiled up.
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ID10T
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I wonder if the MIC has thoroughly examined the consequence of pushing these extremes on both sides... id wager not and imagine this rift they are creating for short term benefit will end up being catastrophic for everyone in the long run.
The thing about lies and bullshit is eventually even those who fabricated them in the first place become unaware of the falsehood and actually start to believe it themselves.
A society that cannot even agree on the most fundamental of truths is doomed, and the current world leadership seems hell bent on telling people whatever they want to hear or FEAR to get them to do what they want, to hell with truth and decency.
The thing about lies and bullshit is eventually even those who fabricated them in the first place become unaware of the falsehood and actually start to believe it themselves.
A society that cannot even agree on the most fundamental of truths is doomed, and the current world leadership seems hell bent on telling people whatever they want to hear or FEAR to get them to do what they want, to hell with truth and decency.
wiyosaya
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An interesting take on this - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-tesla-job-cuts-did-damage-to-his-credibility
Musk and his perpetually flapping mouth and gas releases. He is quickly relegating himself to the annals of obscurity, IMO.
Musk and his perpetually flapping mouth and gas releases.
He is quickly relegating himself to the annals of obscurity, IMO.
Endymio
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It's rare to find a reporter so colossally incompetent to debunk their own article within the article itself -- but you managed to find one. The initial Reuters story that Hull quotes -- link in her own article --notes that Musk states that cuts would be to overstaffed areas of salaried employees only; Tesla's overall headcount would increase. So her claims of a "complete 180" rest on the difference between a small cut of an internal company email versus a public tweet that staffing would remain "fairly flat". Talk about underwhelming.
Her claims that Musk is "trying to renege" on the Twitter deal are equally specious -- all corporate purchases are contingent upon the financial transparency. Musk demanded it, and Twitter -- finally, today -- agreed to provide it.
It doesn't take much insight to see the Birkenstock-wearing Dana Hull at her Bloomberg office, venting snowflake rage at Musk's political views by penning borderline-libelous poison pen articles against him.
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Last1Standing
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Every cited establishment that wiyosaya sources are either far-left liberals that work for these establishments (e.g. Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, etc. at Fox for decades fueling their venom before they were run off aka so-called resigned
) and especially like the rejects from The Verge, Engadget, Kotaku, PCGamers, etc. that ALL works for Bloomberg, CNN, NYT WAPO, etc. now, or antagonists that hates free speech.I am sure that this is only by coincidence, though. /s
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Bluescreendeath
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Every cited establishment that wiyosaya sources are either far-left liberals that work for these establishments (e.g. Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, etc. at Fox for decades fueling their venom before they were run off aka so-called resigned
I am sure that this is only by coincidence, though. /s
So anybody who works for Fox and leaves/resigns is somehow a far left liberal to you? You think Bill O'Reilly is a far left liberal too?
I hope you don't think Trump is actually a conservative.
AlaskaGuy
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Thank god the vaxxed with their 20 boosters don't get covid.
Last1Standing
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Uhmmm... Bill was fired aka forced out/resigned for violating women. Sure, that is the same as Chris and Shepard's outsting. /s
Bluescreendeath
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Chris Wallace was such a far left wing liberal that they chose him to moderate the presidential debates TWICE in 2016 and 2020 and was praised by both sides for his performance. Wow, what a far left wing nutjob if both sides praised him. /sUhmmm... Bill was fired aka forced out/resigned for violating women. Sure, that is the same as Chris and Shepard's outsting. /s
As for "ousting," according to you, if you voluntarily resign for another job, then that means you actually got fired? Wow, I got fired twice in the last 5 years without knowing it because I put my 2 weeks notice in! /s
Bluescreendeath
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The people who get 20+ booster shots are either dumb (it's common knowledge at this point that vaccination for any disease has never and will never give you 100% immunity), crazy, or are trying to profit from selling their vaccination cards like the guy who got 90+ boosters.
Last1Standing
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Wallace was Fox's senior journalistChris Wallace was such a far left wing liberal that they chose him to moderate the presidential debates TWICE in 2016 and 2020 and was praised by both sides for his performance. Wow, what a far left wing nutjob if both sides praised him. /s
As for "ousting," according to you, if you voluntarily resign for another job, then that means you actually got fired? Wow, I got fired twice in the last 5 years without knowing it because I put my 2 weeks notice in! /s
at that time, so sure, do not give that honour to your senior staff. /s
Endymio
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One question. What color is the sky in your world?
SEP 30, 2020: "Chris Wallace's debate performance met with swift blowback: 'This is a Get Trump fest' ... Conservatives panned Chris Wallace's moderation of Tuesday's presidential debate after several interruptions from him ... Brian Kilmeade, Wallace's colleague at Fox, asked why Wallace let the Democratic nominee interrupt but not Trump, writing, "Why is @JoeBiden allowed to interrupt? @realDonald Trump is not."
.. Harmeet Dhillon, a prominent Republican lawyer, called Wallace a "disgrace" ...
... Conservative filmmaker and author Dinesh D'Souza ripped Wallace over his interventions, arguing it wasn't his job to "start throwing punches at one of the two combatants."....
... Juanita Broaddrick, who accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual assault, called for Wallace to be banned from moderating any further debates....
...Greg Gutfeld, tweeted that it was "not a good look" that Wallace laughed along along with Biden. ...
.. The criticism of Wallace's performance wasn't limited to right-leaning commentators. Journalist and former Hillary Clinton campaign co-chairman Yashar Ali said Wallace was "not doing a good job,"...."
AlaskaGuy
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'Chris Wallace was praised by both sides' ... and what planet was that on.Chris Wallace was such a far left wing liberal that they chose him to moderate the presidential debates TWICE in 2016 and 2020 and was praised by both sides for his performance. Wow, what a far left wing nutjob if both sides praised him. /s
As for "ousting," according to you, if you voluntarily resign for another job, then that means you actually got fired? Wow, I got fired twice in the last 5 years without knowing it because I put my 2 weeks notice in! /s
Bluescreendeath
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Quick question: What country did you live in, and did you actually watch the debates? Something tells me you didn't.
Biden and Trump were both talking over each other and it turned into a free for all. The real criticism wasn't that Wallace was biased for either person, but that he couldn't control either candidate. That's why both Dems and Repubs criticized him for that in 2020.
He was brought back for 2020 because he did a good job in 2016, but he couldn't control the candidates in 2020.
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